These murders and the ruination of a 17 year old are the direct fault of Trump and his nasty cabal

[Soph0571]

As Kyle Rittenhouse is charged with first degree intentional homicide after shooting three people during the Black Lives Matter Jacob Blake shooting protests I blame Trump. This is the absolute direct result of the policies of hate and division coming out of the White House. Rittenhouse is the archetypal MAGA. Loves Blue Lives Matter, having for too many guns for anyone, never mind a teenager, goes to MAGA rallies, and responds to the demands of his commander in chief to ‘take back their white streets from the nasty black folks’. He hears the dog whistles and responds faithfully to the orders of the supremacist in principal.

That a teenager is on the streets with a gun, bragging about being a vigilante, is even a thing is shocking and this is what Trumps America has done. This conduct has been normalised to such an extent that police were thanking him for coming out rather than asking why the fuck he was roaming about with a rifle? It beggar’s belief. Two people are dead because of the casual approach of the authorities’ attitude to MAGA cult members who wave their guns around. In direct contrast of course to how they police POC – which is all of the ironies in the context of the protests.

This 17 year old took two lives based on the commands of the cult leadership as they stoke a race war. Two families are devastated today at the loss of their loved ones and one mother has questions to ask herself about how she raised her son in Trumps America in such a way that he thought it OK to gun down peaceful protesters in a place and time that had fuck all to do with him.

This 17 year old will be tried as an adult and if found guilty will probably not leave prison until old age. His MAGA hat will have lost its sheen long before that. He believed the hype and followed instructions and now so many lives are ruined.

This is Trumps America and this is Trumps fault.

P.S. As an aside – what kind of community lets people have guns before they stop getting pimples? Teenagers are not known for their good judgement. They are not supposed to be the most rational decision makers, but they are allowed to own guns… that makes no sense to a Brit like me.

[tblue37]

1. Actually, he was too young to legally own a gun. But most people shouldn't own guns regardless

of age anyway, and certainly they shouldn't be strutting around with them during volatile, crowded situations.

[Soph0571]

3. That then underlines the shittiness of the police inaction

So not only was he waiving his gun around - it was illegal for him to have one, and no-one in the police bothered to ask the question. What age do you have to be to own a gun legally?

[tblue37]

9. In most places, 18 for a long gun (because of hunting), and 21 for a hand gun.

In Wisconsin, where the shooting occurred, he needed to be 18 to carry that gun.

[radius777]

2. +1. Trump is a cult leader

who brainwashes his flock, many of whom are vulnerable or unstable or just stupid/racist/etc.

The RW in this country is just sick, and hopefully Trump loses badly so they move their party to the center.

[beachbumbob]

4. under age Illinois resident in Wisconsin firing a firearm and not immediately ARRESTED, indicates

corruption level as well as the racists level of the Kenosha PD. This kid will not survive prison for obvious reasons and can not shed a tear.

[ResistantAmerican17]

5. Cabal or cult? These Nazi koolaid drinking idiots,

hundreds of them, here in Texas alone, drank bleach because this *ucking dotard told them to give it a try.

[Celerity]

8. she meant the leadership at the top, who direct the cult below, perhaps insert coterie for cabal

[3Hotdogs]

6. 17 years old...

Who paid for the gunz? He's driven to Iowa and Wisconsin. Who bought him the car or did the family loan him the car--

"Just drive safe, son."

I am looking forward to learning about the parents.



Oh, and Donald promised to pay the legal defense of Maggats owning libs. When can this little sweetheart's lawyer expect the check?

[tblue37]

12. Single mom.

[Evolve Dammit]

26. Like Sandy Hook single mom who loved guns?

[tblue37]

42. I don't know about that, but it does sound a bit like she didn't know how to say no to her kid, or

else she actually thought it was a good idea to go there with a gun.

She reminds me a bit of the affluenza mom who helped her son run to Mexico to escape jail after violating his parole conditions.

[dixiechiken1]

25. These are the questions I've had, also...

This kid's been on the Midwest leg of his own little MAGA Tour 2020 and he's only 17 yrs old. WTAF?

The screenshots I have seen of his social media pages show him with (what I assume is) that same gun with which he has since shot three people, two of whom are now dead. I don't remember seeing any adults in those photos. Were there any? Why did this kid have unfettered access to an AR-15? Where is/was the adult supervision? WTAF?

So. Many. Questions.

Bottom line is this kid's life is over. And it should be. This is/was not a video game and there has to be consequences. What a senseless waste.

But then again, "senseless waste" seems to be SOP under this GD administration.

[still_one]

7. As far as I am concerned he went there to kill people with the "approval" of some of the police

and there is no excuse for that

Unfortunately, I am very skeptical that justice will be served, and he will see very little jail time

I hope it isn't, but I think this will be another Vincent Chin like murder, where the killer will essentially get away with it

[bucolic_frolic]

10. He's just a test case

for if Trump steals the election again. Kyle wannabe's will be crawling out of the woodwork.

[oasis]

15. Exactly. nt

[arlyellowdog]

11. Kid carrying an assault rifle in a neighborhood

The minimum age for guns in Illinois (His home) is 18. This is the place for police profiling. Someone walking around with an assault rifle. In addition, person is obviously underage. In addition, person is obviously not with any official peacekeeping agency. Oh, and, people are yelling that he just murdered someone.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. Cons online posting pics of first victim on Sex Offender registry

Saying he's a child molester. Not sure if legit, but that's out there.

[arlyellowdog]

18. It's a horrifying Lie

There is another person with that name who was sentenced, but there is probably a criminal that shares most common names.

[Johnny2X2X]

28. How do I prove that?

Really want to squash that BS on some other sites.

[Trailrider1951]

46. See if you can get age or birth date for these two

Same name? Coincidence. Same name and birth date? Beyond coincidence.

[Lonestarblue]

14. His defense lawyers will claim that he's only 17 and he panicked.

He thought he was being attacked and “accidentally” shot the gun. Then when he was being chased, he accidentally aimed it at someone and the gun just went off. He’ll be portrayed as a good kid with some bad influences who doesn’t deserve to have his whole life ruined.

This is how white kids are treated. Meanwhile, black kids don’t even survive such an incident. And meanwhile, Mr. Blake is most likely paralyzed for life because he’s black. This all just makes me sick. Our country is one f****d up mess.

[usaf-vet]

21. One video w/ sound appeared to show someone in the distant point at a target & "double tap"

I tv and movie vernacular a double-tap is to shoot someone twice in the center of mass.

[BannonsLiver]

43. What I can't believe isn't being talked about

Is the fact he fired multiple shots indiscriminately AFTER he had already subdued victims 2 and 3. As he was walking away he just squeezed off 4 or 5 more rounds apparently at random. Could have easily killed more people. And that’s another reason why the self defense argument is bullshit.

[usaf-vet]

44. Agreed!

[usaf-vet]

27. One video w/ sound appeared to show someone in the distant point at a target & "double tap"

I tv and movie vernacular a double-tap is to shoot someone twice in the center of mass.

But he can clearly be seen running away from the scene. Running toward the approaching police. Carrying a rifle (AR knockoff). And never once being challenged to drop the gun and get down. The only police direction I heard was no don't go that way.

Who made him judge, jury, and executioner. Allowing him to target two individuals and kill them than pick the third target and seriously wounding that individual to the point he or she may lose their leg below the knee. What ammo was he using would be another question?

[kwijybo]

30. bang,.., bang,bang, bang, bang,...,bang, bang, bang

i counted 8 'accidental' shots with the first guy (shot in head).

[NNadir]

16. True dat. n/t.

[Buckeyeblue]

17. His parents should be held accountable, especially if they bought the gun for him

He will have to spend the rest of his life in prison (African American kids his age have been sentenced to life in prison for lesser crimes). My guess is that he has lived in a house mired in hate from the second he breathed his first breath.

This led to him wanting to kill. It's too bad. But what's even worse are the lives he decided to take. They don't have a chance to live out the rest of their lives. He took that away.

[gordianot]

20. I take it the young man is in custody so should his Mother.

It was not that long ago a parent made mass murder possible for her son. Any pundit that supports this vigilante action should be run off the air.

[LittleGirl]

19. I read this morning that his Mother drove him there eom

[cwydro]

24. Where did you read that?

Link?

[LittleGirl]

45. The Chicago news station

I’ll look for the link.

[julmur]

22. Wisconsin

In 2017 then governor Walker signed a bill eliminating the minimum age for hunting - "The new law allows children of any age to participate in a mentored hunt and allows mentor and student to each carry a weapon."

Rep. Joel Kleefisch, an avid hunter and chairman of the Assembly Natural Resources and Sporting Heritage Committee, said Monday that he allowed his 11-year-old daughter to shoot a wild hog on a Michigan game preserve when she was 8. He proudly displayed a video of her squeezing the trigger and a photo of her standing next to the dead pig with her rifle.

“This bill will allow responsible hunters to get kids off the couch and off the electronics and into the woods,” Kleefisch said. “There’s nothing more exciting than seeing the look on someone’s face when they harvest their first animal.”

The "prolife" party loves to take life, whether human or animal, and indoctrinates their kids at a very early age.

[lonely bird]

33. Harvest? HARVEST?

Sounds like someone let slip the reality. This isn’t about the outdoors. This isn’t about getting off the electronics. This is about killing, period. I don’t give a shit about those who say the eat what they kill. They want to kill, period.

[Kaleva]

35. What are you doing about it?

My guess nothing at all which suggests that this isn't much of an issue for you as it's human nature to take action when the the issue is deemed very important and it's human nautre to do nothing in response to a situation that's not deemed important.

[lonely bird]

39. How did you arrive at that conclusion regarding me?

Just a question.

Yes, I vote. Yes, I donate, yes, I support gun control.

Have a nice day.

[Kaleva]

41. Gun control doesn't have much to do with hunting.

I'm unaware of any gun control group that wants to severely restrict or ban the use of guns commonly used for hunting.

Which politicians do you support that advocate the banning of hunting?

I would agree that you have a negative view on hunting but I would also say that it's not that big a deal for you.

[SweetieD]

23. I don't care if his life is ruined. Strange seeing so many people have sympathy for this

White man. If he was a black 17 year old gangbanger who murdered 2 people would you be lamenting about how he ruined his young life? You would probably say that kid was a menace and be happy to see him locked up.

17 year olds are charged as adults and put away for life all the time around this country and sometimes for lesser crimes than this.

[pamela]

32. This

"Ruination," my ass.

[Midnightwalk]

38. Radicalization is maybe a better word

I didn’t read ruination as a sympathetic word but can see how it can be read that way.

The shooter is fully to blame for his actions, but it is also right to blame trump for supporting racism and vigilantism.

[OceanPete]

29. Teenagers good judgment.

You say "Teenagers are not known for their good judgment." But realize how many older farts on their way to senility are loaded with high power rifles, ammo and hatred. They really worry me as much as young Kyle.

[krispos42]

31. stochastic terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)#Stochastic_terrorism

Aside from meaning that people making statistically predictable but individually random terrorist attacks, it also means that the people making the attacks are also random.

[IronLionZion]

34. Good thing he's not a terrorist, and has no political or ideological views

[spudspud]

40. +1,000 /nt

[JohnnyRingo]

36. K&R

[Hiawatha Pete]

37. Well said!

I guess the NRA saw all those pictures of kids in Syria waving around AK-47's & M16's and thought "great idea, let's have that here"