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Cook Political ReportAs Joe Biden was preparing to give his presidential nomination acceptance speech Thursday night, for me like so many others it was a time to reflect on where the race stands. I was thinking about the the Hans Christian Anderson fable The Emperors New Clothes, which many have cited in writings and cartoons criticizing President Trump. Each has put a slightly different contemporary spin on the 1837 story, in which a pair of swindlers convince a vain king that they could weave fabulous clothes for him with a magic fabric that could not be seen by anyone who was stupid or incompetent. The king commissioned the faux-tailors to make him a suit of clothes, checking on their work, watching the pair at their looms as they pretended to weave, not letting on that he could not see the fabric, lest people think him a fool. Once presented with the clothes, he strutted through the streets wearing nothing, no one letting on that they, too, could not see the clothes. Finally, a young boy cries out, But he has nothing on!
I think about the story in the context of this election, but not in a way that compares Trump to the king. Rather, I think about it in terms of the political analysts, pollsters, and pundits who refuse to state publicly what the data plainly show: that it is very, very unlikely Trump will win 270 electoral votes and the election.
Blame the election of 2016. Virtually everyone but the most die-hard Trump backers that year felt he would lose. Few forecasters thought it was possible for a candidate to lose the national popular vote by over 2 percentage points (nearly 3 million votes) and still win enough states to reach 270 electoral votes. You had to go back to 1876, when Samuel Tilden won the popular vote by 3 points yet lost the electoral vote 185 to 184, to see a similar scenario play out.
Between 1876 and 2016, the popular vote and the Electoral College diverged only two other times: in 1888, when Grover Cleveland won the popular vote by eight-tenths of a point but lost to Benjamin Harrison, and 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote by a half-point but George W. Bush won the electoral vote on a 537-vote win in Florida.
malaise
(268,698 posts)ByeDon!
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)on by Trump...The dire America that Trump speaks of if Biden wins is what Trump has already created...Trump is not not Nixon...he is Humphrey.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)If he wants to be dragged out of the White House, even better.
Oscarthegreat
(121 posts)Unfortunately there is no scenario in which the Orange Turd would concede. We will be living in a new reality after November 3rd, one way or the other.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)The only hope is to run up the score (like 2012 when I think they already had the 2004 Ohio plan ready to roll). You can tell by Karl Rove's reaction. Under the surface they knew to not pull the trigger because of the possibility of being exposed for no good reason.
In addition to the three firewall states, we need one or two others to have a chance.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Obama won Florida by less than 1%, Ohio by less than 3% and Virginia by less than 4%
Biden needs to beat the Obama 2008 margins - like Clinton 1996, Bush 1988 type margins.
Norbert
(6,038 posts)It was one thing they could run on, and of course on the RW fringes, he was a black man.
The Dems are running on the inept COVID-19 response, racial unrest, the depressed economy and the fact that the orange anus is in serious need of a personality transplant.
I personally am not worried whether Biden/Harris will win, just be how much. I want as convincing a win as we can get.
radius777
(3,635 posts)We saw what happened in 2016, and we see what's happening w/the USPS.
So many take the polls w/a grain of salt, knowing we need margin of victory that overcome the 'cheating factor'.
Also national polls are not as important, as the election will come down to 6 or so swing states.
jaxexpat
(6,803 posts)The automated mail sorters are STILL off line and "no overtime/schedule first, cost saving mandates" are still the guidelines the USPS works by today. This despite the "good scolding" from the House of Representatives given to the postmaster general. He's NOT undoing the damage he has done. He's sitting pretty, thumbing his entitled nose at Democrats, in full knowledge that the USPS is broken where it will certainly count, in the swing states and anywhere voters will vote by mail. Unless he is forced to correct the plan he's implemented the USPS will still be BROKEN in November. And it gets worse, some of the sorting machinery has been dismantled and trashed, as in dumpsters full of sorting machinery. I'm guessing there will be NO WAY to get those sorters replaced in time for election day.
This election is FAR from a done deal. Too many in those critical swing states still intend to vote by mail. I think that's exactly what Trump is hoping for.
Yeehah
(4,568 posts)was shaken as I saw George AWOL Bush sworn in twice and nazi Trump sworn in.
I would like to see the outdated electoral college eliminated and the requirement of two senators for pieces of real estate eliminated. Perhaps states with a population below a certain threshold should have only one senator.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)jaxexpat
(6,803 posts)RicROC
(1,203 posts)along with the Senate. The Senate has outlived its purpose. OR combine it with the House of Representatives with 4 year terms for the 'Senators'. The total representatives would remain the same, except that two positions are reserved for the 'Senators'
jayschool2013
(2,311 posts)One big house, that's it. The only check is the governor's veto.
Yeehah
(4,568 posts)but apportioned by population. Still kind of an upper house but apportioned fairly by population.
argyl
(3,064 posts)That's a start, anyway.
Glorfindel
(9,719 posts)That would provide each state with at least one Senator, but California, for example, would have 53 senators, elected to six-year terms, giving it the clout it deserves in Congress. Wyoming, the least populous state, would have one senator and one representative. This, of course, will never happen. It makes too much sense.
ego_nation
(123 posts)Im doing it regardless of what the polls say. Its cathartic.
And Im sure Im far from being the only one who feels this way. Nobody is going to rest on their laurels in this election.
edhopper
(33,480 posts)pretending that the election will be fair and they will allow everyone to vote and then count all the votes.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)because he is so smart and all- Every election since Trump won in 16 has gone our way. We have a deadly pandemic with 180,000 dead and economy on life support. It won't be close. You know what is not cute? That would be doom and gloom which depresses the vote. If people think as you do why would they bother to go to the polls?
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)cheating will defeat us no matter what the polls say...how am I misreading this post? I work elections every year and if people feel hopeless, they don't vote.
kcr
(15,314 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)wiped off the map
I am saying it is foolish to think it is in the bag and won't be close.
edhopper
(33,480 posts)saying it isn't a close race when the GOP will cheat in every way they can is what is damaging. Not me saying it's will take all we have to win.
Keep telling people it's in the bag and see what happens.
Dios Mio
(429 posts)Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Yes, there are things that could tilt this race: shenanigans at the Postal Service, voter confusion about how to vote, states' inability to process and count ballots on time, to name a few. But the race has to get much closer before these can possibly make a difference in a few key states.
Trump was the candidate of change in 2016. Now, Americans are very unhappy with where the country is and how he has handled his tenure. How does an incumbent prevail in the face of this? I just dont see how the reasons why Trump was underestimated then still apply now. This shoe is on a different foot. So I am going to be like the kid saying that the emperor has no clothes.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)I will be calling on Saturday and Sunday in Ohio...go on the website. Get involved. We can do this fired up and ready to go.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)...for the Trumpistas. In addition, various jurisdictions cull voter rolls and throw out applications for mail-in ballots & ballots themselves, wholesale.
We remain in great peril. It is clear the majority of Americans want Trump gone but they are using every dirty trick in the book.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)House.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)posts about how it is no use...we can't win because we can win. That sort of thing discourages voting.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Back on ignore you go.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)It won't.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)The poster you are responding to is right.
calimary
(81,110 posts)I'm nervous now.
I hate to admit it.
Dear God, all those lies. ALL THOSE LIES! That false, distorted, misleading, untrue picture they painted. Just what their true believers longed to hear - that their preferences and worldview were totally validated. ALL THOSE LIES! That the virus is in the past tense. That this so-called "pResident" is compassionate, effective, fast-responding, thorough, informed, and a real leader like it says in the fairy tales they also cling to. How everything going wrong now is Biden's fault (and that he somehow caused!?!?!? And will make even worse if he gets into power?!?!?!?)
You know in your gut that it's exactly what Dumbfuckistan wants to hear. To reinforce their worldview from deep within that bubble world they'd rather live in and acknowledge. It was projection on a scale we've never seen or heard before. All the shit going on now, ON donald's WATCH, WHILE HE'S in power, that's somehow foisted off on the "he's not even President yet". But they're gonna swallow it whole.
One of the talking heads - early this morning - expressed some serious concern. Author/columnist Anand Giridharadas said he was starting to worry. The sales pitch was VERY convincing and shrewdly tied to outbreaks of violence and destruction by opportunists, looters, and other assorted shit-stirrers looking to exploit large numbers of protesters. Sorry donald, sorry fans-of-donald, NONE of that was caused or directed by Joe Biden. OR organization Democrats - capital "D," AND small "d" also. And I listened to this fellow and a troubling feeling came over me - "hey, dude, you too?" He was describing how I'd been feeling over this past week - with this AVALANCHE of lies and distortions and misrepresentations. How fast he sprang into action against the coronavirus? Hell, he spent two months calling it a hoax? They sold that over and over and over all week! And that's just one example!*
* On edit - this bothered me so much that I determined to go back and find who expressed that feeling in a TV interview. I couldn't think of his name but his appearance - especially this prominent (and high) headful of silver hair) - was unforgettable. I checked my notes - it was from this morning's "Morning Joe" on MSNBC. Just really struck me that somebody else was putting words to my new worrying. He was feeling it, himself.
That DOES NOT, however, mean that I'm gonna let that sense of dread keep me from working my tail off to make sure the nightmare conclusion does NOT become reality!
Squinch
(50,911 posts)easy by any stretch of the imagination. And the idea that we need to quash anyone who states the obvious, that this will be the fight of our lives, is absurd.
This will be the fight of our lives. We are not there yet by any stretch of anyone's imagination. We cannot get comfortable.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)continued WH residence - no matter what it takes.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)Our Republic will hold.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)However, 'certainty' is not a given.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)job.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)Or who is actually President.
January 20, 2021 at noon is all that matters. Period.
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Chiyo-chichi
(3,574 posts)Sorry to belabor an off-topic point here, but when I see this "Bush won by 537 votes" point repeated, I have to point this out.
This is actually relevant to this article as is demonstrates that
a) anything can happen
b) we must stay vigilant
and
c) like the Bush-supporters did, we must use every resource at our disposal to send Trump packing!
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Not that he's going to need to concede, but let's not forget that Gore won his election.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Those folks mentioned are engaging in job security. If it is not a narrow "horse race" you are less likely to tune into their endless 24/7 breaking noise drivel that fills airtime (or column inches) between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.
They know exactly what is going on, what will likely happen and are doing their best to keep the paycheck coming into their bank accounts.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)I keep thinking that the turnout, the hours people stood in line, the large increase of the house, that has to be a positive sign of whats to come this election? The idiots who decided to take a chance on Trump in 16 have now seen what a disaster he is. His fan base wont budge but those who voted for Obama, then Trump? Cant see them doing it again... Just my thoughts...and hopes of course.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)Poiuyt
(18,114 posts)I read that article yesterday and it brought happiness into my life.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)do NOT get complacent. Please!!!
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)five points behind on social media discourages voters. People are less likely to vote if they think their side is losing. I have seen it before many times.
tinrobot
(10,885 posts)Nobody stays home this year. This one is too important.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)I believe the NBA boycott/strike will have a HUGE impact on the AA vote. It was really frustrating to see that only 20% of NBA players have ever voted. I do believe this will change during this election.
If the AA population will vote in mass (and no, I am not putting this all on their shoulders) we should win in a landslide.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)We're going to have to be a hell of a lot higher than that to pull this thing off.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Charlie's piece was from 8/21, a week ago.
"This story was originally published on nationaljournal.com on August 21, 2020"
Shoonra
(518 posts)Telling yourself and others that Biden is sure to win only encourages people who would vote for Biden to stay home on Election Day rather than stand in line to cast a ballot. And that means Trump could win.
Remember the old fable of the hare and the tortoise.
Be sure to vote!
bucolic_frolic
(43,051 posts)Speaker Pelosi says Trump 'will be leaving'. No doubt there.
Trump promises to end Social Security. Are those the words of someone who wants to win?
So call me unsurprised by Charlie Cook's opinion. We all know from American political history, when an extreme is reached, the pendulum swings back.
I was puzzled yesterday, though, by a statement from Tim Miller I think his name was, on with Nicole Wallace. He attributed 2016 to lingering "hatred of the Clintons". She just let that slide past, but seriously? What was it Republicans disliked about them so much? Even his scandal was well within Republican norms.
dsharp88
(487 posts)We don't what factors will be in play in November. We don't know how much Russian interference or manipulation will affect the vote tabulations. Remember, the win doesn't go to the person with the most votes. The win goes to the person who gets the most votes counted.
Roc2020
(1,613 posts)for Biden. It's just so many democrats are trembling nervous thinking back to 2016. But this is 2020. Nothing in 2016 is the same as 2020. Nothing. Biden is going to spank Trump so hard the only problem is the Dems getting too confident and lose the house in 2022.
Woodwizard
(837 posts)I am not complacent at all, the GOP will be throwing everything they can to invalidate as many votes as possible I foresee the 2000 election times 100. This is going to be a mess. I doubt the winner will be clear, and will cause more division no matter which way it goes. This country is broken a long road ahead to fix it if possible.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)He was doing this before Nate Silver was shitting in his diapers. And hes certainly better at what he does than any of the armchair strategists in the thread.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)I think folks don't know who he is.
I also trust Sabato more than 538/Silver, too.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)Both are people whose opinion should be valued more but as you mentioned they arent as well known as those who are in the business of chasing clicks.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Almost everyone had Hillary w/high odds of winning, that's what scares people, especially when dealing w/Trump and his allies who will do anything to win.
This election is different in many ways, but at the center is stil the cheater Trump who now has the power of the presidency to enable his cheating.
It's why Dems need to realize this and take a more 'forward' position instead of 'prevent defense'. IOW, don't believe the polls, fight like we're tied.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)love_katz
(2,578 posts)We thought Agolf Twitler could not win. I can understand the high level of anxiety, in both individual and collective levels. With that said, we need to keep working to increase our lead, no mistake on that, but we also need to not talk ourselves into defeat. We all know that the stakes are unbearably high, and that we can not afford to lose, so it isn't surprising that many of us can't relax until we have successfully flushed the turd, and as many of his enablers as we can manage to get rid of. But, I would also bet that Twitler and his Russian troll helpers would just love it if they can dissuade us from voting. Please, Don't Fall For It!!! Here's hoping that we bury them and their agenda so deep that they are never seen again!
Thekaspervote
(32,705 posts)Heres another gold standard that is predicting a Biden win.
Moody Analytics has called every race correctly since 1980, less 2016. Pre-pandemic they said dotard would sail to victory..not anymore. Its a very long read, but interesting... based on hard facts, not telephone polls.
If you want to skip to the prediction, see page 8 under the heading what will happen in 2020?
https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2020/us-presidential-election-update
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)team is laying the groundwork to contest the election suing 67 counties in Pa and I am sure other states. And articles about senior citizens getting unsolicited absentee ballot requests from other States they have no connection with. Seems like Rs are creating voter fraud to support their absurd claims. I will bit rest until this nightmare is over and Drump is dragged out of TWH.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,705 posts)Unless the election is close, and they can ask for a recount, he has no way forward. He can say hes gonna sue, let him..thats him mo
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)JHB
(37,156 posts)LostinRed
(840 posts)After watching, yes I watch all 70 minutes, his very boring speech it made me sure were going to win on November. Biden will be President and this long nightmare will finally be over
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)There are too many factors, surprises, and dirty tricks to try to stop our people from voting.
Demsrule86
(68,464 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)DFW
(54,293 posts)The Republicans respect Charlie Cook as much as we do. That is a nice compliment to Charlie, but to us, it should be a BIG warning sign, and no message of comfort.
If they know they will lose (note to Republican trolls--to you, that's "loose" , they have two choices: take their lumps and improve their message next time, or.........
CHEAT. Specifically, and in no particular order:
Prevent legitimately registered voters from voting
Pre-program electronic vote-counting machines to give Republicans an edge, with trained hackers standing by, if necessary
Harass and intimidate voters in heavily Democratic areas, to frighten them away from polling locations
Decrease the number of physical locations where citizens can vote--drastically, if possible.
Make millions of robocalls providing voters in heavily Democratic areas with false information about place, time, date and eligibility to vote. In some instances, have live people do this if they are sure of not getting traced.
Install corrupt election officials to suppress votes for Democrats and make them vanish, or else find "inadvertently misplaced" boxes full of Republican votes if needed (Waukesha County in Wisconsin, e.g.).
Facilitate the ability of corrupt Republican Secretaries of State to falsify close election results and tip them in their favor (Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004, Georgia gubernatorial in 2018, and MANY more).
Ally with a corrupt Attorney General to enforce "laws" that inhibit voting rights, and to suppress efforts to increase voting.
And, of course, the latest innovation: dismantle the Postal Service in Democratic areas, so that absentee ballots either arrive too late for voters to mail them in, or make sure they arrive too late to be counted.
Since Republicans have no inclination to better serve a majority of the population, let alone improve their message and goals to reflect this, they prefer to cheat using combinations of the above tried and proven methods of cheating.
It is no longer a question of "if," but "to what degree?" I think even Charlie Cook would agree with that. I'd love to ask him, but trying to get a hold of him during an election year is about twice as difficult as catching the Road Runner in a cartoon.
iluvtennis
(19,833 posts)push their ratings.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)If the campaign or supporters/voters become complacent, WE WILL LOSE.