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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:18 AM

Universal basic income will get the poor and young voters to the polls and elect Joe and Kamala.

Kamala Harris has hinted at supporting making the $1200 stimulus check a monthly thing. My details are kind of sketchy. But based on articles I've read, it sounded to me like she supports making it a permanent thing at least for awhile, what that means is up in the air.

But at least she's talking about it.

Kamala is on to something here.

The need for a universal basic income has become glaringly clear in this pandemic.

It can save our country from economic collapse.

It can help our people weather the storm.

I believe Joe would support Kamala's idea as well.

To Joe and Kamala, champion this. Campaign on it and we will elect you.

Take it to the bank.

Peace.

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Reply Universal basic income will get the poor and young voters to the polls and elect Joe and Kamala. (Original post)
Imallin4Joe Aug 2020 OP
mvd Aug 2020 #1
Nexus2 Aug 2020 #7
mvd Aug 2020 #17
Freethinker65 Aug 2020 #2
mvd Aug 2020 #3
Freethinker65 Aug 2020 #6
mvd Aug 2020 #16
redstateblues Aug 2020 #4
LexVegas Aug 2020 #5
MineralMan Aug 2020 #8
obnoxiousdrunk Aug 2020 #9
honest.abe Aug 2020 #10
DFW Aug 2020 #11
Squidly Aug 2020 #12
DFW Aug 2020 #18
mvd Aug 2020 #20
Baked Potato Aug 2020 #13
SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #14
pwb Aug 2020 #15
grantcart Aug 2020 #19
brooklynite Aug 2020 #21
PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2020 #22

Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:21 AM

1. I support it, as long as it is not the RW version

But after how Repukes have sat on their hands for months with no new aid, that alone should get them to the polls.

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Response to mvd (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:56 AM

7. RW version?

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Response to Nexus2 (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:03 PM

17. Right wing version

Some right wingers want to give out a paltry UBI and then take away the protections that people rely on now.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:33 AM

2. Nope. it will scare some independents away tho.

Some guaranteed income to get through the pandemic and a moratorium on evictions is necessary. Getting money into the economy in crucial... explain Democrats want to get more to the people, whereas the GOP wants to get more to the corporations (and stock market) by keeping loans artificially low (free money for investment). In reality it probably needs to be a mix of both?
Universal income will easily be defined by Republicans as lazy Americans taking money from working Americans. American voters are already leery of Universal healthcare and that should have been a no brainer.

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:36 AM

3. I disagree. They cast everything we do as socialist

We need to defend the good things and not run away. And the polls have shown movement to the progressive side on health care.

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Response to mvd (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:46 AM

6. Get the Presidency. Possibly the Senate. And expand the House.

The Biden-Harris platform is a very good start. Being President of all of the People, and not just the political base, is how they are choosing to run and what they believe they can get through Congress. Democrats nominated Biden, and the polls are in Biden's favor.

As for healthcare, a Medicare buy-in is possible, Universal Healthcare will have to wait.

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:01 PM

16. I don't disagree that it is a start

We should still be talking about these progressive issues though, even if the candidates donít themselves. Because with Biden we at least have an ear, and with Trump we do not.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:39 AM

4. That's not a winning issue in the GE

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:42 AM

5. It sure helped Yang a lot. nt

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:58 AM

8. That is not a winning message in a Presidential race.

Not at all. It's a great idea, but it has limited appeal to voters.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:05 AM

9. Do you have

a link where it says Kamala has supported making this a monthly thing ? It doesn't sound something that Kamala would say.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:05 AM

10. No. It will do the opposite.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:22 AM

11. To sell this to the voters

You have to tell them that the Treasury needs $180 Billion a month for 150 million Americans. That's $2.16 Trillion a year. The whole Federal budget was $4.79 Trillion in 2020. Whatever the USA was up to, we could now only afford a little over half of it due to this program. I suppose we could always try to invade and enslave China for free, but I don't give that much chance of success. Even dismantling the whole Defense Department wouldn't come close to paying for it, although we would get a nice thank you note from Putin. I just don't see how we can afford to do this on a universal basis. Proven need is one thing. Universal distribution is another.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 11:05 AM

12. start taxing the 1% like they should be taxed

would solve a lot of our problems

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Response to Squidly (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:08 PM

18. Very few actually

Pretend itís 1942 and Enteignung is in full swing. Confiscate 100% of the net worth of Bill Gates and distribute it to every man, woman and child in the USA. That would net them all about $400 apieceóonce. What about next week? Playing Robin Hood isnít going to solve the mess weíre in this time. The problem is far more complicated. The proportions no longer permit simple solutions.

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Response to DFW (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:32 PM

20. Not the only solution, but part of it

The wealthiest have had their wealth go up even during the pandemic. They should definitely be taxed more. Other ideas are a stock transaction tax and corporate tax increase (some corporations pay $0) and reducing defense spending. Now providing a comfortable living via UBI would probably crash the economy. But a more modest amount along with current social safety net provisions like food stamps, Medicare and Social Security is doable.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

13. America won't do it until forced through total collapse.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

14. Terrible idea to run on

 

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 11:49 AM

15. Red state young people would love legal Marijuana?

The only way that will happen for them is Nationally. Legal pot may bring the young to the polls too. That could turn the whole south blue?

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:21 PM

19. No for the simple reason that people really don't want a handout they want a job


Fortunately Biden is the person who understands more than anyone that a job is more than disposable income.

Beyond that there is zero evidence that any income redistribution issues ever turns out higher voter participation in lower income voters.

For four decades WA State voters have had multiple referendums to allow an income tax for higher income, including one funded by the Gates family that would only target individuals making more than $ 1 million income a year. Not only have all of these been lost by a landslide they were defeated by large margins in poorer neighborhoods and resulted in no significant increase in lower income voter turnout.

Poor people want a life with dignity and that means a job that had purpose and pays well not a check in the mail.

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:51 PM

21. How did Andrew Yang do?

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Response to Imallin4Joe (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 12:53 PM

22. I am very much in favor of a UBI.

So long as it's not used to replace Social Security. I happen to get more than $1200/month on SS.

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