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Charlie Cook - Not a close race (Original Post) Hawaii Hiker Aug 2020 OP
Crap polls has everyone freaking today Wanderlust988 Aug 2020 #1
Leave it to Rassmessen to get the poll gaslighting going sandensea Aug 2020 #3
2016 has us rattled, and good for it Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #2
I've been donating Hawaii Hiker Aug 2020 #5
I've donated to roughly 17 campaigns. gibraltar72 Aug 2020 #15
Yeah the more you give, the more you Hawaii Hiker Aug 2020 #16
I like the ones that haven't changed in two months gibraltar72 Aug 2020 #20
GOTV like it's close sweetloukillbot Aug 2020 #4
Worth reading the whole story. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #6
Cause 1. state level polls for 2016 have yet to answer for 3rd part 300% over performing in ... uponit7771 Aug 2020 #7
Another factor in the tighter state polling... sweetloukillbot Aug 2020 #8
That variable has historical precedent Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #13
Biden has shy voters too . . . Iliyah Aug 2020 #14
Except we are in the land of gangsters Beringia Aug 2020 #9
Let's act like it is a close race but has potential to win big based on how hard we work JI7 Aug 2020 #10
Right now he's right qazplm135 Aug 2020 #11
Remember lead up to 2018 and media doing all they can beachbumbob Aug 2020 #12
Can we go with the expert here, that being Cook Political..please Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #17
Gotta love the self assured wannabe experts in the thread who think they're better at this than Cook BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #18
The only number I am watching is Covid 19 deaths malaise Aug 2020 #19
K & R nsd Aug 2020 #21

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
1. Crap polls has everyone freaking today
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:05 PM
Aug 2020

CNBC/Change Research and Rasmussen are GOP friendly polls from the beginning. Not sure why everyone is freaking out.

sandensea

(21,650 posts)
3. Leave it to Rassmessen to get the poll gaslighting going
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:10 PM
Aug 2020

Why the media likes to pretend it's not a Repug sockpuppet, is beyond me.

Johnny2X2X

(19,107 posts)
2. 2016 has us rattled, and good for it
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:08 PM
Aug 2020

Keep working hard, get out the vote, donate, volunteer.

But know that this isn't really a close race yet. It could become one, but right now Biden would win in a landslide or at worst in a near landslide.

gibraltar72

(7,508 posts)
15. I've donated to roughly 17 campaigns.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:14 PM
Aug 2020

One has sent a thank you. Many have sent tons of emails asking for more. The one that said thanks Sara Gideon. That postcard is on my dining room table. My wife noticed that. Someone in that campaign is taking care of things that matter. She will definitely get more. I wish others would pay attention to little things.

Hawaii Hiker

(3,166 posts)
16. Yeah the more you give, the more you
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:21 PM
Aug 2020

get those emails that say (paraphrasing) We immediately need to raise $1 million by midnight otherwise we won't meet our goal and will be in danger of not having the funds necessary to compete.....Please donate and your donation will be triple matched.....Thank you..


Now i exaggerate a bit, but every single day doom & gloom emails come from candiates asking for money.....And I don't think I've ever received a thank you.....I first donated to Obama during the 2008 campaign & subsequently to his 2012 campaign, HRC's campaign, and numerous senate candiates as well.....

gibraltar72

(7,508 posts)
20. I like the ones that haven't changed in two months
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 05:53 PM
Aug 2020

Citing polls where they are very close. When I've just read about one that says they are 12 points up. I get it but sometimes I think insulting peoples intelligence isn't the best tactic.

sweetloukillbot

(11,058 posts)
4. GOTV like it's close
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:10 PM
Aug 2020

We're ahead. By what looks like a lot. We just need to not rest on our laurels, and not succumb to dread.

uponit7771

(90,355 posts)
7. Cause 1. state level polls for 2016 have yet to answer for 3rd part 300% over performing in ...
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:13 PM
Aug 2020

... swing states.

2. Most (not all) polling companies will ... NOT ... take in effect voter suppression. For some reason the US voting system is a precious flower and saying its fucked up in anyway gets mucho agro.

3. Lets say Russia wasn't involved, they were but polling companies in swing states never show how there was a 4% swing on the avg towards Trump in the swing states after Commey

NOTE: The media CONTINUES to show national numbers that are registered voters vs swing state polls with likely voters and low MOE.

Pay attention to swing state likely voter polling with lose margin of error.

sweetloukillbot

(11,058 posts)
8. Another factor in the tighter state polling...
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:21 PM
Aug 2020

Pollster who adjusts the numbers to account for "Shy Trump Voters." Not only is the practice dubious to begin with, but how many "shy Trumpers" are there still? Since he won, they're fucking crowing about it everywhere.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
13. That variable has historical precedent
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:55 PM
Aug 2020

Right wingers were cynical about media and pollsters long before Trump. The term "Shy Tory" was coined toward British conservatives who were under reported in pre election polling along with exit polling.

I have to believe there is an under counted Trump vote. After all, the vast majority of variables have not changed:

* Same candidate
* Same messaging
* Only 4 years later
* Same base

I think it would be foolish to adjust away from 2016

Regardless, the key variable is independent voters. They will decide this race. We are not going to defeat Trump based on turnout or crossover voters. That stuff is glorified crap. The basics do not change.

JI7

(89,261 posts)
10. Let's act like it is a close race but has potential to win big based on how hard we work
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:29 PM
Aug 2020

We also know they will cheat.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
12. Remember lead up to 2018 and media doing all they can
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:41 PM
Aug 2020

to create an illusion that GOP wasn't going to have their ass kicked

BannonsLiver

(16,435 posts)
18. Gotta love the self assured wannabe experts in the thread who think they're better at this than Cook
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 05:28 PM
Aug 2020

Spoiler alert: You are not.

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