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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums57 percent of Republicans think 176,000 coronavirus deaths (and counting) is acceptable. Holy shit.
marmar
(79,741 posts)lonely bird
(2,941 posts)It is the end result of cognitive dissonance. The mind seems to collapse and abandon critical thinking due to holding directly opposing positions as truth.
Just my opinion.
dlk
(13,247 posts)Our brains are wired to believe things we hear repeatedly. The damage incurred by right wing propaganda cannot be underestimated. Tribalism is toxic!
ananda
(35,145 posts)..
Illumination
(2,458 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)tanyev
(49,297 posts)Yet.
marybourg
(13,640 posts)Torches and pitchforks if caused by Obama.
Botany
(77,324 posts)Sancho
(9,205 posts)...and that is their belief.
mtngirl47
(1,243 posts)They think they should sacrifice themselves for the economy
Sancho
(9,205 posts)...letting them die off is ok!
You've nailed it. As President Lyndon Johnson's words observed:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Sancho
(9,205 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)That's what I saw pretty recently, anyway.
They act like the rate of death and complications are comparable between Covid-19 and recent flu outbreaks, and keep pushing the idea that Covid-19 is a political ploy to "make Trump look bad".
Unbelievable that anyone could even imagine the possibility of such a grand conspiracy, involving people across the whole world, but they're stupid.
Spazito
(55,500 posts)would find Trump shooting someone on Fifth Avenue as acceptable as well. They find anything Trump does or doesn't do is A okay with them.
I think only 37% of Americans identify as repubs so we are talking about 57% of 37%, around 20% of the Americans in total, the fringiest of the fringe, imo.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)Spazito
(55,500 posts)to carry out their orders.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)God help us!
samsingh
(18,426 posts)Blue_playwright
(1,620 posts)... it coulda been worse? I don't really get it. 12k died of H1n1 and Obama was practically strung up over it. And those who recovered didnt have the horrible long term problems.
JHB
(38,213 posts)Most of that 33% is from the part that thinks Republicans aren't conservative or libertarian enough.
JI7
(93,617 posts)AmyStrange
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PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)school shootings are a trivial thing. Little kids have to have active shooter drills, but their god-given right to not wear a mask is far greater than anyone else's life.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Brain Farted by Fox Noise. There lays the problem. Murdoch.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)AllaN01Bear
(29,496 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)have created what is Trump. When Britain and Australia kick your sorry ass out of their Countries,you are a real Scum-bag. Sinclair joined Forces with the Koch Brothers years ago to push their Libertarian/Federalist crap since Nixon. Dare say,with the Koch's it was their story since playing with the Nazi's of the Thirties.
Texin
(2,851 posts)It's happening to "others".
yaesu
(9,328 posts)malaise
(296,118 posts)That is all
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)in the Republican world.
I have strong suspicions that a lot of those folks base their acceptance on the notion that a disproportionate number of deaths are people of color, that it is OK to sacrifice some old white people if it means thinning the ranks of color. I have read comments that the old people who have died, were on death's doorstep anyway, so it didn't really matter....
The other reasoning is that, without the great leadership of the Trump administration, the numbers would have been far greater.
For every Trump failure, there is an excuse, and it doesn't need to pass any credibility test.
There are people out there who honestly believe that Trump is the greatest president the nation has ever seen. It is as if, nearly half of the nation is insane. Propaganda works.....
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niyad
(132,442 posts)this virus. And, yes, I do include that insane 10% of Dems. I find that number appalling.
BunnyMcGee
(483 posts)And I know someone who doesn't believe in wearing a mask. Washing my hands...
2naSalit
(102,798 posts)These assholes can be next then.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)don't care that 176K+ American lives were taken away. It's collateral damage to them, expendable for the party's dominance. This is horrifying at every level yet they're trying to normalize it as acceptable.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)That well over a majority of Republicans think its okay for their fellow citizens to die is astonishing and truly dismaying. That many of those deaths could be prevented with the simple acts of wearing a mask in public and maintaining physical distance is well known yet ignored by these same people because preventing someone elses death infringes on their freedom. And what is wrong with Independents that a third of them agree!
Since Trumps election, many things have angered and depressed me, but this statistic sends me into despair the future of this country. When you have such a significant number of people who do not place any value on the lives of their fellow citizens, you have an extremely sick country. My God, this is just unbelievable.
StarryNite
(12,116 posts)Or he could let 176,000 and counting die and he still won't lose his voters.
And they wonder why they are called deplorable.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)EleanorR
(2,440 posts)But now they're ok that trump is actually allowing thousands of our parents and grandparents to die alone. They truly are a cult.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)Nazi death cult.
bucolic_frolic
(55,142 posts)See if they're still numb.
AllaN01Bear
(29,496 posts)Sneederbunk
(17,494 posts)RockRaven
(19,375 posts)to signal that you are sticking with your side.
Martin Eden
(15,629 posts)But nearly 60 times as many deaths is so "acceptable" they're outraged at having to wear masks to protect the lives of fellow Americans.
BunnyMcGee
(483 posts)I wonder if they would have an answer to that.
Martin Eden
(15,629 posts)Hoax! Fake news!
I know a couple of people who think this whole "pandemic" is a bunch of bullshit.
Many answered "acceptable" because the poll lacked the choice "fake news."
raging moderate
(4,624 posts)As I am sure you know, neither war had anything to do with the countries that had attacked us on 9/11. These people are so easily manipulated. If Trump told them they had to wear masks, they would beat up anybody who was without a mask.
Martin Eden
(15,629 posts)It burns me seeing him treated with honor, living a life of wealth and privilege.
nevergiveup
(4,815 posts)I am shocked that 43% consider it "not acceptable"
TimeToGo
(1,443 posts)Some might read it as unavoidable. Now, thats not a full excuse because even though some deaths were unavoidable, the huge number was definitely avoidable (what would the death number have been with a competent response?).
I dont know what the questions surrounding it were - maybe the avoidable question was in there. Or maybe there was setup prior. Do we have that?
If anybody believes even one death is acceptable, they are bad people (10% Democrats??!!). I just dont know for sure that all these people understood the question. Im going to hope that is the case. Because if not . . . . man!
Edit to add the question may basically just be a referendum on Trump.
DSandra
(1,719 posts)And that includes killing the weak and vulnerable, because they abhor weakness.
Remember, Trump admires dictators and likes to read Hitlers speeches...
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)How many of the 2 that died of Ebola were acceptable when Obama handled that pandemic?
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump · Oct 15, 2014
President Obama has a personal responsibility to visit & embrace all people in the US who contract Ebola!
Link to tweet
Grammy23
(6,122 posts)Grandma, Aunt, brother, child, spouse, cousin, brother-in-law, favorite uncle, minister, 5th grade teacher, local circuit court judge, small business owner, school bus driver, mayor, neighbor, doctor etc. etc etc.
Then it becomes tragic.
So cruel and short sighted.
They seem to have forgotten that those people ALL died needlessly. They would all still be living and carrying on with their lives if not for Covid-19.
richdj25
(225 posts)given the majority of those infected are people of color, which they don't care about at all. The other sad part is Dems and Independents agreeing with people dying.....period.
When you get down to it, humans can be some truly unfeeling - nasty people.
PatrickforO
(15,426 posts)Otherwise, say goodbye to the republic.
PurgedVoter
(2,715 posts)It says that 43 percent of Republicans are capable of empathy and learning. Ten percent of those who say they are Democrats on polls are lying Republicans and the 33% that made your life hell in school are still managing to make your life hell.
The Animator
(1,140 posts)Hes in his mid forties and diabetic.
But apparently his case and symptoms were fairly mild, so now this genius is convinced that since it didnt kill him the whole pandemic has blown out of proportion and the numbers are being politically inflated...
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)It's less likely to be fatal for the younger ones but the fatalities climb for older and weaker victims. There's no guarantee your cousin won't get it again, since different strains of the virus are going around. Covid doesn't care whom you voted for, it's just looking for more victims. Another thing to consider is that some people have experienced damage to their lungs, brain, liver or other organs that can be life-affecting, even though they may have survived the virus.
The Animator
(1,140 posts)But because it didnt personally affect him as much as he was expecting, it must all be politically driven hysteria...
He got really, really lucky, but thinks his experience is reality for everyone else.
Im sure Herman Cain would be relieved to know its not that big a deal.
pwb
(12,669 posts)A lot of pukes have been hurt by Trumps inaction.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)The pain and deaths mean the medicine is working. Ooga Booga is pleased.
And, of course, don't forget the fact that they are the perps in this. They could look at the simple math and figure out that they're wrong. Or they can deny that anything is wrong. I wonder which they'll choose.
DBoon
(24,988 posts)Being sacrificed to them was an honor as it pleased the gods. Dying of Covid in Trump's america has no honor or dignity.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)And, like the Aztecs, what some Republican leaders like to do is based on folly, superstitious urges, and no shortage of flimflam, rather than rationality, empathy, and science. It's really not too hard to see a parallel here, imo.
Was it better to have your heart cut out or to suffocate slowly on a ventilator? The Aztec common people probably thought the whole sacrifice thing was just sort of a debate between two schools of thought.
dchill
(42,660 posts)Asking for a nation.
moondust
(21,286 posts)Just like this is also acceptable to the Heavily Armed Lunatics (HALs) EVERY YEAR:
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tom_kelly
(1,051 posts)roamer65
(37,953 posts)progressive nobody
(816 posts)I have no words...
kentuck
(115,407 posts)It could be 10 million deaths and they would feel the same way.
It's just a number. It's not a person they can relate to.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)That 57% of 28%, so around 15% overall.
Currently, 40% registered Democrats, 29% Independent, plus a few percent for other parties. Calculating it out for the population, we get a little over 28% who think it is acceptable and 72% thinking it is unacceptable.
I still think that 28% is too high, but let's get some perspective when people start throwing these numbers around. An overwhelming majority think it is unacceptable. That will impact the vote this fall.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,689 posts)Trump finds it acceptable.
They voted for Trump
If some whiny liberal polling company comes asking me to make Trump look bad, (and me an idiot), I will not do that.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)... don't mean shit.

