The point missed by many is this kid had a cop complex,because of a perceived intervention/diversion

[KLRIQ2]

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Im not sure if there is a father in the picture, the details of the mothers interaction with him suggest she was more buddy than parent

Incorrect Information: and that resulted in several incidence with police intervention, unruly, disturbing the peace at 13-14 and pot possession and paraphernalia at 15-16.

The record may be incorrect, see thread post #8 below, The premise below of outcome and influences still stands

In the midwest, for the last 60 or so years, it is not uncommon for these types of youths (white low to middle class early offenders) to be directed into ROTC or Police cadet programs or military school systems.

The thought is to introduce structure into unstructured lives. To bend the wills of these unruly children towards the rule of law, but the truth of the matter is the outcome has been the opposite and a large part of our current woes. Introducing bad seeds to these programs has often given them just enough knowledge to hide their dysfunction, to mask themselves into upstanding citizens who often use these interventions to follow careers into law enforcement.

Kyle Rittenhouse is not the exception, but the demonstration that it is not unruly children bending to structure and compliance, but unruly children bending law to become unstructured and undisciplined.

He had just such an intervention, there are pictures posted on social media, from his mother, of him in a police cadet uniform. His social media was pro cop, because he was immersed in the culture to give him structure, but all it did was feed an unruly child another tool of the broken police culture.

Policing is no longer the structure of protect and serve the people, but blood for treasure, and thats exactly what this man child walked away with, and then did as he was programmed to do, dehumanize the "other", venerate with gun comes power, and raise treasure and property above human life.

These unruly children of the last 60 years werent taught to be upstanding citizens by law and order molding them, they in fact have bent the will of the police culture, and are literally the bad seeds of our broken police forces.

[Laelth]

1. The same thing happened to Trump.

His mother could not control him. He was kicked out of middle school for bad behavior, despite the fact that his rich father was on the school’s board. He was sent to a military boarding school.

That didn’t exactly “fix” him, but it taught him how to better hide his antisocial tendencies.

-Laelth

[BComplex]

3. Agreed. It didn't just teach him how to hide his antisocial tendencies, it evidently gave

him the confidence to think he was the law unto himself.

[KLRIQ2]

6. Many of these personality types lack confidence and the mechanism....

of Neurosis is to try to gain "unnatural" control of someone or something else. This is the nature or rape, abuse and other anti social behaviors, lashing out. But these programs often build self confidence in a 'fake till you make it" crutch of authority.

[sandensea]

2. In other words, a spoiled brat - but in this case, one encouraged by his own president

Children look up to their president: they're taught to, and it's natural given presidents' authority and omniprescence in the news.

But when their president is an Idi Amin-style despot and thug, that's what's encouraged in them.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Great post.

Knowing a bit about Wisconsin and how young offenders are treated,had a couple Brothers who fit this bill. Before the programs were call "Diversion,"County Judges used the Army as a Diversion Program. Especially in North Western Wisconsin. As memory recalls,it appeared to me the Judge had a Army Recruiter's personal number in his Rolodex. And if your were not 18,and you were withing a couple months of turning 18,the Judge would have the Parents give legal authority for the Kid to be shipped to Fort Leonardwood ASAP.

Understand the Diversion Program now is some type of Militarized Boot Camp thing based up in the Poplar Swamps.

[KLRIQ2]

7. Hence why we often see the same rot in...

in todays military transgressions, same bad seeds, same bending of culture.

[Wellstone ruled]

9. Here is what really happens

in Counties that are mostly White Persons or a minumum of POC or Native. Most Counties with small Populations tend to have budget issues as well as Persons in Power Positions whom lack the Skill Sets required to deal with Social and Economic issues of the 21 st Century. Grandpa or Uncle Fred held that position before me and that is good enough. And that story is played out across America more than one thinks.

Cousin Charlie was a great example. Good enough for Dad,good enough for me. And to think,his Son is the third Generation in that County Commissioners seat. Another Trumper on his way up the ladder.

[KLRIQ2]

10. It has come to light that he tried to enter military..

He had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters, said service spokeswoman Yvonne Carlock. She declined to specify why he was disqualified, citing the service’s privacy guidelines.

[Wellstone ruled]

14. If you have any

issues out standing with any type of public misbehavior including personal behavioral issues like Bulling in High School or connections to any type of militant group. Your are toast.

Recruiters have been on notice for a couple years about persons with troubled past. Most likely this Kid failed the Attitude and Aptitude test.

[GusBob]

12. The kid lives in Illinois

And his record described in the Op is somone else

[KLRIQ2]

16. I already addressed this further down the thread

Before you posted this, hope it cleared up any confusion, the premise of the post still stands.

[GusBob]

21. If there was no pot conviction, how could there be intervention?

?

[KLRIQ2]

25. See #15

[ThoughtCriminal]

5. This post reminds me of the 1991 Buddhist Temple murders in Phoenix

Nine people murdered in cold blood by two high-school ROTC teens.

I don't know what steered these students into ROTC, but they even wore their uniforms while committing the massacre.

[sl8]

8. Where did you see the information about his prior police encounters?

Thanks.

[KLRIQ2]

11. It had been circulating yesterday, but

In reviewing to answer your question there is some discussion that it may be the record of another resident named Kyle Rittenhouse

[sl8]

13. That's what I was wondering, but also new information is being uncovered by the hour.

It's possible that shooter Kyle also has skeletons, but not the ones that were being posted here earler.

Here's the "other" Kyle, complete with a pot bust at the time in question:
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2016CM000410&countyNo=53&index=0&mode=details

[KLRIQ2]

15. The information is fluid, and I am only as informed as others, but...

The premise of my post still stands as it was it was an indictment of an identifiable mechanism in midwest jurisprudence, Not the individual.

This Kyle Rittenhouse has a demonstrated(by his own social media) a common path into cadet/military influence, that is often indicative of an intervention or diversion of an "at risk" or "troubled teen"

And the outcome of the misguided effects of these processes can be clearly seen. Both in this individual, and the very police discord and broken culture, that is the conflict he was part and parcel of.

[LisaL]

18. How does the premise of your post stand?

You claim pot intervention, but what's the evidence? Military influence does not equal pot intervention.

[KLRIQ2]

20. The point of my post wasnt about his prior transgressions....

I admitted that the fluid nature of information had lead me to a flawed sentence, but that it was about the influence of Midwest jurisprudence to handle "troubled teens" with a mechanism over 60 years, that has often both failed the teens as well as damaged the structure of policing that is reflected in todays current broken police culture.

[MineralMan]

19. Not really. The information you offered was incorrect,

and had to do with a different, older person with the same first and last name. Incorrect, not "fluid."

[KLRIQ2]

23. Which I addressed being wrong about the record

But the post was about a process, that could be applied agnostically to thousands of teens as well as the broken police culture underpinnings by the influence of bad seeds, from the other side of the process.

[MineralMan]

26. That doesn't matter, really.

You posted something without doing your due diligence in checking to see if what you posted was actually true. It was not true.

The proper response would have been to self-delete the post once you discovered that. Instead, you continue to defend your incorrect post, merely making minor changes in it that do not really correct the original problem.

[KLRIQ2]

27. . .

[MineralMan]

28. Cool. I choose: "Nice try."

[LisaL]

17. What pot intervention?

Those case numbers that are floating around on facebook very likely do not belong to him. As a minor, his records are sealed (if he had any) and he wouldn't be in the database to begin with. There is an older man with the same first and last name that pops up in the database, but he is much older the the guy in question.
People should really think before they believe facebook rumors.

[KLRIQ2]

24. As I addressed, I was wrong about the record

My post was aimed at the influence of the process of "intervention" or "diversion" and the consequences of that on both the intervened and the police culture that often absorbed them.

[obamanut2012]

22. Yup -- put the kid into a good martial arts program instead

Or even the Scouts.

They will get a better structure and discipline for their lives instead.