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brooklynite

(94,352 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:24 AM Aug 2020

Charlie Cook: Many Are Afraid To Say It, but This Is Not a Close Race

Cook Political Report

As Joe Biden was preparing to give his presidential nomination acceptance speech Thursday night, for me like so many others it was a time to reflect on where the race stands. I was thinking about the the Hans Christian Anderson fable “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” which many have cited in writings and cartoons criticizing President Trump. Each has put a slightly different contemporary spin on the 1837 story, in which a pair of swindlers convince a vain king that they could weave fabulous clothes for him with a magic fabric that could not be seen by anyone who was stupid or incompetent. The king commissioned the faux-tailors to make him a suit of clothes, checking on their work, watching the pair at their looms as they pretended to weave, not letting on that he could not see the fabric, lest people think him a fool. Once presented with the “clothes,” he strutted through the streets wearing nothing, no one letting on that they, too, could not see the clothes. Finally, a young boy cries out, “But he has nothing on!”

I think about the story in the context of this election, but not in a way that compares Trump to the king. Rather, I think about it in terms of the political analysts, pollsters, and pundits who refuse to state publicly what the data plainly show: that it is very, very unlikely Trump will win 270 electoral votes and the election.

Blame the election of 2016. Virtually everyone but the most die-hard Trump backers that year felt he would lose. Few forecasters thought it was possible for a candidate to lose the national popular vote by over 2 percentage points (nearly 3 million votes) and still win enough states to reach 270 electoral votes. You had to go back to 1876, when Samuel Tilden won the popular vote by 3 points yet lost the electoral vote 185 to 184, to see a similar scenario play out.

Between 1876 and 2016, the popular vote and the Electoral College diverged only two other times: in 1888, when Grover Cleveland won the popular vote by eight-tenths of a point but lost to Benjamin Harrison, and 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote by a half-point but George W. Bush won the electoral vote on a 537-vote win in Florida.

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Charlie Cook: Many Are Afraid To Say It, but This Is Not a Close Race (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2020 OP
Tell them Charlie malaise Aug 2020 #1
He is going to lose...terrible response to Covid, an econonomic debacle...civil unrest really egged Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #13
Yeah, well lets not get ahead of ourselves and call it so, until the Pig concedes... Thomas Hurt Aug 2020 #2
He may never concede...but he will be out of the White House just the same. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #14
Who cares if he concedes? The election can be certified without his concession. Kahuna Aug 2020 #33
Concede? Oscarthegreat Aug 2020 #89
They are presupposing a "fair" election exboyfil Aug 2020 #3
2012 was closer than people think NewJeffCT Aug 2020 #5
The GOP was making Obamacare to be a bogeyman Norbert Aug 2020 #19
Problem is Trump is a cheater who will do/say anything to win. radius777 Aug 2020 #4
He's already doing/done "everything" to win. jaxexpat Aug 2020 #54
My faith in democracy, the American people and the electoral process Yeehah Aug 2020 #6
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #20
Maybe "representation without taxation(intrinsic value)" is its own kind of tyranny. jaxexpat Aug 2020 #57
yes, down with the Electoral College RicROC Aug 2020 #62
That's the Nebraska unicameral legislative model jayschool2013 Aug 2020 #64
I could support having a senate with 6-year terms Yeehah Aug 2020 #76
Any state with only one House Rep. should have only one Senator. argyl Aug 2020 #68
The Senate should be apportioned exactly like the House of Representatives Glorfindel Aug 2020 #78
I've been waiting 4 years to cast a vote against that asshole. ego_nation Aug 2020 #7
That's cute edhopper Aug 2020 #8
So what are you saying is that we should all stay home and give up...the Donald is bound to win Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #16
Why do you keep doing this?? That poster said nothing of the sort!! Squinch Aug 2020 #28
That is what it sounds like to me...you are cute for believing we can win because massive Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #34
Sorry, but it is effectively what he's saying kcr Aug 2020 #36
No, really, it isn't. Not even close. Squinch Aug 2020 #56
Even with some cheating, it will not be close. Traitor trump and his band of idiots are getting amuse bouche Aug 2020 #65
Not at all edhopper Aug 2020 #58
Read the OP edhopper Aug 2020 #55
Yep yep. That's my concern. Dios Mio Aug 2020 #35
Here's the key takeaway Chichiri Aug 2020 #9
The Biden campaign has a new meme out...sending mail..."How will you vote". They are on this. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #17
The deliberate, malicious destruction of the USPS plus gerrymandering may result in a "win"... Hekate Aug 2020 #10
And it isn't going to work this time...they tried every dirty trick in 18 and we still took the Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #18
Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the Presidential election obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #48
I'll relax the day Joe is inaugurated. Squinch Aug 2020 #11
Don't relax...work the campaign. But please people (not saying you) stop with the demoralizing Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #21
Jesus. No one is saying "we can't win because we can't win." Except you. Squinch Aug 2020 #23
Fine...it just raises my blood pressure to hear how massive cheating will cause us to lose. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #37
Mnay posters keep implying that obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #49
Me, too. From what little I could stand to watch of the CONvention, especially the last two nights, calimary Aug 2020 #80
All of this. I agree with all of this. I think we will win. But I don't think it will be Squinch Aug 2020 #81
agreed x a billion ! nt steve2470 Aug 2020 #88
traitortrump is not all about 'the race', or the polls, or Electoral College. trump will settle for empedocles Aug 2020 #12
There is no way that will happen ...if he loses on November 6th, he is out. Just stop it. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #22
I do think the Republic will hold. I do hope the Election will have the Dems decisively won. empedocles Aug 2020 #32
No one says we are 'certain' but it is very likely Trump will lose in a landslide given his terrible Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #38
And? The White House has nothing to do with the election obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author empedocles Aug 2020 #15
If all the votes had been counted in FL in 2000 in a fair, statewide recount, Gore would have won. Chiyo-chichi Aug 2020 #24
Like Hillary says, Joe should not concede under any circumstances until all votes are counted. Squinch Aug 2020 #25
Thank you! Ferrets are Cool Aug 2020 #31
"I think about it in terms of the political analysts, pollsters, and pundits who refuse to state..." Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #26
+1000 exactly Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #40
The 2018 midterms turnout the turnout for the primaries... Satch59 Aug 2020 #27
This is exactly what I think also. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #41
Charlie Cook is one of the best and most unbiased political analysts out there Poiuyt Aug 2020 #29
We MUST act as though we are 5 points behind Ferrets are Cool Aug 2020 #30
Acting like we are five points behind and working the campaign great...but opining that we are Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #43
Here's the mantra: We are ahead, but it MUST be a blowout. Vote like your life depends on it. tinrobot Aug 2020 #69
Works for me...let send Trump packing with a truly humiliating defeat. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #72
It could go either way, IMO Ferrets are Cool Aug 2020 #85
Biden is +3.7 in the battleground states. Calista241 Aug 2020 #39
The conventions are just the outer rain bands - There's a Category 4 campaign ahead. Klaralven Aug 2020 #42
Do not become over-confident Shoonra Aug 2020 #44
My tea leaves bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #45
The race begins and ends on November 3rd. No one is ahead yet. dsharp88 Aug 2020 #46
he is so right. This race is a blowout Roc2020 Aug 2020 #47
After 2016 Woodwizard Aug 2020 #50
Cook is the gold standard BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #51
Yup, agree obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #61
Sabato is awesome too BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #84
Lots of 'gold standard' people got in wrong in 2016. radius777 Aug 2020 #79
Breaking: This isn't 2016 BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #83
I would bet that many of us have PTSD from 2016. love_katz Aug 2020 #53
Thx for posting!! It's needed this morning. I have this article bookmarked for when I'm down Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #59
What worries me is that Republicans have bit yet jumped ship. What do they know? Also Trump legal Pepsidog Aug 2020 #60
It is too late for them. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #73
Biden has amassed a team of 600 attorneys to deal with any shenanigans they will throw at him Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #75
Really! I didn't know he had already put that team together. That is great to hear. Squinch Aug 2020 #82
Happy to hear that. Pepsidog Aug 2020 #86
That's because it ain't over 'til it's over. JHB Aug 2020 #63
Nice analysis thanks for sharing LostinRed Aug 2020 #66
Hillary was kicking his fat ass 4 years ago so take nothing for granted. IronLionZion Aug 2020 #67
No she wasn't. Hillary after being destroyed by the GOP attacks never had the numbers Joe has. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #74
If you say so IronLionZion Aug 2020 #77
Charlie Cook is usually spot on, but there are additional factors to be counted in DFW Aug 2020 #70
The m$m lives a horse race. They'll keep feeding that scenario to iluvtennis Aug 2020 #71
We cannot be complacent !!!! steve2470 Aug 2020 #87

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
13. He is going to lose...terrible response to Covid, an econonomic debacle...civil unrest really egged
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:51 AM
Aug 2020

on by Trump...The dire America that Trump speaks of if Biden wins is what Trump has already created...Trump is not not Nixon...he is Humphrey.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
33. Who cares if he concedes? The election can be certified without his concession.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:49 AM
Aug 2020

If he wants to be dragged out of the White House, even better.

 

Oscarthegreat

(121 posts)
89. Concede?
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 02:08 PM
Aug 2020

Unfortunately there is no scenario in which the Orange Turd would concede. We will be living in a new reality after November 3rd, one way or the other.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
3. They are presupposing a "fair" election
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:28 AM
Aug 2020

The only hope is to run up the score (like 2012 when I think they already had the 2004 Ohio plan ready to roll). You can tell by Karl Rove's reaction. Under the surface they knew to not pull the trigger because of the possibility of being exposed for no good reason.

In addition to the three firewall states, we need one or two others to have a chance.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
5. 2012 was closer than people think
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:40 AM
Aug 2020

Obama won Florida by less than 1%, Ohio by less than 3% and Virginia by less than 4%

Biden needs to beat the Obama 2008 margins - like Clinton 1996, Bush 1988 type margins.

Norbert

(6,038 posts)
19. The GOP was making Obamacare to be a bogeyman
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:02 AM
Aug 2020

It was one thing they could run on, and of course on the RW fringes, he was a black man.

The Dems are running on the inept COVID-19 response, racial unrest, the depressed economy and the fact that the orange anus is in serious need of a personality transplant.

I personally am not worried whether Biden/Harris will win, just be how much. I want as convincing a win as we can get.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
4. Problem is Trump is a cheater who will do/say anything to win.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:31 AM
Aug 2020

We saw what happened in 2016, and we see what's happening w/the USPS.

So many take the polls w/a grain of salt, knowing we need margin of victory that overcome the 'cheating factor'.

Also national polls are not as important, as the election will come down to 6 or so swing states.

jaxexpat

(6,803 posts)
54. He's already doing/done "everything" to win.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:26 AM
Aug 2020

The automated mail sorters are STILL off line and "no overtime/schedule first, cost saving mandates" are still the guidelines the USPS works by today. This despite the "good scolding" from the House of Representatives given to the postmaster general. He's NOT undoing the damage he has done. He's sitting pretty, thumbing his entitled nose at Democrats, in full knowledge that the USPS is broken where it will certainly count, in the swing states and anywhere voters will vote by mail. Unless he is forced to correct the plan he's implemented the USPS will still be BROKEN in November. And it gets worse, some of the sorting machinery has been dismantled and trashed, as in dumpsters full of sorting machinery. I'm guessing there will be NO WAY to get those sorters replaced in time for election day.

This election is FAR from a done deal. Too many in those critical swing states still intend to vote by mail. I think that's exactly what Trump is hoping for.

Yeehah

(4,568 posts)
6. My faith in democracy, the American people and the electoral process
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:40 AM
Aug 2020

was shaken as I saw George AWOL Bush sworn in twice and nazi Trump sworn in.

I would like to see the outdated electoral college eliminated and the requirement of two senators for pieces of real estate eliminated. Perhaps states with a population below a certain threshold should have only one senator.

RicROC

(1,203 posts)
62. yes, down with the Electoral College
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:33 AM
Aug 2020

along with the Senate. The Senate has outlived its purpose. OR combine it with the House of Representatives with 4 year terms for the 'Senators'. The total representatives would remain the same, except that two positions are reserved for the 'Senators'

jayschool2013

(2,311 posts)
64. That's the Nebraska unicameral legislative model
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:39 AM
Aug 2020

One big house, that's it. The only check is the governor's veto.

Yeehah

(4,568 posts)
76. I could support having a senate with 6-year terms
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:05 PM
Aug 2020

but apportioned by population. Still kind of an upper house but apportioned fairly by population.

Glorfindel

(9,719 posts)
78. The Senate should be apportioned exactly like the House of Representatives
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:18 PM
Aug 2020

That would provide each state with at least one Senator, but California, for example, would have 53 senators, elected to six-year terms, giving it the clout it deserves in Congress. Wyoming, the least populous state, would have one senator and one representative. This, of course, will never happen. It makes too much sense.

ego_nation

(123 posts)
7. I've been waiting 4 years to cast a vote against that asshole.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:46 AM
Aug 2020

I’m doing it regardless of what the polls say. It’s cathartic.

And I’m sure I’m far from being the only one who feels this way. Nobody is going to rest on their laurels in this election.

edhopper

(33,480 posts)
8. That's cute
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:46 AM
Aug 2020

pretending that the election will be fair and they will allow everyone to vote and then count all the votes.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
16. So what are you saying is that we should all stay home and give up...the Donald is bound to win
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:57 AM
Aug 2020

because he is so smart and all- Every election since Trump won in 16 has gone our way. We have a deadly pandemic with 180,000 dead and economy on life support. It won't be close. You know what is not cute? That would be doom and gloom which depresses the vote. If people think as you do why would they bother to go to the polls?

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
34. That is what it sounds like to me...you are cute for believing we can win because massive
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:52 AM
Aug 2020

cheating will defeat us no matter what the polls say...how am I misreading this post? I work elections every year and if people feel hopeless, they don't vote.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
65. Even with some cheating, it will not be close. Traitor trump and his band of idiots are getting
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:43 AM
Aug 2020

wiped off the map

edhopper

(33,480 posts)
55. Read the OP
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:28 AM
Aug 2020

saying it isn't a close race when the GOP will cheat in every way they can is what is damaging. Not me saying it's will take all we have to win.
Keep telling people it's in the bag and see what happens.

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
9. Here's the key takeaway
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:46 AM
Aug 2020
Yes, there are things that could tilt this race: shenanigans at the Postal Service, voter confusion about how to vote, states' inability to process and count ballots on time, to name a few. But the race has to get much closer before these can possibly make a difference in a few key states.

Trump was the candidate of change in 2016. Now, Americans are very unhappy with where the country is and how he has handled his tenure. How does an incumbent prevail in the face of this? I just don’t see how the reasons why Trump was underestimated then still apply now. This shoe is on a different foot. So I am going to be like the kid saying that the emperor has no clothes.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
17. The Biden campaign has a new meme out...sending mail..."How will you vote". They are on this.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:00 AM
Aug 2020

I will be calling on Saturday and Sunday in Ohio...go on the website. Get involved. We can do this fired up and ready to go.

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
10. The deliberate, malicious destruction of the USPS plus gerrymandering may result in a "win"...
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:47 AM
Aug 2020

...for the Trumpistas. In addition, various jurisdictions cull voter rolls and throw out applications for mail-in ballots & ballots themselves, wholesale.

We remain in great peril. It is clear the majority of Americans want Trump gone — but they are using every dirty trick in the book.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
18. And it isn't going to work this time...they tried every dirty trick in 18 and we still took the
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:01 AM
Aug 2020

House.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
21. Don't relax...work the campaign. But please people (not saying you) stop with the demoralizing
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:03 AM
Aug 2020

posts about how it is no use...we can't win because we can win. That sort of thing discourages voting.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
37. Fine...it just raises my blood pressure to hear how massive cheating will cause us to lose.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:53 AM
Aug 2020

It won't.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
80. Me, too. From what little I could stand to watch of the CONvention, especially the last two nights,
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:25 PM
Aug 2020

I'm nervous now.

I hate to admit it.

Dear God, all those lies. ALL THOSE LIES! That false, distorted, misleading, untrue picture they painted. Just what their true believers longed to hear - that their preferences and worldview were totally validated. ALL THOSE LIES! That the virus is in the past tense. That this so-called "pResident" is compassionate, effective, fast-responding, thorough, informed, and a real leader like it says in the fairy tales they also cling to. How everything going wrong now is Biden's fault (and that he somehow caused!?!?!? And will make even worse if he gets into power?!?!?!?)

You know in your gut that it's exactly what Dumbfuckistan wants to hear. To reinforce their worldview from deep within that bubble world they'd rather live in and acknowledge. It was projection on a scale we've never seen or heard before. All the shit going on now, ON donald's WATCH, WHILE HE'S in power, that's somehow foisted off on the "he's not even President yet". But they're gonna swallow it whole.

One of the talking heads - early this morning - expressed some serious concern. Author/columnist Anand Giridharadas said he was starting to worry. The sales pitch was VERY convincing and shrewdly tied to outbreaks of violence and destruction by opportunists, looters, and other assorted shit-stirrers looking to exploit large numbers of protesters. Sorry donald, sorry fans-of-donald, NONE of that was caused or directed by Joe Biden. OR organization Democrats - capital "D," AND small "d" also. And I listened to this fellow and a troubling feeling came over me - "hey, dude, you too?" He was describing how I'd been feeling over this past week - with this AVALANCHE of lies and distortions and misrepresentations. How fast he sprang into action against the coronavirus? Hell, he spent two months calling it a hoax? They sold that over and over and over all week! And that's just one example!*



* On edit - this bothered me so much that I determined to go back and find who expressed that feeling in a TV interview. I couldn't think of his name but his appearance - especially this prominent (and high) headful of silver hair) - was unforgettable. I checked my notes - it was from this morning's "Morning Joe" on MSNBC. Just really struck me that somebody else was putting words to my new worrying. He was feeling it, himself.

That DOES NOT, however, mean that I'm gonna let that sense of dread keep me from working my tail off to make sure the nightmare conclusion does NOT become reality!

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
81. All of this. I agree with all of this. I think we will win. But I don't think it will be
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:29 PM
Aug 2020

easy by any stretch of the imagination. And the idea that we need to quash anyone who states the obvious, that this will be the fight of our lives, is absurd.

This will be the fight of our lives. We are not there yet by any stretch of anyone's imagination. We cannot get comfortable.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
12. traitortrump is not all about 'the race', or the polls, or Electoral College. trump will settle for
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 09:51 AM
Aug 2020

continued WH residence - no matter what it takes.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
22. There is no way that will happen ...if he loses on November 6th, he is out. Just stop it.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:05 AM
Aug 2020

Our Republic will hold.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
32. I do think the Republic will hold. I do hope the Election will have the Dems decisively won.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:49 AM
Aug 2020

However, 'certainty' is not a given.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
38. No one says we are 'certain' but it is very likely Trump will lose in a landslide given his terrible
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:54 AM
Aug 2020

job.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
52. And? The White House has nothing to do with the election
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:15 AM
Aug 2020

Or who is actually President.

January 20, 2021 at noon is all that matters. Period.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Chiyo-chichi

(3,574 posts)
24. If all the votes had been counted in FL in 2000 in a fair, statewide recount, Gore would have won.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:09 AM
Aug 2020

Sorry to belabor an off-topic point here, but when I see this "Bush won by 537 votes" point repeated, I have to point this out.

This is actually relevant to this article as is demonstrates that
a) anything can happen
b) we must stay vigilant
and
c) like the Bush-supporters did, we must use every resource at our disposal to send Trump packing!

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
25. Like Hillary says, Joe should not concede under any circumstances until all votes are counted.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:14 AM
Aug 2020

Not that he's going to need to concede, but let's not forget that Gore won his election.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
26. "I think about it in terms of the political analysts, pollsters, and pundits who refuse to state..."
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:18 AM
Aug 2020

Those folks mentioned are engaging in job security. If it is not a narrow "horse race" you are less likely to tune into their endless 24/7 breaking noise drivel that fills airtime (or column inches) between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.

They know exactly what is going on, what will likely happen and are doing their best to keep the paycheck coming into their bank accounts.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
27. The 2018 midterms turnout the turnout for the primaries...
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:28 AM
Aug 2020

I keep thinking that the turnout, the hours people stood in line, the large increase of the house, that has to be a positive sign of what’s to come this election? The idiots who decided to take a chance on Trump in ‘16 have now seen what a disaster he is. His fan base won’t budge but those who voted for Obama, then Trump? Can’t see them doing it again... Just my thoughts...and hopes of course.

Poiuyt

(18,114 posts)
29. Charlie Cook is one of the best and most unbiased political analysts out there
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:44 AM
Aug 2020

I read that article yesterday and it brought happiness into my life.

Demsrule86

(68,464 posts)
43. Acting like we are five points behind and working the campaign great...but opining that we are
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:57 AM
Aug 2020

five points behind on social media discourages voters. People are less likely to vote if they think their side is losing. I have seen it before many times.

tinrobot

(10,885 posts)
69. Here's the mantra: We are ahead, but it MUST be a blowout. Vote like your life depends on it.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:52 AM
Aug 2020

Nobody stays home this year. This one is too important.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,103 posts)
85. It could go either way, IMO
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 01:29 PM
Aug 2020

I believe the NBA boycott/strike will have a HUGE impact on the AA vote. It was really frustrating to see that only 20% of NBA players have ever voted. I do believe this will change during this election.
If the AA population will vote in mass (and no, I am not putting this all on their shoulders) we should win in a landslide.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
39. Biden is +3.7 in the battleground states.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:54 AM
Aug 2020

We're going to have to be a hell of a lot higher than that to pull this thing off.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
42. The conventions are just the outer rain bands - There's a Category 4 campaign ahead.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:56 AM
Aug 2020

Charlie's piece was from 8/21, a week ago.

"This story was originally published on nationaljournal.com on August 21, 2020"

Shoonra

(518 posts)
44. Do not become over-confident
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:02 AM
Aug 2020

Telling yourself and others that Biden is sure to win only encourages people who would vote for Biden to stay home on Election Day rather than stand in line to cast a ballot. And that means Trump could win.
Remember the old fable of the hare and the tortoise.
Be sure to vote!

bucolic_frolic

(43,051 posts)
45. My tea leaves
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:05 AM
Aug 2020

Speaker Pelosi says Trump 'will be leaving'. No doubt there.

Trump promises to end Social Security. Are those the words of someone who wants to win?

So call me unsurprised by Charlie Cook's opinion. We all know from American political history, when an extreme is reached, the pendulum swings back.

I was puzzled yesterday, though, by a statement from Tim Miller I think his name was, on with Nicole Wallace. He attributed 2016 to lingering "hatred of the Clintons". She just let that slide past, but seriously? What was it Republicans disliked about them so much? Even his scandal was well within Republican norms.

dsharp88

(487 posts)
46. The race begins and ends on November 3rd. No one is ahead yet.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:09 AM
Aug 2020

We don't what factors will be in play in November. We don't know how much Russian interference or manipulation will affect the vote tabulations. Remember, the win doesn't go to the person with the most votes. The win goes to the person who gets the most votes counted.

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
47. he is so right. This race is a blowout
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:11 AM
Aug 2020

for Biden. It's just so many democrats are trembling nervous thinking back to 2016. But this is 2020. Nothing in 2016 is the same as 2020. Nothing. Biden is going to spank Trump so hard the only problem is the Dems getting too confident and lose the house in 2022.

Woodwizard

(837 posts)
50. After 2016
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:15 AM
Aug 2020

I am not complacent at all, the GOP will be throwing everything they can to invalidate as many votes as possible I foresee the 2000 election times 100. This is going to be a mess. I doubt the winner will be clear, and will cause more division no matter which way it goes. This country is broken a long road ahead to fix it if possible.

BannonsLiver

(16,294 posts)
51. Cook is the gold standard
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:15 AM
Aug 2020

He was doing this before Nate Silver was shitting in his diapers. And he’s certainly better at what he does than any of the armchair strategists in the thread.

BannonsLiver

(16,294 posts)
84. Sabato is awesome too
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:35 PM
Aug 2020

Both are people whose opinion should be valued more but as you mentioned they aren’t as well known as those who are in the business of chasing clicks.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
79. Lots of 'gold standard' people got in wrong in 2016.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:22 PM
Aug 2020

Almost everyone had Hillary w/high odds of winning, that's what scares people, especially when dealing w/Trump and his allies who will do anything to win.

This election is different in many ways, but at the center is stil the cheater Trump who now has the power of the presidency to enable his cheating.

It's why Dems need to realize this and take a more 'forward' position instead of 'prevent defense'. IOW, don't believe the polls, fight like we're tied.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
53. I would bet that many of us have PTSD from 2016.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:20 AM
Aug 2020

We thought Agolf Twitler could not win. I can understand the high level of anxiety, in both individual and collective levels. With that said, we need to keep working to increase our lead, no mistake on that, but we also need to not talk ourselves into defeat. We all know that the stakes are unbearably high, and that we can not afford to lose, so it isn't surprising that many of us can't relax until we have successfully flushed the turd, and as many of his enablers as we can manage to get rid of. But, I would also bet that Twitler and his Russian troll helpers would just love it if they can dissuade us from voting. Please, Don't Fall For It!!! Here's hoping that we bury them and their agenda so deep that they are never seen again!

Thekaspervote

(32,705 posts)
59. Thx for posting!! It's needed this morning. I have this article bookmarked for when I'm down
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:31 AM
Aug 2020

Here’s another gold standard that is predicting a Biden win.

Moody Analytics has called every race correctly since 1980, less 2016. Pre-pandemic they said dotard would sail to victory..not anymore. It’s a very long read, but interesting... based on hard facts, not telephone polls.

If you want to skip to the prediction, see page 8 under the heading what will happen in 2020?

https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2020/us-presidential-election-update

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
60. What worries me is that Republicans have bit yet jumped ship. What do they know? Also Trump legal
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:31 AM
Aug 2020

team is laying the groundwork to contest the election suing 67 counties in Pa and I am sure other states. And articles about senior citizens getting unsolicited absentee ballot requests from other States they have no connection with. Seems like Rs are creating voter fraud to support their absurd claims. I will bit rest until this nightmare is over and Drump is dragged out of TWH.

Thekaspervote

(32,705 posts)
75. Biden has amassed a team of 600 attorneys to deal with any shenanigans they will throw at him
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:03 PM
Aug 2020

Unless the election is close, and they can ask for a recount, he has no way forward. He can say he’s gonna sue, let him..that’s him mo

LostinRed

(840 posts)
66. Nice analysis thanks for sharing
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:48 AM
Aug 2020

After watching, yes I watch all 70 minutes, his very boring speech it made me sure we’re going to win on November. Biden will be President and this long nightmare will finally be over

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
67. Hillary was kicking his fat ass 4 years ago so take nothing for granted.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:50 AM
Aug 2020

There are too many factors, surprises, and dirty tricks to try to stop our people from voting.

DFW

(54,293 posts)
70. Charlie Cook is usually spot on, but there are additional factors to be counted in
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:54 AM
Aug 2020

The Republicans respect Charlie Cook as much as we do. That is a nice compliment to Charlie, but to us, it should be a BIG warning sign, and no message of comfort.

If they know they will lose (note to Republican trolls--to you, that's "loose&quot , they have two choices: take their lumps and improve their message next time, or.........

CHEAT. Specifically, and in no particular order:

Prevent legitimately registered voters from voting
Pre-program electronic vote-counting machines to give Republicans an edge, with trained hackers standing by, if necessary
Harass and intimidate voters in heavily Democratic areas, to frighten them away from polling locations
Decrease the number of physical locations where citizens can vote--drastically, if possible.
Make millions of robocalls providing voters in heavily Democratic areas with false information about place, time, date and eligibility to vote. In some instances, have live people do this if they are sure of not getting traced.
Install corrupt election officials to suppress votes for Democrats and make them vanish, or else find "inadvertently misplaced" boxes full of Republican votes if needed (Waukesha County in Wisconsin, e.g.).
Facilitate the ability of corrupt Republican Secretaries of State to falsify close election results and tip them in their favor (Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004, Georgia gubernatorial in 2018, and MANY more).
Ally with a corrupt Attorney General to enforce "laws" that inhibit voting rights, and to suppress efforts to increase voting.
And, of course, the latest innovation: dismantle the Postal Service in Democratic areas, so that absentee ballots either arrive too late for voters to mail them in, or make sure they arrive too late to be counted.

Since Republicans have no inclination to better serve a majority of the population, let alone improve their message and goals to reflect this, they prefer to cheat using combinations of the above tried and proven methods of cheating.

It is no longer a question of "if," but "to what degree?" I think even Charlie Cook would agree with that. I'd love to ask him, but trying to get a hold of him during an election year is about twice as difficult as catching the Road Runner in a cartoon.

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