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kentuck

(111,069 posts)
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:10 PM Aug 2020

Which is more secure? To vote in person, or by mail?

Not necessarily which is more "safe".

But, if I cannot get my ballot mailed with at least two weeks left until Election Day, I will choose to stand in line to vote, if necessary.

It's sad that there is so much doubt about out voting system.

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Which is more secure? To vote in person, or by mail? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2020 OP
You are in Colorado still, aren't you? All of us get our ballot at least a month early by mail hlthe2b Aug 2020 #1
I don't trust Trump, I think he wants mail in votes. Throck Aug 2020 #2
What makes you think Trump won't try shit on election day? LisaL Aug 2020 #7
He will try shit. Throck Aug 2020 #8
What good is that going to do if it prevents people from voting? LisaL Aug 2020 #10
It'll be like giving the guy the finger. Throck Aug 2020 #20
I'm voting in person... Aviation91 Aug 2020 #3
Sounds like a plan. LisaL Aug 2020 #5
I requested my ballot and will drop it off at the County Registrar the day I receive it. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #12
I am going to absentee-vote in VA, which I've done before. I want to make sure my Nay Aug 2020 #28
I've asked for absentee ballot already. LisaL Aug 2020 #4
I am going to the polls if I have to fight my way in. Chainfire Aug 2020 #6
I'm in Mass, I did a mail in ballot for our primary but used a drop box Green Line Aug 2020 #9
Both are good. I pwb Aug 2020 #11
The vote that is counted...... nt mitch96 Aug 2020 #13
I think I'll risk it, yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2020 #14
Depends on your state. LisaL Aug 2020 #15
I'm early voting in person in Florida. I don't trust the screwing with mail. NightWatcher Aug 2020 #16
Early voting would have been a good option in OH, but it only allows LisaL Aug 2020 #18
I've been VBM here in Florida for years mcar Aug 2020 #17
Here in Texas, I don't have a choice Javaman Aug 2020 #19
I suspect voting by mail is safer. Jeebo Aug 2020 #21
I am pretty sure they still use a machine to scan absentee ballots. LisaL Aug 2020 #25
I will vote my absentee ballot and hand deliver it Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #22
I always fill out my absentee ballot at home & SIGN IT! Locutusofborg Aug 2020 #23
Voting at the poll XanaDUer2 Aug 2020 #24
There is a higher rejection rate for vote by mail ballots Gothmog Aug 2020 #26
yes, it is much higher, and Rump's army of goons are not only going to voter intimidate at the polls Celerity Aug 2020 #27
How likely is it that your mail-in ballot won't get counted? Gothmog Aug 2020 #29

hlthe2b

(102,188 posts)
1. You are in Colorado still, aren't you? All of us get our ballot at least a month early by mail
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:14 PM
Aug 2020

I will take mine the next day to the Voter Registration/Office of the County Clerk and drop it off. I nearly always place it in a drop-off box, but the convenient ones tend not to be "open" until the week before election day. I want to get mine done and counted as quickly as possible.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
2. I don't trust Trump, I think he wants mail in votes.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:18 PM
Aug 2020

He's a master manipulator and would have his goons steal the ballots from the post office.

I'm going to mask up and shower in hand sanitizer but I'll vote the bastard out of office in person.

I'm tired of his shit.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
7. What makes you think Trump won't try shit on election day?
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

He is already promising to send some goons to polling places.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
10. What good is that going to do if it prevents people from voting?
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:26 PM
Aug 2020

Anyhow, people are already asking for absentee in large numbers. So absentee will be a very large part of votes in states that allow it.

Aviation91

(114 posts)
3. I'm voting in person...
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:18 PM
Aug 2020

I can’t take a chance with the most important election in the history of this country!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
12. I requested my ballot and will drop it off at the County Registrar the day I receive it.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:29 PM
Aug 2020

Virginia only legalized mail in voting (without an ironclad "excuse&quot this cycle, so this is all completely new to me, and a little bit anxiety-producing.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
28. I am going to absentee-vote in VA, which I've done before. I want to make sure my
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 05:53 PM
Aug 2020

actual ballot gets in before Election Day. VA is not infamous for screwing with the voting process, but if the USPS is ruined by Trump before Nov. 3, there's no way to 'backtrack' and vote another way.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
4. I've asked for absentee ballot already.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:21 PM
Aug 2020

I am still getting mail.
So I am hoping for the best. I can drop the ballot in a drop box if I deem it necessary. If it comes to worst and I won't be mailed a ballot in time, I can vote provisional on election day.

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
9. I'm in Mass, I did a mail in ballot for our primary but used a drop box
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:26 PM
Aug 2020

I put it in the box on Sunday and I was able to using ballot tracking to find out it was accepted on Monday.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
15. Depends on your state.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:33 PM
Aug 2020

You better figure out what the rules are.
In my state I had to ask for an absentee ballot for general even though I voted by mail in the primary. Your board of elections website should list the rules.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
18. Early voting would have been a good option in OH, but it only allows
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:42 PM
Aug 2020

one early voting place per county.
I don't feel like mingling with bunch of people right now.
As I am still getting mail, I am hoping my voting by mail goes smoothly.

mcar

(42,287 posts)
17. I've been VBM here in Florida for years
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:42 PM
Aug 2020

I bring our ballots to the Elections office and track them on the supervisor's site.

It is very secure.

Jeebo

(2,023 posts)
21. I suspect voting by mail is safer.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:17 PM
Aug 2020

If you don't want to get the virus, and if you want your vote to be counted fairly. Please bear with me while I explain that belief:

Here in Boone County, Missouri, before the March 10 primary, the last time I voted in person, you have to fill out your ballot and then take it to a machine that counts the ballots and stick in the slot and the machine sucks it in. I always feel nervous as hell when I do that, because I don't trust those machines as far as I can pick one of them up and throw it. How do I know what goes in within the electronic innards of that machine is counting my vote fairly and accurately? I don't know. I just have to trust it. What other choice do I have?

On the other hand, a Boone County elections official who works in the county clerk's office explained their procedure for opening and counting mail-in ballots. That official posted the procedure on a local community message board online. S/he said that each ballot is opened in the presence of one Democratic and one Republicon observer, and then counted, also in the presence of those same observers. That sounds to me like the mail-in ballots are hand-counted. If that is true, I trust that procedure MUCH more than voting in person at the polling place.

I am not sure I can trust the mail, though, so when I get my ballot, I am going to fill it out right away and hand-deliver it to the county clerk's office. I voted by mail in June and August, and I used the online tracker to see that they did receive my ballot, but regardless, this time I'm going to hand-deliver it.

-- Ron

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
25. I am pretty sure they still use a machine to scan absentee ballots.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:59 PM
Aug 2020

Counting them by hand would take forever.
Especially considering there is not just a presidential race on the ballot.

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
23. I always fill out my absentee ballot at home & SIGN IT!
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:35 PM
Aug 2020

Then I drive over to the Registrar of Voters office and hand the ballot to a collection person. Its a drive through set up so I don't even get out of my car. I go at off hours, days before the election and I'm back home in half an hour.

Celerity

(43,240 posts)
27. yes, it is much higher, and Rump's army of goons are not only going to voter intimidate at the polls
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:45 PM
Aug 2020

but also will challenge (or try to) damn near every mail-in ballot if they are allowed to be observers when that counting ensues.

Long ago, before the DeJoy and Rump USPS shite had become front page news, I tried to post articles on mail-in voting issues (with advice to overcome them), backed up with scientific studies (MIT did one for instance), and from Democratic Party friendly, VERY anti-Rethug sources, and I got smacked down (ludicrously) for pushing RW talking points, so I no longer get involved via attempting to do OP's on it.

cheers

Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
29. How likely is it that your mail-in ballot won't get counted?
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 01:35 AM
Aug 2020

This is a good study that shows a higher rejection rate. I had heard that there was a 2% to 3% rejection rate but this study shows a higher rate https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/25/how-likely-is-it-that-your-mail-in-ballot-wont-get-counted/

But voting by mail has some other practical risks that few have noted. It’s more complex than voting in person, administratively speaking. As a result, those who cast their ballots by mail might be less likely to have their votes counted than those who vote in person.

In an article forthcoming in the Harvard Data Science Review, I have worked to quantify how much riskier it is for someone to vote by mail than in person. Depending on the state in which a citizen is voting, the increased risk of having your vote lost — meaning, not counted in the election — ranges from 3.5 percent to 4.9 percent.

“Lost votes” is a term coined by the Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project (VTP) in its 2001 report “Voting: What Is/What Could Be.” Here’s what it means. Suppose a voter wakes up on Election Day, fully intending to vote, and does everything required to do so. If the intention is thwarted, that is a lost vote. For instance, she might arrive at the polls at 6 p.m. and finds the line is so long that she leaves and can’t return to cast a ballot by 7 p.m. when the polls close.

If she intends to vote by mail, here’s what might go wrong. In states where a voter must apply for a mail ballot, the ballot application could get lost in the mail; the local election office could lose the application or deny it; the ballot might not make it back to the voter, for instance, getting lost in the mail; and the marked ballot might not make it from the voter back to the local election office. Even if the ballot arrives, it could be rejected because it arrived late or lacked a signature — the two most common reasons for rejection. Finally, the ballot could have an error that she could have caught had she voted in person....

Estimating these risks is difficult. It’s nearly impossible to find hard data on whether the ballot request makes it to the local election office. I approximated this by relying on USPS performance reports, which indicate that approximately 0.4 percent of first-class mail and 0.7 percent of marketing mail fail to reach its destination within three days of the delivery standards set by the Postal Service. I assumed that 99.9 percent of the time, when local election officials do receive a valid application, they respond by mailing out a ballot. If we apply the 0.4 percent failed delivery figure both to the voter’s application for and return of a mail ballot, and then add 0.1 percent chance of it getting lost in the office and the 0.7 percent failed delivery figure for the election office’s response, this suggests that 1.6 percent of mail-ballot applications fail to deliver a ballot to the voter.


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