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(MSN) Hillary Clinton, who lost to Donald Trump in 2016, said Tuesday that this year's Democratic challenger Joe Biden should refuse to concede until all votes are counted in a tight and possibly drawn-out contest. Clinton said that possible delays in tallying ballots -- with mail-in voting set to reach unprecedented levels -- mean Biden must hold back from accepting defeat initially.
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out and, eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side," Clinton said in an interview with Showtime's "The Circus."
Clinton, who won almost three million more votes than Trump overall in 2016 but lost to him in the state-by-state electoral college count, suggested that the Republicans are hoping to get the result they want through in-person voting on the day -- and not necessarily wait for any delayed mail-in ballots to be counted.
Her comments follow warnings from both sides that the result of the election may not be known on the evening of November 3rd. Republicans "have a couple of scenarios that they are looking toward. One is messing up absentee balloting," she said. "They believe that helps them so that they then get maybe a narrow advantage in the electoral college on election day," Clinton said.
She called for Democrats to mount a "massive legal operation." (Read More)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hillary-clinton-urges-biden-not-to-concede-in-close-election/ar-BB18mYX7?ocid=mailsignout
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)
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iluvtennis
(19,844 posts)KS Toronado
(17,195 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,449 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,449 posts)vote is countered and every case of voter suppression is litigated.
BComplex
(8,029 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)This country has got to learn that we aren't equipped to have instantaneous, accurate results. I wish VP Gore and Sec Clinton had gone through a recount, and I wish the country hadn't gone through those tough times with W and Trump in power. These elections are too important to be decided by 10:00 on election night. We should have a complete automatic recount every time.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,449 posts)4 years later, he showed his true colors.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I wonder if Gore would have done better if he had chosen Zell Miller instead of Lieberman. He might have won GA, but I'm not sure about CT. It's fun to think about this stuff sometimes. Any choice that would have prevented 9/11 and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would have definitely been worth it...........................unless somebody else got pissed off and we got a world war to take the place of those conflicts. Sometimes it's better to accept what you've been given.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,449 posts)a low priority and a military budget significantly reduced. A more solid and sustainable economic policy. Carter tried this, Republicans kept us on the Big Oil addiction.
former9thward
(31,973 posts)Bin Laden declared war on the U.S. in the 90s when Gore was VP.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)news and analysis regarding 9/11, but I remember reading that the Clinton administration was much further ahead in intelligence research. I read that Clinton's people were aware of Bin Laden's activity in 2000 and 2001. If Gore had gone into office in 2001, there's a good chance that Bin Laden's schemes would have been laid bare.
robbob
(3,527 posts)One thing Im pretty sure of is Al Gore wouldnt have ignored a document titled Bin Laden determined to strike in USA to go on vacation for a month.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Lock him up.
(6,925 posts)The outcome is too important to let the tRump MOB get its way by bullying again.
Take the time it'll take to count ALL the votes. The electoral college vote is only mid-December.
No need to rush to please the failing medias.
RICO the tRump MOB
Over 180,000 victims of it soon. 'nuf!
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)JI7
(89,246 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)Do not give in until every vote is counted and every irregularity is explained.
dalton99a
(81,442 posts)and to the detriment of the country"
Maven
(10,533 posts)Not this time.
oasis
(49,374 posts)The only reason 2016 was even close is because of James Comey's antics throughout the election.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)If Texas is in play he is really in trouble ...
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)Definitely DO NOT concede!
sandensea
(21,621 posts)We ceased being a full democracy at that point - all the more so after the 2004 Ken Blackbox heist.
But 2016 really pushed us down the slippery slope of banana republicanism - one as slippery as a banana peel.
2020 may be our last chance back from the brink.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)that he may be in office for 12 more years (I guess he thinks he is as wonderful as FDR).
sandensea
(21,621 posts)Because the Fat Bastard probably only has a few more months to live, what with his health.
He already had a stroke last year (the Walter Reed "check-up" ).
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Hekate
(90,641 posts)RandomHall
(13 posts)Do *not* concede. Let us take Trump's projection and turn it around: Trump claims that if he loses, it is a fraudulent outcome. We say that if Biden does not win, *that* is the fraudulent outcome. Trump and GOP voter suppression has reached new depths that are astounding and shameless.
All the polls indicate a Biden win; and the election day exit polls will probably also indicate a Biden win (unless they are "corrected" to match the stolen results in key swing states, as happened in 2016). (Reference: Greg Palast.)
Be ready for an inside/outside strategy and action: legal court challenges by DNC lawyers, and we the people peacefully protesting in the streets, in every major city and town in the nation.
Let us be inspired by the good people of Belarus, who have been demonstrating in the streets for two weeks, since the day of their election (August 9) that was stolen by their president for life (26 years) Lukashenko.
And Biden must remember to be tough, and stay strong. This election is not just about him; it is literally to save the country and to save our democratic republic.
Jim__
(14,074 posts)Do not concede until all possible suspicions of cheating have been resolved.
In 2000, Al Gore conceded for the good of the country. Any Trump victory will be the end of the United States as we know it.
bringthePaine
(1,727 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Do not concede to a known cheater.
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dalton99a
(81,442 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)We are going to destroy Trump.
Of course, that won't stop him from claiming that he won and declaring victory.
Cha
(297,123 posts)MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)They wont win, fairly.
debsy
(530 posts)And I completely agree: DO NOT CONCEDE!
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)looking at another razor thin margin election.trump is already closing the gap at 42% approval and rising, lying his way to the throne
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Please don't spread disinformation. Biden's lead today is the highest it's been in over a month.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Biden is going to win Florida and Pennsylvania and that will give him the clear path to victory - with both states being called on election night.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)Javaman
(62,517 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)We will need to fight like we did in 1876.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)go under heavy IV sedation until it's all over.
I my try just doing it with hard liquor.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,832 posts)I'm not owed a verdict at the end of the day. Certainly not one based on one of the candidates reading the tea leaves.
I'm owed an accurate count. And I'll wait for it.
triron
(21,995 posts)Illumination
(2,458 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Blue Owl
(50,347 posts)We gotta crush the Turd Reich like it's WWII...