If MSNBC continues to have Morning Joe and Mika, that is not good ...

[akbacchus_BC]

I wish these two would go away like two bad pennies. A leopard never changes its skin. These two, along with the other media coverage, were instrumental in getting the pos in office and help his corrupt administration to bring down America, a country that many other countries looked up to and the minute the UN or WHO not in agreement with the pos, he withdraws funding. No intelligent or progressive leader behaves that way. Fucking idiot always takes his ball and goes home.

Voting is not an option now, it is a necessity in order to get Biden/Harris elected.

[Magoo48]

1. Don't watch them, their ratings go down, they are moved or dropped, problem solved.

[akbacchus_BC]

5. I only watch as I thought they would change their tune

and be more advocates for the Democratic Party but it seems it is the same old shit like 2016 when Mika was so against Mrs. Clinton. Same shit just another year. These two are yet to convince me that they now support Democrats.

[Magoo48]

64. It's infuriating, they only really care about ratings.

[Towlie]

71. How is anyone going to know whether or not I'm watching Morning Joe and Mika?

My cable box is almost always on MSNBC and stays on all the time. I sometimes switch my TV to Netflix, Amazon Prime, or some other Wi-Fi connected source, and I shut it off at night, but as far as my cable box knows I watch MSNBC 24/7.

[doc03]

2. There is Karnacki telling how whites are turning against BLM. I watch Morning Joe more than any

program on MSNBC. I turn it on to get the morning political headlines. In the evening I have just tuned out all the others
on MSNBC simply because I am sick and tired of hearing the same thing every night about the USPS and COVID. I just have to tune it out for my sanity. I have been watching Netflix mostly just for an escape. I don't like Karnacki because he always goes out of his way to find something negative in the polls for Democrats.

[Iliyah]

4. Karnacki is full of it . .

Joe S keeps telling me about Ronald Reagan and how the democrats labelled him as crazy and other things. Ronald Reagan was not a good president but way better than what the republicans have in there now who is illegal.

[brooklynite]

17. Are you saying that's factually untrue?

That's what polls indicate. I've never understood why people blame the messenger for news they don't like.

Support For Black Lives Matter Surged During Protests, But Is Waning Among White Americans

The recent protests against police brutality are some of the largest and most widespread in American history. An estimated 15 million to 26 million Americans have taken to the streets to protest police violence and advocate for Black lives.

The remarkable size and scope of these demonstrations has translated into real policy gains, too. Dozens of state and local police reforms have been enacted since the protests started. And at the federal level, President Trump signed an executive order that outlines his administration’s priorities for police reform, including creating a national database that catalogues police misconduct. The House of Representatives passed an even more ambitious piece of legislation that proposes a series of reforms, like tying federal funding to bans on chokeholds and setting up a task force to address excessive police force, but the GOP-controlled Senate hasn’t taken it up.

Arguably, though, the protests’ impact on public opinion has been even more immediate and wide-ranging. Unfavorable views of the police, acknowledgement of widespread discrimination against African Americans and support for Black Lives Matter all jumped up by at least 10 percentage points, according to tracking polls conducted shortly before and after the protests by both Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape and Civiqs.

These changes in public opinion are being driven in large part by white Americans, who for years have been much less likely than Black Americans to acknowledge that racial inequality remains a real problem. Since the first wave of large-scale Black Lives Matter protests in 2014, white Americans’ racial attitudes have gradually become more liberalized while Black Americans’ views have remained relatively steady.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/support-for-black-lives-matter-surged-during-protests-but-is-waning-among-white-americans/

[doc03]

76. I don't need him tell me every time a building is set

on fire or a store looted Trump gets closer to being re-elected. It seems like he always can come up with a dark cloud.

[USALiberal]

20. His job is not to lie to make you happy! nt

[Celerity]

35. +1000

[radius777]

21. He was just reporting the Wisconsin polling on this issue.

But the panel explained that it doesn't automatically mean that Trump/GOP benefits, as other polls show that voters view Trump as a agent of chaos. He's also the president and swing voters tend to blame the person/party in charge for anything.

Joe is still ahead in Wisconsin, we need to see what new polls (taken during/after these events) show, to get a better picture of this.

[akbacchus_BC]

34. I don't know who is Karnacki? Is he the guy who led us to believe that

Mrs. Clinton was sure to win in 2016? The guy in the Khaki pants, Ted Kernacki??

[Vinca]

3. I like the show for the most part. I do still blame them for their part in the coronation of the

idiot, but I think they've changed their spots and seen the error of their ways. My never miss shows are Nicole Wallace and Rachel Maddow. The only one I got out of my way to avoid is anything with Chuck Todd in it.

[Trumpocalypse]

6. They have not seen the error of their ways

The only reason they are against Trump now is because he refused to give them jobs in his administration and they want revenge.

[akbacchus_BC]

23. I had no idea that they were retaliating against trump because he did

not employ them. That seems like a far stretch! I honestly believe that they were disgusted with trump's policies.

[Trumpocalypse]

28. Not a far stretch but the truth

Joe wanted a cabinet post and MEka wanted to be press secretary. They felt Trump owed them. They went to his New Year’s Eve party in Florida to ask him but he refused. It has nothing to do with policy. It is just their personal grudge.

[akbacchus_BC]

33. I am not privy to that information. I don't think that is the reason

why they stopped supporting trump, but I could be wrong. Trump is downright horrible. Politics make for strange bed fellows!

[Trumpocalypse]

39. You are wrong

This is well known within NBC and Trump even confirmed it in one of his tweets.

[akbacchus_BC]

44. trump lies all the time, so why should I believe trump's tweets.

Tweets by trump is no indication of his leadership, he is a pos.

[Trumpocalypse]

46. True

But as I said this incident is well know inside NBC and has been floating around on the web for years. Trump's tweet just confirms it.

[themaguffin]

66. No, it's not "well known." They are aholes, but I don't buy it.

unless there is details to prove it.

Again, they are assholes and the show would be infinitely better without them.

[Trumpocalypse]

67. It is well known within NBC

as was their affair.

[CTyankee]

70. Where did you learn that? I never even heard of it.

[Trumpocalypse]

75. Initially from friends at NBC in NYC

But have also seen it on the web. And Trump's tweet does kind of confirm it.

[akbacchus_BC]

9. When Joe and Mika changed their tunes against trump,

I started watching them again. However, I got the feeling that once VP Biden picked a running mate, they are going to go negative once again. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I just want them to be fair to VP Biden/Harris. If trump gets elected for another four years, we could kiss democracy goodbye. The damage trump has done in close to four years will take about ten years to correct the situation especially in a pandemic, hurricanes and fires.

Let us keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best. If America fails, the world will fail miserably. No other country can replace America, not even Germany. God help us if NK, Russia and China come together to suppress democracy.

[empedocles]

14. We need all the help we can get. The purists way is dangerous. In 1968

the economy was booming, Left wing groupings, manage to lose it. Costly for decades.

'Overall, Nixon won 43.4 percent of the vote to Humphrey’s 42.7 percent, and Wallace captured 13.5 percent. Nixon’s margin nearly quadrupled that by which John Kennedy had defeated Nixon in 1960, but it was still the second smallest margin in 76 years.
United States presidential election of 1968 - General ...
www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1968/General-election-campaign'.

Riots, exploited, is what trumpers are looking at. The nixon playbook.

[akbacchus_BC]

19. I agree about getting all the help plus we need allies. Times have changed

since the 60s but it seems as if we are regressing politically, hence we need to embrace any help we could get. If America were to continue on this destructive path with trump in the helm, it would take years for America to recover even if Dems took control.

[akbacchus_BC]

24. I share your sentiment about MJ/Mika. I like Nicole Wallace, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell.

I don't really care for Chuck Todd, he is too flaky to me. I also like Chris Hayes.

[GeorgeGist]

7. Unwatchable ...

Joe and Mika's incessant yammering about stuff most of us could could cover in a paragraph.

[akbacchus_BC]

10. Not to mention two hours of yammering. I just hope they can reach out to

their supporters to go out and vote.

[empedocles]

8. Elections are won with the middle of the electorate. M Joe is in the middle.

'Morning Joe - June, July & August 2020 Ratings
Rebecca Bunch Monday, June 01, 2020cable ratings database Daily cable ratings database Morning Joe ratings MSNBC ratings

Below are the ratings for the June 2020 airings of NBC's staple morning news program, Morning Joe, airing from 6am to 9am daily. Hosted by Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski and Willie Geist, the show debuted on MSNBC in 2007 and has been a strong viewership performer since.'

M Joe is doing strong work for the Dems. [This trashing M Joe is . . . ]

[Joy Reid is not doing well].

Dems need to decide if they want to win in November, and have a chance to win big or play the BS type 'Nov 4 scenario'

[akbacchus_BC]

13. I will have to agree with you. I like Morning Joe of late but

cannot help remembering how Mika thrashed Mrs. Clinton in 2016. I am not saying that her thrashing caused Mrs. Clinton to lose, there were outside interference. Just hoping that trump will not get elected.

[empedocles]

26. When JB opened the Dem Convention with 4 Republicans, it was because

that's the kind of needs we have to be effective in November - no way those 4 passed any kind of purist test.

[akbacchus_BC]

37. Its Politics, Dems are more above board and I don't feel that the enemy of my enemy

is my friend. But if Dems feel that trotting out republicans at their Convention, then it is their choice. The only one I did not want to see speaking was Powell, weapons of mass destruction, a fucking liar whose lies is still affecting the Middle East. Just goes to show that politics is 'what it is'. Trotting out Powell was not a plus for Dems.

[empedocles]

41. WWII was won with stalin on our side. We gave him tanks, etc.

That was our 'choice'!

LBJ passed the enormous Civil Rights legislations, etc., with the necessary help of racist Southern Committee Chairman!

[The 1968 'activist' legacies were an unnecessary 1968 Presidential loss, and major voting losses for decades].

[tavernier]

11. Then don't watch.

I happen to appreciate the fact that they are out every morning and kicking trumps ass. Whether it is to make up for their mistakes of the past or whatever, I don’t care, I very much appreciate what they’re saying and doing now. I wish that Republicans would watch him every morning.

[akbacchus_BC]

15. I only watch as I wanted to figure out if they had really changed their opinions.

Republicans wont watch MJ, they only look at faux noise, trust me, I know first hand from visiting a family member in Florida.

[JI7]

12. Why do you watch ?

[akbacchus_BC]

16. Because I thought they are now on our side.

[brooklynite]

53. If "being on our side" means "promoting Biden and opposing Trump", then they are...

[quickesst]

18. after about 20 similar posts....

.... Maybe this will be the one I actually get a reply to. Not counting on it, but one can hope. Some people act as though if not for Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, Trump would not have been elected. That is just laughable at best.


Despite his past,short-lived support of trump, Joe Scarborough, who is no longer a republican, has done more for the Democratic Party the last almost 4 years than all of his detractors here combined. Let me know about all the national platforms DU members have provided for the likes of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Claire McCaskill, Eric Swalwell, and on and on, then I will retract my claim. Show me the millions of people the combined DU Scarborough detractors have reached in exposing the trump criminal gang, and I will retract my claim. I let go of the petty animosity a long time ago, and personally applaud Scarborough for what he is doing, especially the effort to make the case for a Joe Biden presidency. It's another little piece of hate I no longer have the burden of carrying, and the thought of carrying a long-term petty obsession never crossed my mind. The Morning Joe crowd will be around for as long as they want to be, and all of those Democrats who I have mentioned, and many more probably disagree with the Morning Joe detractors, otherwise, why would they appear on his show, agree with him on many points, and take advantage of a national platform to further the Democratic party's cause?

[radius777]

25. +1. And because it comes from a centrist perspective,

it has far more power to move swing voters and suburbanites to our side.

[quickesst]

40. thanks

I guess it completely baffles me how some people can hold on to a hatred for 4 years after the hated has spent almost all of those 4 years providing platforms for Democrats we support and trust. How can anyone honestly support those Democrats if they do not trust their decision to appear on Joe Scarborough's show?

[empedocles]

30. Some Lincoln historical perspective on what it takes to win

'As the leader of moderate Republicans, Lincoln had to navigate a contentious array of factions with friends and opponents on both sides. War Democrats rallied a large faction of former opponents into his moderate camp, but they were countered by Radical Republicans, who demanded harsh treatment of the Southern traitors. Anti-war Democrats (called "Copperheads&quot despised him, and irreconcilable pro-Confederate elements plotted his assassination. Lincoln managed the factions by exploiting their mutual enmity, by carefully distributing political patronage, and by appealing to the U.S. people. His Gettysburg Address became a historic clarion call for nationalism, republicanism, equal rights, liberty, and democracy.' - Wiki

[Hmmm]

[Tom Traubert]

36. OT: Good read on the Copperhead movement.

https://www.historynet.com/cwt-book-review-copperheads.htm

[empedocles]

45. All the those historical ghosts were still around in 1968 and, . . . in 2016 and 2020

[akbacchus_BC]

31. I am not casting stones at MJ, however, I cannot forget how Mika was so negative

against Mrs. Clinton in 2016. They did not cost her the Presidency, there were outside interference, voter suppression, etc.

If they are on our side now, that is wonderful. My apologies if I came across too strong.

[quickesst]

49. "I wish these two would go away like two bad pennies."

I think that's a pretty strong statement. I offered a different perspective on that notion I hope you will consider. I simply contend that almost 4 years of pro-Democratic /anti trump rhetoric on a national stage far outweighs a few months of bad judgment. For this campaign, and for this election, they are on our side, but I understand that there are times when it's hard to let go of something. Yours is Mika brzezinski's criticisms of Hillary Clinton. Well, I'll admit I've got one too. No matter how popular she gets among Democrats, I will never forgive or support, Randi "Hillary Is A Fucking Whore" Rhodes. Hillary Clinton, in my eyes, is a national treasure, and would have been one of the best presidents this country has ever seen.

[USALiberal]

22. FFS, so you want MSNBC to be our version of Fox News, make up shit? nt

[akbacchus_BC]

27. Are you ok?

[USALiberal]

29. LOL, answer the question! You need to stop watching any "news" I guess! nt

[akbacchus_BC]

32. I never said I wanted MSNBC to be a version of faux noise! Why are you assuming that?

If I said that I don't trust MJ/Mika from past experience, how does that translate to my wanting MSNBC to be faux noise? You can correct me if am wrong.

[MrsCoffee]

38. No, we want shows more like Rachel and less from "ex"-Republicans and Trump fluffers.

That’s asking for so much?



Joe and Mika helped that fucker get elected.

[empedocles]

43. I love Rachel, but MJoe brings more November votes.

Wish we had more good, higher rated hosts for the network evening news shows.

[akbacchus_BC]

47. Exactly, that was the point of my post. I still don't trust them.

Those two hang their mouths where the soup is leaking. I need more than a few MJ shows as of now to assure me that they are on our side. Once bitten, twice shy.

[USALiberal]

62. You want the Lincoln Project to stop what they are doing also? nt

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Joe still makes up stuff about Bill Clinton

MEka repeated the same lie twice in regard to AOC recently. If they could get a gig at FAUX News, they would jump at it.

[akbacchus_BC]

48. Faux noise is not gonna pay them more than MSNBC. Plus MSNBC is a more reputable

Network. Those two would never leave unless their contracts are not renewed.

[Towlie]

74. Sorry, no. MSNBC is more honest, professional, and trustworthy, but not more reputable.

A Reputation is a measure of what people believe.

Reputation: "the beliefs or opinions that are generally held about someone or something."

Fox News has the highest ratings and that makes it the most reputable. Of course this doesn't say anything good about Fox News, it only means that they're the least ethical and therefore most successful at exploiting the embarrassingly large number of gullible viewers among our nation's population.

[CTyankee]

56. What was the "stuff about Clinton" that they repeated? I watch them every morning and I didn't

hear it...

[Trumpocalypse]

58. Nothing recently

But he has said in the past that Clinton officials lied to Congress several times when that has never been alleged by anyone else as well as claiming that Clinton was disbarred which he wasn't.

[CTyankee]

59. Did the Arkansas Bar just reprimand him instead? trying to remember...

[Trumpocalypse]

60. As part of an overall settlement

Clinton surrendered his law license for 5 years, but he was never disbarred as Joe has claimed on several occasions.

[CTyankee]

61. I don't think he can argue a case before the Supreme Court as well...IIRC...

[Trumpocalypse]

63. He surrendered that too

Again as part of an overall settlement. However, he is free to reapply at any time which he wouldn't be able to do if he had been disbarred.

[CTyankee]

68. I liked Clinton and voted for him. However, he was in charge of his own "downfall."

I do not buy it that Monica was equally to blame. He was the most powerful man in the world at the time and could have stopped her with one word to his people. She was foolish and stupid and young. I don't know what she was thinking. But he could easily have avoided all of that.

[Trumpocalypse]

77. Agreed

Clinton did something bad. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that. But the point here is that he was never disbarred as Joe has said many times.

[Demsrule86]

50. They attack Trump everyday...if you don't like them than don't watch them.

[Marrah_Goodman]

51. I like morning joe.

[brooklynite]

52. Keep watching!

How else will you know how bad they are?

[cwydro]

55. Lol.

[helpisontheway]

54. I watch but I know exactly who they are...

they are pissed at Trump because he said Mika had plastic surgery and insinuated Joe was responsible for the intern’s murder. They are also mad because he leaked info about them dating when they were pretending to only be co-hosts. I have no doubt that they will return to nitpicking and bashing Dems if Biden wins. I honestly don’t care at this point. We just need to get Biden in the White House.

[pwb]

57. You were never wrong and realized it?

A lot of people gave trump a chance and deeply regret it today.

[BannonsLiver]

65. They're both dopes.

[nolabear]

69. We need to hear people outside the echo chamber. I will never oppose that.

I'll confess to being West Coast so never see them in real time. But I see clips and references, and I know people hate hearing them questioning things we agree with, bringing in people who represent people need to know about. We need to see them.

I don't agree with them a lot of the time but I respect that they're there and we're not Fox.

[Nexus2]

72. I like Morning Joe

Being an early riser I catch it almost every day and I find Joe, Mika and the rest of the cast personable and entertaining. While I don't agree with all their views and they're not perfect, that goes for just about anyone.They feel genuine, which is something I like from Maddow and Allen too. And I like hearing views from folks that don't see things just like I do. The show offers some initial views on early headlines, presented in a manner I find informative and not too heavily influenced one way or another.

[sarcasmo]

73. Turn that garbage off.

[llashram]

78. this

Watched a couple of times in 2015-16, never again except some excepts with vids here. They are snakes in the grass, same as Susan Collins. I never trusted either one