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57 percent of Republicans think 176,000 coronavirus deaths (and counting) is acceptable. Holy shit. (Original Post) demmiblue Aug 2020 OP
K&R BlueJac Aug 2020 #1
Contemporary Republicanism is a mental disorder. marmar Aug 2020 #2
Yes, it is. lonely bird Aug 2020 #22
Don't forget the decades of extremist propaganda dlk Aug 2020 #60
And seriously, a death cult. ananda Aug 2020 #35
Exactly what I've been saying also... Illumination Aug 2020 #52
This is a small number when you consider how many have left the Republican party. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #3
That 57% haven't been personally affected. tanyev Aug 2020 #4
Only acceptable because caused by tRump. marybourg Aug 2020 #5
Not to worry some that 57% will not be around by the election Botany Aug 2020 #6
...as long as they think the deaths are mostly minority and immigrants, it's acceptable! Sancho Aug 2020 #7
Don't forget the elderly mtngirl47 Aug 2020 #23
...if the elderly are folks who want to protect SS and medicare - absolutely! Sancho Aug 2020 #31
Amen Larissa Aug 2020 #66
Yep...the Archie Bunker method... Sancho Aug 2020 #73
Rush Limbaugh still compares it to the flu. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #8
I have no doubt those same 57 percent.... Spazito Aug 2020 #9
20% is still 1 in 5 Americans, what a shame 1 of 5 think people dying is OK KS Toronado Aug 2020 #39
I totally agree, they are the same kind of people the Nazis depended on... Spazito Aug 2020 #45
OUCH, you are correct, what will dumpie tell his 20% to do after he loses the election? KS Toronado Aug 2020 #55
33% of the independents think so too and 10% of dems samsingh Aug 2020 #10
Maybe they think... Blue_playwright Aug 2020 #42
Independents are hardly a monolithic group JHB Aug 2020 #54
Many Independents are Partisans and pretty much voter like members of a party JI7 Aug 2020 #82
I'm speechless. I am literally speechless... AmyStrange Aug 2020 #11
Keep in mind, these are generally the same people who think PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2020 #12
All these Dupes were and are Wellstone ruled Aug 2020 #13
Without Fox Trump would be toast inside Twp weeks. Protestors should be at Murdoch's door. Pepsidog Aug 2020 #29
and sinclair media. AllaN01Bear Aug 2020 #34
Murdoch and Sinclair Wellstone ruled Aug 2020 #49
57% still think it's fine because it has not affected them or their families personally. Texin Aug 2020 #14
every repuke I have had the misfortune to know had zero empathy. nt yaesu Aug 2020 #15
But Benghazi malaise Aug 2020 #16
Compassion has no place Chainfire Aug 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chainfire Aug 2020 #18
May each and every one of those who said these deaths are acceptable.contract a fatal case of niyad Aug 2020 #19
Me too. Pepsidog Aug 2020 #26
Add me to the list BunnyMcGee Aug 2020 #46
If it's okay for other folks... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #58
The GOP has become the Party of Depraved Indifference To Human Life so it's no surprise the majority onetexan Aug 2020 #20
I just cannot grasp the import of these numbers. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #21
Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters' StarryNite Aug 2020 #24
Disgusting. Pepsidog Aug 2020 #25
They protested against fake "death panels" EleanorR Aug 2020 #27
EleanorR, that a great insight, thank you. KS Toronado Aug 2020 #41
GOP: two ticks away from being a... LudwigPastorius Aug 2020 #28
Tell them they're next. bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #30
their response reflects dear leader ," it is is what it is " AllaN01Bear Aug 2020 #32
Cold-hearted SOBs. Sneederbunk Aug 2020 #33
A lot of right wingers view poll questions as loyalty tests. You give the "right" answer RockRaven Aug 2020 #36
After 3,000 deaths on 9/11 Bush launched 2 wars & spent $trillions Martin Eden Aug 2020 #37
That's a great way of putting it. BunnyMcGee Aug 2020 #48
Many of them would answer Martin Eden Aug 2020 #61
Yes. And both wars were against the wrong countries. raging moderate Aug 2020 #65
GW Bush is a war criminal Martin Eden Aug 2020 #71
Knowing a lot of Republicans nevergiveup Aug 2020 #38
Not thrilled with the way the question Is framed TimeToGo Aug 2020 #40
Someone tell me that if Trump stays in power, that he will not try to create his own "master race" DSandra Aug 2020 #43
How many of the 2 that died of Ebola were acceptable when Obama handled that pandemic? keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #44
It is all fine & good until it is their Grammy23 Aug 2020 #47
Not surprised in the least by Republican responses richdj25 Aug 2020 #50
Biden should win by a landslide..........IF.............we get out the vote. PatrickforO Aug 2020 #51
What this chart says to me is different. PurgedVoter Aug 2020 #53
My Cousin is a conservative and tested positive for Covid a few months ago. The Animator Aug 2020 #56
He could have infected his parents, or someone else's parents FakeNoose Aug 2020 #72
Oh I'm well aware. The Animator Aug 2020 #74
43% not acceptable is a big number. pwb Aug 2020 #57
It's not all that far from human sacrifice gulliver Aug 2020 #59
The Aztecs were known for human sacrifice DBoon Aug 2020 #78
But notice that Republicans want to make it about "sacrificing" for the good of the economy. gulliver Aug 2020 #79
So, 43% DON'T find it acceptable, or they "don't know?" dchill Aug 2020 #62
Of course they do. moondust Aug 2020 #63
Believing what they're told n/t tom_kelly Aug 2020 #64
1/3 of the country is comprised of genocidal criminals. roamer65 Aug 2020 #67
... progressive nobody Aug 2020 #68
The number of deaths is irrelevant to them. kentuck Aug 2020 #69
Do the math. A little over 28% of voters are registered Republican tinrobot Aug 2020 #70
They read it as: Do you think you are still not an idiot for supporting Trump? LiberalLovinLug Aug 2020 #75
Exactly right - that's why these polls FakeNoose Aug 2020 #77
It's the same thing because they are still ok with the deaths JI7 Aug 2020 #81
They're the 'pro-life' party. Mc Mike Aug 2020 #76
It's a Trump Cult JI7 Aug 2020 #80

lonely bird

(2,941 posts)
22. Yes, it is.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:51 AM
Aug 2020

It is the end result of cognitive dissonance. The mind seems to collapse and abandon critical thinking due to holding directly opposing positions as “truth”.

Just my opinion.

dlk

(13,247 posts)
60. Don't forget the decades of extremist propaganda
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:25 PM
Aug 2020

Our brains are wired to believe things we hear repeatedly. The damage incurred by right wing propaganda cannot be underestimated. Tribalism is toxic!

Sancho

(9,205 posts)
7. ...as long as they think the deaths are mostly minority and immigrants, it's acceptable!
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:08 AM
Aug 2020

...and that is their belief.

Sancho

(9,205 posts)
31. ...if the elderly are folks who want to protect SS and medicare - absolutely!
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:02 PM
Aug 2020

...letting them die off is ok!

Larissa

(793 posts)
66. Amen
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:49 PM
Aug 2020

You've nailed it. As President Lyndon Johnson's words observed:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
8. Rush Limbaugh still compares it to the flu.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:11 AM
Aug 2020

That's what I saw pretty recently, anyway.

They act like the rate of death and complications are comparable between Covid-19 and recent flu outbreaks, and keep pushing the idea that Covid-19 is a political ploy to "make Trump look bad".

Unbelievable that anyone could even imagine the possibility of such a grand conspiracy, involving people across the whole world, but they're stupid.

Spazito

(55,500 posts)
9. I have no doubt those same 57 percent....
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:16 AM
Aug 2020

would find Trump shooting someone on Fifth Avenue as acceptable as well. They find anything Trump does or doesn't do is A okay with them.

I think only 37% of Americans identify as repubs so we are talking about 57% of 37%, around 20% of the Americans in total, the fringiest of the fringe, imo.

Spazito

(55,500 posts)
45. I totally agree, they are the same kind of people the Nazis depended on...
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:51 PM
Aug 2020

to carry out their orders.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
55. OUCH, you are correct, what will dumpie tell his 20% to do after he loses the election?
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:10 PM
Aug 2020

God help us!

Blue_playwright

(1,620 posts)
42. Maybe they think...
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:36 PM
Aug 2020

... it coulda been worse? I don't really get it. 12k died of H1n1 and Obama was practically strung up over it. And those who recovered didn’t have the horrible long term problems.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
54. Independents are hardly a monolithic group
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:09 PM
Aug 2020

Most of that 33% is from the part that thinks Republicans aren't conservative or libertarian enough.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
12. Keep in mind, these are generally the same people who think
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:24 AM
Aug 2020

school shootings are a trivial thing. Little kids have to have active shooter drills, but their god-given right to not wear a mask is far greater than anyone else's life.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
49. Murdoch and Sinclair
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:01 PM
Aug 2020

have created what is Trump. When Britain and Australia kick your sorry ass out of their Countries,you are a real Scum-bag. Sinclair joined Forces with the Koch Brothers years ago to push their Libertarian/Federalist crap since Nixon. Dare say,with the Koch's it was their story since playing with the Nazi's of the Thirties.

Texin

(2,851 posts)
14. 57% still think it's fine because it has not affected them or their families personally.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

It's happening to "others".

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
17. Compassion has no place
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:44 AM
Aug 2020

in the Republican world.

I have strong suspicions that a lot of those folks base their acceptance on the notion that a disproportionate number of deaths are people of color, that it is OK to sacrifice some old white people if it means thinning the ranks of color. I have read comments that the old people who have died, were on death's doorstep anyway, so it didn't really matter....

The other reasoning is that, without the great leadership of the Trump administration, the numbers would have been far greater.

For every Trump failure, there is an excuse, and it doesn't need to pass any credibility test.

There are people out there who honestly believe that Trump is the greatest president the nation has ever seen. It is as if, nearly half of the nation is insane. Propaganda works.....

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

niyad

(132,442 posts)
19. May each and every one of those who said these deaths are acceptable.contract a fatal case of
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:47 AM
Aug 2020

this virus. And, yes, I do include that insane 10% of Dems. I find that number appalling.

BunnyMcGee

(483 posts)
46. Add me to the list
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:54 PM
Aug 2020

And I know someone who doesn't believe in wearing a mask. Washing my hands...

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
20. The GOP has become the Party of Depraved Indifference To Human Life so it's no surprise the majority
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:48 AM
Aug 2020

don't care that 176K+ American lives were taken away. It's collateral damage to them, expendable for the party's dominance. This is horrifying at every level yet they're trying to normalize it as acceptable.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
21. I just cannot grasp the import of these numbers.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:50 AM
Aug 2020

That well over a majority of Republicans think it’s okay for their fellow citizens to die is astonishing and truly dismaying. That many of those deaths could be prevented with the simple acts of wearing a mask in public and maintaining physical distance is well known yet ignored by these same people because preventing someone else’s death infringes on their freedom. And what is wrong with Independents that a third of them agree!

Since Trump’s election, many things have angered and depressed me, but this statistic sends me into despair the future of this country. When you have such a significant number of people who do not place any value on the lives of their fellow citizens, you have an extremely sick country. My God, this is just unbelievable.

StarryNite

(12,116 posts)
24. Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:54 AM
Aug 2020

Or he could let 176,000 and counting die and he still won't lose his voters.

And they wonder why they are called deplorable.

EleanorR

(2,440 posts)
27. They protested against fake "death panels"
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 11:57 AM
Aug 2020

But now they're ok that trump is actually allowing thousands of our parents and grandparents to die alone. They truly are a cult.

RockRaven

(19,375 posts)
36. A lot of right wingers view poll questions as loyalty tests. You give the "right" answer
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:08 PM
Aug 2020

to signal that you are sticking with your side.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
37. After 3,000 deaths on 9/11 Bush launched 2 wars & spent $trillions
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:13 PM
Aug 2020

But nearly 60 times as many deaths is so "acceptable" they're outraged at having to wear masks to protect the lives of fellow Americans.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
61. Many of them would answer
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:26 PM
Aug 2020

Hoax! Fake news!

I know a couple of people who think this whole "pandemic" is a bunch of bullshit.

Many answered "acceptable" because the poll lacked the choice "fake news."

raging moderate

(4,624 posts)
65. Yes. And both wars were against the wrong countries.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:37 PM
Aug 2020

As I am sure you know, neither war had anything to do with the countries that had attacked us on 9/11. These people are so easily manipulated. If Trump told them they had to wear masks, they would beat up anybody who was without a mask.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
71. GW Bush is a war criminal
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 02:10 PM
Aug 2020

It burns me seeing him treated with honor, living a life of wealth and privilege.

TimeToGo

(1,443 posts)
40. Not thrilled with the way the question Is framed
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:23 PM
Aug 2020

Some might read it as unavoidable. Now, that’s not a full excuse because even though some deaths were unavoidable, the huge number was definitely avoidable (what would the death number have been with a competent response?).

I don’t know what the questions surrounding it were - maybe the avoidable question was in there. Or maybe there was setup prior. Do we have that?

If anybody believes even one death is acceptable, they are bad people (10% Democrats??!!). I just don’t know for sure that all these people understood the question. I’m going to hope that is the case. Because if not . . . . man!

Edit to add — the question may basically just be a referendum on Trump.

DSandra

(1,719 posts)
43. Someone tell me that if Trump stays in power, that he will not try to create his own "master race"
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:41 PM
Aug 2020

And that includes killing the weak and vulnerable, because they abhor weakness.

Remember, Trump admires dictators and likes to read Hitlers speeches...

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
44. How many of the 2 that died of Ebola were acceptable when Obama handled that pandemic?
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:44 PM
Aug 2020

How many of the 2 that died of Ebola were acceptable when Obama handled that pandemic?

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump · Oct 15, 2014
President Obama has a personal responsibility to visit & embrace all people in the US who contract Ebola!


Grammy23

(6,122 posts)
47. It is all fine & good until it is their
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 12:54 PM
Aug 2020

Grandma, Aunt, brother, child, spouse, cousin, brother-in-law, favorite uncle, minister, 5th grade teacher, local circuit court judge, small business owner, school bus driver, mayor, neighbor, doctor etc. etc etc.

Then it becomes tragic.

So cruel and short sighted.

They seem to have forgotten that those people ALL died needlessly. They would all still be living and carrying on with their lives if not for Covid-19.

richdj25

(225 posts)
50. Not surprised in the least by Republican responses
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:03 PM
Aug 2020

given the majority of those infected are people of color, which they don't care about at all. The other sad part is Dems and Independents agreeing with people dying.....period.

When you get down to it, humans can be some truly unfeeling - nasty people.

PatrickforO

(15,426 posts)
51. Biden should win by a landslide..........IF.............we get out the vote.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:03 PM
Aug 2020

Otherwise, say goodbye to the republic.

PurgedVoter

(2,715 posts)
53. What this chart says to me is different.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:06 PM
Aug 2020

It says that 43 percent of Republicans are capable of empathy and learning. Ten percent of those who say they are Democrats on polls are lying Republicans and the 33% that made your life hell in school are still managing to make your life hell.

The Animator

(1,140 posts)
56. My Cousin is a conservative and tested positive for Covid a few months ago.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:16 PM
Aug 2020

He’s in his mid forties and diabetic.
But apparently his case and symptoms were fairly mild, so now this genius is convinced that since it didn’t kill him the whole pandemic has blown out of proportion and the numbers are being politically inflated...

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
72. He could have infected his parents, or someone else's parents
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

It's less likely to be fatal for the younger ones but the fatalities climb for older and weaker victims. There's no guarantee your cousin won't get it again, since different strains of the virus are going around. Covid doesn't care whom you voted for, it's just looking for more victims. Another thing to consider is that some people have experienced damage to their lungs, brain, liver or other organs that can be life-affecting, even though they may have survived the virus.

The Animator

(1,140 posts)
74. Oh I'm well aware.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 02:40 PM
Aug 2020

But because it didn’t personally affect him as much as he was expecting, it must all be politically driven hysteria...
He got really, really lucky, but thinks his experience is reality for everyone else.

I’m sure Herman Cain would be relieved to know it’s not that big a deal.

pwb

(12,669 posts)
57. 43% not acceptable is a big number.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:19 PM
Aug 2020

A lot of pukes have been hurt by Trumps inaction.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
59. It's not all that far from human sacrifice
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:23 PM
Aug 2020

The pain and deaths mean the medicine is working. Ooga Booga is pleased.

And, of course, don't forget the fact that they are the perps in this. They could look at the simple math and figure out that they're wrong. Or they can deny that anything is wrong. I wonder which they'll choose.

DBoon

(24,988 posts)
78. The Aztecs were known for human sacrifice
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 07:15 PM
Aug 2020

Being sacrificed to them was an honor as it pleased the gods. Dying of Covid in Trump's america has no honor or dignity.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
79. But notice that Republicans want to make it about "sacrificing" for the good of the economy.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 08:32 PM
Aug 2020

And, like the Aztecs, what some Republican leaders like to do is based on folly, superstitious urges, and no shortage of flimflam, rather than rationality, empathy, and science. It's really not too hard to see a parallel here, imo.

Was it better to have your heart cut out or to suffocate slowly on a ventilator? The Aztec common people probably thought the whole sacrifice thing was just sort of a debate between two schools of thought.

kentuck

(115,407 posts)
69. The number of deaths is irrelevant to them.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:52 PM
Aug 2020

It could be 10 million deaths and they would feel the same way.

It's just a number. It's not a person they can relate to.

tinrobot

(12,062 posts)
70. Do the math. A little over 28% of voters are registered Republican
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 02:00 PM
Aug 2020

That 57% of 28%, so around 15% overall.

Currently, 40% registered Democrats, 29% Independent, plus a few percent for other parties. Calculating it out for the population, we get a little over 28% who think it is acceptable and 72% thinking it is unacceptable.

I still think that 28% is too high, but let's get some perspective when people start throwing these numbers around. An overwhelming majority think it is unacceptable. That will impact the vote this fall.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,689 posts)
75. They read it as: Do you think you are still not an idiot for supporting Trump?
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 03:06 PM
Aug 2020

Trump finds it acceptable.
They voted for Trump
If some whiny liberal polling company comes asking me to make Trump look bad, (and me an idiot), I will not do that.

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