So, now for some, a stupid, murderous, 17-year-old incel

[MineralMan]

is a hero? FFS!

In reality, he is a stupid boy who has been taken in by the ugly, racist, misogynistic, gun-loving rhetoric that has come out of Trump and his base for a very long time.

He drove across the border with his AR-15, all fired-up to "protect America," but he is so stupid that he shot three people and is now charged with first degree murder. Two or three years from now, he might actually go to trial for that. Maybe. More likely, he will be allowed to plead that charge down to simple manslaughter and spend almost no time in prison, because he's a young white guy and painfully stupid, to boot.

Meanwhile, the cop who fired seven bullets into the back of a black man who was just trying to get back into his car, has not been charged at all, and may never be.

Welcome to Donald Trump's America!

[MineralMan]

4. Really? How bizarre!

How proud she must be of her get...

[monmouth4]

9. She could be in trouble herself. One can only hope..n/t

[Kaleva]

14. Driving a minor across state line to commit a crime may get her into trouble

It's illegal in Wisconsin for a minor to be in possession of a long gun unless one has completed a hunter safety course and is out hunting.

[MineralMan]

18. I'd love to see her prosecuted.

However, I doubt that will happen.

[Baclava]

22. His mom drove hin? Where did you see that?

[monmouth4]

27. Trying to find the link. Will post as soon as I do..n/t

[cwydro]

38. Juvenile records are sealed.

As posted in the other thread, there’s another man with that name.

The other OP has amended his post.

[monmouth4]

41. I will do the same, cannot find a link..nt

[cwydro]

78. Thanks, I just want us to be better than them.

The guy is a cretin, but we don’t need to add anything to it. We don’t need to add anything anyway; he’s a murderer.

He’s already a hero to the right. The truth will come out eventually.

As I said in the other thread, besides the fact that juvenile records are sealed, the one thing about him disobeying a cop didn’t ring true.

He was a cop wannabe. At least now he won’t.

[monmouth4]

80. Absolutely. I read but no link, his Mother waited for him after the shooting and she rode him home.

[cwydro]

81. I'm still waiting to see a link to that, but if true, she's absolutely an accessory.

No doubt she’s being flooded with calls from rw lawyers dying to defend him.

[monmouth4]

82. I wonder if they're offering pro bono..LOL. n/t

[cwydro]

83. I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

I bet the attorneys for the smirking Sandeman made a bundle.

[CaptYossarian]

50. Even if they're charged as an adult?

[cwydro]

62. A thirteen year old with a misdemeanor?

Come on.

[CaptYossarian]

103. I was referring to the 17-year old who crossed state lines to murder 2 people.

I'll have to review the thread to find the 13-year old you're referring to.

[cwydro]

36. Can you provide a link to where you learned that?

You’re the third person who has posted that without source info.

[dalton99a]

2. The president repeatedly and consistently condemned all forms of violence.

A few weeks earlier, he attended a Trump rally in Des Moines, sitting in the front row and posting a TikTok video from the Jan. 30 event, BuzzFeed News reported. The video, which has since been deleted, appeared to match C-SPAN footage of Rittenhouse standing just to the left of the lectern, according to the news site.

The Trump campaign distanced itself from Rittenhouse and his video late on Wednesday, with spokesman Tim Murtaugh telling The Post that the president had “repeatedly and consistently condemned all forms of violence.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/

[MineralMan]

3. Yeah, right...condemned, except when he didn't.

The blame for that kid's actions falls directly on Trump's lap.

[iluvtennis]

28. + agree. nt

[MoonchildCA]

25. Yes, they repeatedly condemn it...

...after they repeatedly incite it.

[keithbvadu2]

5. Trumpsters love him.

[MineralMan]

7. Yes. That's Unsurprising.

Ann Coulter said nice things about him, too. Jebus!

[BKDem]

6. I think Stephen Miller should adopt the little lad...

...and put him on the road to a career of public service at ICE or CBP.

[MineralMan]

8. Birds of a feather.

[Texin]

23. Or there's always Matt Gaetz. He could see if he's available.

[GusBob]

10. As a Blue Lives Matter activist he will draw alot of attention on the cell block too

I'm sure they are gonna just love him

[Grasswire2]

12. yep

He has no idea what's in store for him.

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. And THIS is why basketball is protesting

They, like most level thinking Americans, are TIRED AS FUCK of it.

[FM123]

13. Just read that Ann Coulter tweeted she wants this kid to be president. Disgusting.

Repugs like her are playing a dangerous game of glorifying these crazies, armed copycats are watching and she knows it.

[MineralMan]

17. Yes, I saw that.

Shocking, but not unexpected.

[LastDemocratInSC]

70. I think Coulter is trying to just remain visible

by saying things that are outrageous. It keeps her visible, yes, but it doesn't make her relevant.

[Bengus81]

88. Skelator is still around? Haven't seen that piece of excrement in a long time

[plimsoll]

98. OK, I object. Skeletor was used to describe Slade Gorton.

His running bit made him really thin. Didn't like his politics, but he actually was a pretty nice individual. So No to Anne Colder == Skeletor.

Anne Colder, I've always liked that.
Anne Clovenhoof, works.

We can do better, but Slade gets to keep Skeletor, and we won't let Ms. Colder besmirch his memory.

[moose65]

99. There's only one nickname for her...

The Coultergeist 😃😃

[plimsoll]

100. ++

[Bengus81]

102. That nickname for that rag has been around for 10-15 years. Works for me....

[Miguelito Loveless]

15. These are the people Trump will summon

to "protect" the polls in November, and "defend" the White House when he loses.

[MineralMan]

16. That is a realistic fear, to be sure.

[BannonsLiver]

19. It's a miracle he didn't kill more

What few have talked about is after he shot the two people who were trying to subdue him after he shot the first guy, he got up, and continued to squeeze off rounds as he was walking away. I couldn’t tell what he was shooting at at that point. It appeared to be indiscriminate. It’s a miracle there weren’t 10 people killed. Some hero. He had already subdued those pursuing him yet kept on shooting, like a lunatic.

[Catherine Vincent]

71. Yes, I saw that and right wingers aren't talking about that!

[k2qb3]

85. I don't think so.

There was gunfire that wasn't coming from him at the time.

[IronLionZion]

20. He's being lionized on freeperville

saying he was in self defense against an angry mob of dangerous rioters. No mention of why he drove across state lines with his rifle to be there in Kenosha instead of staying home.

They're also saying there will be much more of this with President Biden trying to take away their guns.

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. These morons care to admit that has never happened, their guns taken away by a Dem administration.

Total lemmings.

[ancianita]

21. It's a truism of America that Donald Trump's America will always be smaller than America.

[MineralMan]

32. Indeed!

[RainCaster]

101. Smaller and dumber

[Cryptoad]

24. Seems the season has opened early in

WI for baggin' u one of them Liberal Anti Facist. They call it a Youth Season,,,,,

[Johonny]

26. It's Zimmerman all over again

And they'll love him. They'll love the shit out of him. Maybe he goes to jail, maybe. Trump likely pardons him either way. You see it coming.

[philf99]

29. Pardon?

I am not an expert but I believe this is a crime against the people of Wisconsin and not a federal crime that the US President can pardon.

Am I wrong?

[aggiesal]

35. Once you cross state lines, it becomes an FBI matter. ...

It does become Federal Jurisdiction.

That's how I understand it.

So Pendejo45 may have the ability to pardon this idiot.

Growing up in NW Indiana, we learned quickly that the gangsters from the 1920's Chicago would come into Indiana and rob the banks there, then retreat back into Chicago.
Since Indiana authorities had no jurisdiction in Illinois, the FBI had to be called in.

Thanks for all the responses. I'm no expert and I love learning new things and information.
My recollection was just how I remembered it.
Right or wrong, I'm just glad that they caught the person that did the killing.

[philf99]

40. Ok

There were Federal crimes committed but I still believe this is a state crime as murder normally is.

[Kaleva]

46. He's being extradited to Wi. so it remains a state matter.

There's a lady who lived not far from me who, with the help of her husband, murdered and barbecued her boyfriend which they served to friends. She fled to either Illinois or Indiana and was captured there. She was returned to Michigan and was found guilty and is now serving a life sentence in state prison.

[aggiesal]

68. Fried Green Tomatoes n/t

[renate]

86. OMG! That just happened (well, she was convicted) as recently as 2018! How did we not hear about it?

I would have thought that would be a national news story. That's so incredibly horrific.

[Kaleva]

89. Especially the part where the murdered boyfriend was fed to unsuspecting neighbors and friends

[NutmegYankee]

47. No, the murder charge is still a state matter

The feds could also charge him, but that would be in addition to his state charges.

[MineralMan]

52. I'm afraid you are incorrect.

While there could be a federal crime in there, regarding transporting across state lines, the murder charge is the one most likely to be brought, and that's a state offense.

The only federal law broken would be a transportation across state lines law.

[IronLionZion]

54. They probably chose state charges for murder for that reason

instead of federal charges like terrorism. Transporting the gun across state lines might be a separate federal charge but it's in Wisconsin's interest to keep the murder charge at the state level and out of Trump's control.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. The Illegal Gun Charge Is Definitely Federal

I'm not sure the murder charge is federal.
The crossing of state lines to commit a felony might be a whole other charge.
But, he was charged with murder in a Wisconsin court.

[stopdiggin]

73. you're confused on several points

state and federal crimes do not preclude one another. (certainly in play here, as I'll bet this goes up as murder 1) And -- even back in the day, there was such a thing as extradition. While fleeing jurisdiction is a time honored criminal tactic -- it does not render the victimized state powerless. Frustrated perhaps. But saying that your jurisdiction does not have the resources to pursue something (as is often pleaded) is not at all the same thing as saying the laws are not there.

[aggiesal]

74. I got it already, thanks for pointing it out again. ...

I updated my response to accept that I posted incorrect information, but that's how I remembered it and I stated that I'm no expert.

[MineralMan]

31. Trump can't pardon anyone convicted for a state crime.

The shooting happened in the state of Wisconsin, so if he is convicted there, Trump can't do a damned thing about it.

However, I suspect that after a year or two, he'll be allowed to plead out on a lesser charge. He is a white boy, after all. Something like manslaughter of a low grade. Just my guess.

[aggiesal]

39. See my post #35. n/t

[NutmegYankee]

48. You are mistaken.

The state still proceeds with their charges. Crossing the state line just allows additional charges from the federal level. It's the concept of "separate sovereigns".

[aggiesal]

49. I'm no expert, but that's how I understood it. Thanks. n/t

[NutmegYankee]

53. It was recently upheld in a SCOTUS case

On June 17, 2019, the US Supreme Court issued a 7-2 decision in Gamble v. United States, reaffirming the Court's longstanding "separate sovereigns" doctrine under the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution. First announced more than 170 years ago, the separate sovereigns doctrine permits the federal government and a state government to bring separate criminal prosecutions against the same person for the same conduct. Justice Alito's majority opinion relied on the Double Jeopardy Clause's text, which prohibits only duplicative prosecutions for "the same offence"—i.e., the violation of a particular law. Because each sovereign can define its own offenses, the Court explained that a single act can qualify as two separate "offences," because a person can violate different sovereigns' laws at the same time.

https://www.arnoldporter.com/en/perspectives/publications/2019/06/scotus-upholds-double-jeopardy-clause

[stopdiggin]

75. a neat semantic exercise

turning logic, and the plain meaning of the clause, on it's head. (IMO)

But thanks for the informative post. That's why DU works.
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[Johonny]

45. He'll pardon him anyway. Likely, like you said, after a year or two and the kids already left jail

It's Trump America. He did just pardon Susan B. Anthony, who is dead. The show is all that matters, not reality. He just pretended to extend unemployment checks. Reality is long dead. The MAGA on FOX has already picked sides. It's going to be an ugly trial.

[robbob]

30. I think just "Welcome to America" covers it...

tRump has stoked the flames like the lunatic he is, but in terms of black vs. white racial injustice this shit has been going on for a long, long time.

[ancianita]

43. Only if we Americans know America's strengths. Americans are at a turning point.

Local violent provocations -- either by police or militia white supremacists who take an unjust killing as their cue to show false power -- are an attempt at civil war momentum. Provocations are not indicative of real societal momentum.

The Nov 3 will be the better indicator of society's momentum. Then we'll know what lies ahead.

[augyboston]

34. African American Armed Black Lives Matter Protester Shoots and Kills Two White Militia

Can you imagine what would happen next and the reaction from Tucker the Fucker Carlson and the rest of the right?!?

[moondust]

37. It is what it is.

[smirkymonkey]

42. I can't even say what I hope this little POS's fate to be.

I would probably be banned for life.

[AllTooEasy]

90. I'll say it...Death Penalty

If this Black kid can be executed, this White kid can be executed: https://allthatsinteresting.com/george-stinney-jr

I know that my position isn’t liberal, but my frustration as a Black man is beginning to outweigh any pacifist sentiment towards these RWingers

[smirkymonkey]

95. +1000

[zed nada]

44. Why does it always seem to be the ones picked last for Dodge-ball???

Barr, Miller, Jared, Trump, this sad loser kid...

[MineralMan]

56. Including every sad sack militia idiot.

Looking at photos of typical militia gatherings, it's always a bunch of loser-looking guys.

[Initech]

55. I've said it time and time again.

Give an idiot a gun, don't be surprised when he does something stupid with it. And yes I'm playing the pronoun game because literally 10 times out of 10, the shooter is a white, sexually frustrated male with an egomaniacal complex and a short temper. Sound like someone we know?

[MineralMan]

57. Sounds like a lot of people I know of, really.

Like Donnie Jr. shooting elephants with his big pew-pew rifle.

[EX500rider]

91. If you mean regular homicides, then no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

[Dukkha]

59. So much wrong with America in this one incident

a 17 year-old child can acquire an assault weapon
an immature radicalized child
can murder two people and walk away to another state with impunity
the extremely toxic culture that created him lauds him as a hero
and everyone on the right and the non-existent "moderate conservative Republican" turns a blind eye to it all

[MineralMan]

60. Yes, exactly.

[gordianot]

61. If I remember Adam Lanza's Mother fed him a good dose of gun culture.

Driving your 17 year old armed with an assault rifle to a protest is just as irresponsible. She should share in this horror and is just as responsible for these deaths.

[NNadir]

63. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

[bucolic_frolic]

64. Is a bounty being paid? Because, you know ...

maybe tolerance for violence against our troops is coming home.

[Sogo]

65. Not sure why you are calling a 17-year-old an incel....

Maybe you don't know what that means.....

Incel = involuntary celebate.


He's 17!!

[stopdiggin]

76. true. probably not a great descriptor

for a 17 yr old. On the other hand -- have heard him labeled as a boogaloo boy as well. Also kind of a stretch? I think it might kind of boil down to who you're hanging with. Whose message are you inhaling? Already know the kid was a blue line and militia buff .... What else is he smoking?

(incidentally -- what "militia" is allowing a kid barely old enough to drive -- to "hang" with them? with a full clip?)

[progree]

84. Yup. And not sure smearing involuntary celibates of any age is appropriate - there are tens of

millions of adults of both genders who are, and only a very small fraction are misogynists or misandrists. Many for medical conditions (look at any prescription medicine for any serious condition and damn near all of them list urinary and sexual side effects), yes, some have mental or cognitive issues that prevent them from making close encounters, or rarely, e.g. some autistics, not sure these are the people progressive people should be demonizing.

Some have ethical issues too, yeah I'd like to have more sex myself, but I refuse for ethical reasons to do misogynist things like spewing a lot of smooth-talking bullshit and pretend to be a long-term relationship prospect in order to get laid and keep getting laid. Just a Golden Rule thing I guess.

And there is a hell of a lot more involuntary celibates during Covid times.

[Calculating]

87. Agreed

Why drag incels into this? The vast majority of them are truly unfortunate cases and never harm anyone. To be incel due to looks/mental issues/etc is truly a terrible fate I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[Kablooie]

66. Exactly what I predicted the night it happened.

Trump's MAGA minions are salivating over the possibility of murdering liberals without fear of retribution.

Lynching of African Americans will soon expand to lynching of liberals and it will be ignored by Trump's authorities.

This is what we are in for if Trump wins again.

[llashram]

67. the kid will get a slap on the wrist

through some legal loophole. Simple manslaughter, maybe but I just feel in my gut, since overnight he's a big sensation, a hero of all militia's white supremacist members, he'll walk. And his mother or whoever drove him to that protest, too.

The police are a lost cause unless some 'decent', if this is possible, police start outing these murderers full of racist hate. Normal trumpers these days.

[stopdiggin]

77. kinda' think this goes the other way

no prosecutor I know is even thinking of pleading this down. And -- possibility of overcharging? (and I have no idea what that looks like -- but DAs and prosecutors can be fairly inventive!)
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[llashram]

96. I do so hope you're right

[budkin]

69. Russian bots on twitter are spreading this crap like wildfire

Sowing more division per par.

[czarjak]

72. And Ann ain't kiddin'...

[pwb]

79. This punk looks like he was ready to do much more damage.

I mean mass. He just could not wait with trump giving the o k.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

92. I don't want to be here...

[Dreampuff]

93. Remember when Trump said

" What have you got to lose?" Now we know the answer. The sanity of this country.

[warmfeet]

94. Not the America I want, nor dreamed of.

I think we may be at an inflection point. I hope the curve bends towards justice. I am working towards that outcome.

[rpannier]

97. Why be surprised

One of the heroes of those losers is Marc Lépine
Marc Lépine and the École Polytechnique Massacre
Lépine killed 14 women, shot and injured 10 other women and 4 men
Lépine claimed he was fighting feminism
Nothing these pathetic losers do surprise me