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Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:53 AM

I'm surprised that Trump has been this hard to takedown

I really thought we would have impeached and removed him by the end of 2017. We knew all we needed to know by the end of November 2016.

I guess it's really an indicator of how far this country has fallen.

This is probably how Germans felt about Hitler in 1941.

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Reply I'm surprised that Trump has been this hard to takedown (Original post)
fescuerescue Aug 2020 OP
onetexan Aug 2020 #1
abqtommy Aug 2020 #4
onetexan Aug 2020 #5
MacKasey Aug 2020 #2
Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #3
global1 Aug 2020 #6
Siwsan Aug 2020 #7
DSandra Aug 2020 #20
Greybnk48 Aug 2020 #8
greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #9
Mike 03 Aug 2020 #10
greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #12
beachbumbob Aug 2020 #11
JHB Aug 2020 #13
Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #14
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #15
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #16
muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #17
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #22
stillcool Aug 2020 #18
dalton99a Aug 2020 #19
dawg Aug 2020 #21

Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:55 AM

1. He got as far as he did because of Mcconnell and cowardly GOP senators who did not convict him.

They've all abandoned their oath of office.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:06 AM

4. +++ There's plenty of guilt among the reTHUGS/cultists/sPUTIN/Cambridge Analytica/Wikileaks

and the right-wing Brits that not only supported tRUMP but came to The U.S. to campaign for him.
We have to demand justice be done to everyone involved in this.

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:11 AM

5. Spot on. The Conman had alot of enablers, which goes to show you there are lots of snakes among us.

Good vs evil - this is our constant struggle. A democracy is always fragile if immoral, unfit leaders are put in charge. God i hope after we throw this Idiot out of office that we never see another one like him, though i'm sure there will be plenty in waiting.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 10:56 AM

2. Snakes are slippery

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:02 AM

3. Good guys generally follow the rules...

There was no possibility of impeachment before Dems won big in the 2018 election, for which they didn't take office until 2019.

An unfortunate property of our Constitution is that a minority party can throw significant roadblocks into getting anything done. One facet of Hitler's rise was the ability of the NAZI party to bollocks up the legislature in the 1920's such that nothing much got done except by, wait for it, executive action; basically the equivalent of our Presidential executive orders. Compare that with what Repubs have done over the last 20 years or so and the 'rise' of Trump.

History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:12 AM

6. He's Just Lucky - I Guess....

Certainly - a guy that is a stupid idiot that can't put a sentence together and has a brain muddled in dementia - can't be anything but 'lucky'.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:12 AM

7. It's hard to turn on someone who might have a damaging dossier on you.

I have NO doubt that is the case with any number of these miscreants.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:23 PM

20. Trump has Putin and thus the Russian Mafia to aid him

Makes it a lot easier to do this.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:13 AM

8. You just said what I have thought many, many times.

Why is it so difficult to take this criminal down? I think of Al Capone more often than Hitler. He seems to have every one in his pocket. Good grief, look at Lindsey Graham! He went from being reviled by Trump to groveling, bowing and scraping.

It's really curious.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:14 AM

9. 1941 (at least until the very end of the year)

 

was probably the height of Hitler's popularity and "accomplishment."

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:19 AM

10. This is true.

The afterglow of the successful invasions of Poland and France imbued most Germans with confidence in Hitler. That glow only wore off slowly, and was extended by ridiculous propaganda from Goebbels that convinced people the eastern front was going better than it actually was.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:24 AM

12. Eastern front was going pretty good for the Wehrmacht until early December

 

They knew they were slower than they should have been by mid-October, but it was generally rout after rout of the clueless Red Army from June 22 through November.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:20 AM

11. how did you think that there would be 20 GOP senators voting to remove?

 

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:30 AM

13. The problem is only partly Trump. The rest of it is the Republicans

Conservatives have been nurturing what has become Trump's base for over four decades to give them the margin of victory and push their policies. The people doing this have shown no interest in moderation, and have actively treated compromise as treachery.

Trump's bowling ahead with stuffing conservative operatives onto the courts, deregulation, undermining federal agencies, dismantling the post office, and above all, cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Plus, the odds strongly favor the Russians having dirt on them too.

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Response to JHB (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:39 AM

14. +1000 they are still treasonous traitors everyone of them

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:41 AM

15. The pugs had the house and the senate until January of 2019...exactly how did you think we would

take him down. Our best chance to get rid of Trump was always the 2020 election.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:46 AM

16. In a few years people will say the same of December 18, 2019

The answer to your question: Lots of wishful thinking I guess.


Go ahead and look at the archives of 2017 discussions. About the same as discussions in December 2019 when the impeachment did happen.

I hope we aren't having this same discussion in August of 2024.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:04 PM

17. I don't think DU discussions are relevant to how Trump survived

We're just a talking shop.

He survived because there were more than 33 dishonorable Republicans in the senate. And that would have been true in any conceivable 2018 election result. Only if voting to keep him would have been a guaranteed loss at their next election would they have turned against him. And there are too many parts of the USA where the voters will allow Trump to do anything, for that to be a guarantee.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 07:33 PM

22. You are correct of course

But this is a reflection of events.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:12 PM

18. It's not Trump, it's the GOP..

they are having their dreams fulfilled, proficiently slicing and dicing the federal government up as they see fit, after have wanting to do for so long. There is no stopping Trump, because there is no desire to stop him, from those that have the power to do so.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:17 PM

19. Trump is a dream come true for Republicans.


They will protect him to the end


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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:34 PM

21. It's the whole damned Republican Party.

Even if we defeat Trump, if they somehow manage to hold onto the Senate, they will continue to wreck this country.

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