Trump supporters fasley claiming a black man killed a trump supporter in Portland tonight

[brettdale]

They're sharing a video on twitter of a innocent black man, saying "share this he just a killed a trump supporter.

It appears in relaity it was actually a white trump supporter, that shot a peaceful white protestor supporting BLM.

Of course twitter has turned it around and saying the peaceful protesters were terrorists.

[roamer65]

1. It's hard to get the truth on this one right now.

The core truth is the person at fault for the death is Trump.

[regnaD kciN]

4. No, the person at fault for the death is whoever pulled the trigger...

Yes, Trump and his supporters have been pouring gas on the fire all year, and especially this past week, but blaming Trump directly is a little like the Kenosha sheriff saying that the fault in the murders there lay with the victims themselves, because if they'd obeyed the curfew they'd still be alive.

The fact is that, even if we find them obnoxious and their tactics reprehensible, right-wingers have the right to stage peaceful protests just as we do. What the Portland caravan didn't have the right to do was fire paintballs and pepper spray at opponents trying to hold their own peaceful protest. But, from the video we've seen so far, it doesn't appear as if this killing was in direct response to anything the militia did, unless one wished to argue that just wearing right-wing insignia in downtown Portland justifies killing someone. (And, even if it had been directly related, it hardly needs mentioning that proportionality of response dictates that you don't respond to paintballs with live ammunition.)

But the fact is that, until the authorities release more information, and particularly unless and until the shooter is identified and apprehended, we have no idea if the killing was related to politics at all.

[roamer65]

5. Nope, I blame the instigator in chief.

As Harry Truman used to say, “The buck stops here.”

[regnaD kciN]

2. Please show your evidence for this...

The only thing I know so far is that both the New York Times and Willamette Week (the latter a very-much-leftist Portland weekly) agree that the victim was wearing the insignia of a local far-right group. The actual video that is allegedly of the murder is taken from about a block away, and the only thing you can tell is that there were no protests going on in the immediate area at the time of the shooting, nor was there any sign of the militia caravan.

If you have other documented information, please share it A.S.A.P.

[LeftInTX]

3. The dead person was more than likely a far right Trump supporter

He was wearing far right hat and camo etc

[roamer65]

6. The word on the street in Portland.

Link to tweet

Take it for what you will.

[misanthrope]

7. The victim appeared to be wearing a holster in one of the photos

What it held and whether he fired it is unclear. The video clearly contains two gunshots. If the victim had a weapon, it will be easy to tell whether it was fired or not.

[regnaD kciN]

8. If this is true...

...then the most you can say is that he "fired at someone and missed." From the video posted, there were no protests going on in the immediate area at the time, so it's a stretch to say the shooter was a "protester," and, frankly, I haven't heard of anyone in the BLM protests over all these months being armed...and I'm guessing that, if that was a common practice among even a small minority of those protesters, you'd have had shootings long before now.

From the video, it seemed like there were very few people in the area at the time of the shooting(s), but there were some, and I would hope that at least some of those have provided eyewitness testimony to investigators. I also hope the person who fired the fatal shot is apprehended, because we'll never have more than speculation until that happens.

[misanthrope]

9. In this shot, he looks to be wearing something like armor under his shirt

Was that supposed to be some type of flak jacket?

EDIT: I took it down, but don't understand the fuss. There was nothing particular bloody about the photo. I've seen worse on a "Sopranos" episode.

[blogslut]

11. Thank you

It's not the level of gore that was the problem. It's about basic respect for human beings, no matter how little we like them. We aren't them. Let them drag his body through their conspiracy addled social channels.

[regnaD kciN]

12. I looked at the video...

Played back at normal speed, it's impossible to tell anything but, slowed down, it appears as if the eventual victim raises his arm toward the other individual, and there is a burst of smoke from his hand/arm, then the other person fires. Was that smoke the eventual victim firing first, or, as some suggested, did he set off some sort of chemical gas? Very hard to tell, but he certainly wasn't just standing there minding his own business when he was shot, and it does seem as if he was making a motion which could be interpreted as attacking before the other person shot. Beyond that, it's impossible to say more, except that it definitely didn't occur during any of the protests of either side.

[Aerator]

15. Saw the same thing

I see the same thing as you do when it’s slowed down .The victim seems to shoot first ,as for not being part of the protest it wasn’t in a group but he could have been leaving the area . I would say they were there for the protest seeing how the victim looks like he was part of the right wing group from his hat and the thin blue line patch on his shorts.

[crickets]

22. It looks like the victim may have sprayed mace or something similar

just before he is shot. Also in a longer version of the video, the person filming complains about how badly his eyes are burning as he gets closer to the scene.

[blogslut]

10. Of course they do this. They always do it.

But, unlike them, we wait for factual details from reputable sources. We practice independent thought and commitment to truth.

[regnaD kciN]

13. I wish the OP would have corrected his post, though...

...as it still says that a militia member killed a protester, and we now know that, whatever may have happened, that didn't.

[RelativelyJones]

14. +1 The OP is incorrect and should be updated.

[NutmegYankee]

16. This is the video of the shooting (Graphic)

Link to tweet

I can't tell. It seems someone is yelling "we got one of them right here" and it appears the two men draw on one another. The victim gets off his shot first but the other guy has a bullet proof vest on and his (Survivor) shot a second later hit the mark.

Overall. Probably a murder charge. The mindset and whether the shooter felt the other guy walking toward him was a threat will play out in court. Oregon isn't a stand your ground state, but also isn't full duty to retreat by case law.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. How is it a murder charge if the victim shot first?

[NutmegYankee]

19. It appears the other guy is also drawing his pistol.

That likely screws a self defense claim. There is a lot of debate out there on twitter. The first puff from the decedent could be pepper spray and not a shot. While the decedent clearly screwed up walking toward the guy in white and pulling something out, the other guy may not be able to satisfy the self defense claims of reasonableness because he stopped and turned to confront the decedent.

Overall, this is why we shouldn't be packing at protests...

[misanthrope]

20. As I noted previously, the decedent was wearing some type of holster

on his right side because the straps are visible across his leg in one of the photos of the cops gathered around him. Whether that held mace/bear spray or a firearm is unclear. If the second person saw him reaching for a holster, it would have been reasonable to assume that whatever he was pulling up would be a firearm.

[UCmeNdc]

17. Notice there are no real details being released about this murder. Why?

Who was the victim?

What is his background story?

Who was present during the incident?

Why the lack of media details?

[misanthrope]

21. Because the DA's office is stressed and knows the nation's eyes are on this

They likely want to be sure they have their facts and info down before making a statement.