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Nevilledog

(55,091 posts)
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:23 AM Aug 2020

Chris Murphy thread - Trump is deliberately killing people




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I know what I wrote below sounds harsh. But I stand by it and I want to explain why.

1/ From the start of the epidemic, Trump has mostly refused to wear a mask and engage in social distancing. He often does this very publicly and brazenly (like in Oklahoma City).




2/ His RNC speech was his biggest stage. 23m watched.

The question is - WHY did Trump choose not to socially distance guests or require them to wear masks, as his own CDC guidelines below recommend?

There seems to be no good reason. He easily could have.

3/ He and his advisors KNEW the consequences of brazenly thumbing their nose at their own CDC.

They know viewers follow his example, and thus it will now be impossible to convince many people social distancing/masks are important. Bc Trump has made it crystal clear they AREN'T.

4/ And they KNOW that masks/social distancing have proven to save lives (see the NIH Director below).

So for no good reason, they chose a path that will make it harder to beat COVID, and would lead to more people dying. They made this choice, consciously.

5/ Think of it this way - say you told your wife you're going to drive to the grocery store, and on the way ignore all the stoplights.

You don't have a good reason - you just want to get to the store faster. She tells you before you leave that you're going to get people killed.

6/ But you do it anyway, and you run over people.

You had no good reason to be reckless. You knew the consequences beforehand and did it anyway.

You'd be rightly called a killer.

The difference btwn you and Trump is that you killed 3 or 4. Trump's actions killed thousands.


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Chris Murphy thread - Trump is deliberately killing people (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
Calling it as he sees it..and it's the truth..thank you Chris Murphy Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #1
I agree. benfranklin1776 Aug 2020 #35
That's the truth as I've seen it from day 1. Deliberately amplifying the pandemic. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #53
We are sicker, poorer, and weaker The Blue Flower Aug 2020 #2
Putin wants the West weakened and on its knees. Yavin4 Aug 2020 #29
"Trump is deliberately killing people" No doubt about it. Botany Aug 2020 #3
there is evidence- limbaugh coordinates with the white house and led RW radio denial in certainot Aug 2020 #13
In Oct. & Nov. 2019 our intel knew about the C-19 virus and the coming pandemic. We told Israel ... Botany Aug 2020 #17
This! The dots needed to be connected for all Americans to see clearly FakeNoose Aug 2020 #19
yep the money angle too. they were too stupid and unimaginative to recognize the magnitude of the certainot Aug 2020 #39
Right. Putin has a bounty on American soldiers so why not Americans also? I believe Trump is Illumination Aug 2020 #22
Possible. moondust Aug 2020 #4
It can't be incompetence greymattermom Aug 2020 #54
I've said this from day one. When they learned it was disproportionately Solomon Aug 2020 #5
That is what I thought ,"affecting minorities more" demigoddess Aug 2020 #23
Yes, I agree about their attitude 100% LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #44
Senator Murphy cilla4progress Aug 2020 #6
Small correction Wednesdays Aug 2020 #7
Never thought otherwise since the entire GOP... ananda Aug 2020 #8
He ran saying he could gun down people in Time Square and not be arrested NotASurfer Aug 2020 #9
What I Rebl2 Aug 2020 #10
this llashram Aug 2020 #11
Riddle me this Traildogbob Aug 2020 #12
⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R ⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Aug 2020 #14
He's already lsewpershad Aug 2020 #15
He's miserable! Illumination Aug 2020 #24
Yep. calimary Aug 2020 #16
This is good! Well reasoned & explained for even the simplest minded. liberalla Aug 2020 #18
The traitor is a mass murderer. dalton99a Aug 2020 #20
The ignorance & stupidity of his following is just mind boggling! Illumination Aug 2020 #25
Senator Murphy has planted the flag and is waiting for others NoMoreRepugs Aug 2020 #21
Those that want to join had better hurry up & do it NOW! Illumination Aug 2020 #26
Aside From It Being Tulsa Rather Than Oklahoma City DallasNE Aug 2020 #27
Difference between me and trump... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2020 #28
But why is he infecting his cult members? Their ignorance is killing them judesedit Aug 2020 #30
He doesn't care. moondust Aug 2020 #33
reasons... Locrian Aug 2020 #38
As of 8/27/20 Canada has 126,848 confirmed C-19 cases & 9,102 deaths. 5.3 million tested. Illumination Aug 2020 #31
Am I supposed to feel bad for them? Dukkha Aug 2020 #32
Yep. I just posted about this earlier today on FB and twitter. LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #34
he's also killing people via disruption of the USPS LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #43
proper words matter. He lies, and he murders. get it, media? NRaleighLiberal Aug 2020 #36
Human Sacrifice? earth2jim Aug 2020 #37
Nah, I doubt that DesertRat Aug 2020 #48
His followers (and I talk with many of them) think the Covid risk is over. That is his goal. Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #40
trump is trying to kill me. barbtries Aug 2020 #41
Apart from the fact that it was Tulsa, not OKC., and it is OUR CDC, not the f'n traitorous,murdering niyad Aug 2020 #42
Actually, I wonder if it was a Freudian slip with the white supremacist attack on OKC in 1995 LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #45
Chris was specifically referring to him NOT wearing a mask and NOT social distancing, so I niyad Aug 2020 #46
His plan is to kill people. Revenge for being impeached. Petty and vindictive. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2020 #47
May be bdamomma Aug 2020 #49
What Murphy said 100% oasis Aug 2020 #50
K&R smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #51
We need to start labeling correctly BonnieJW Aug 2020 #52

benfranklin1776

(7,022 posts)
35. I agree.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:08 PM
Aug 2020

Third degree murder-his actions have shown depraved indifference to human life. Jared also as he willfully scrapped his testing “plan“ such that it was to inflict maximum carnage on people in blue states. Targeting people for harm based on membership in a political group meets the UN’a definition of genocide as well. In for a dime in for a dollar I guess, but they should be in prison for life because of their heinous acts.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
53. That's the truth as I've seen it from day 1. Deliberately amplifying the pandemic.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 08:42 AM
Aug 2020

Putin is paying him to destroy us. And Trump is doing so, with glee.

The Blue Flower

(6,533 posts)
2. We are sicker, poorer, and weaker
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:38 AM
Aug 2020

To quote the Mooch. It's there for all to see. What we all must ask is, "To what end?" What's Putin's long-term objective after his asset has brought this country to its knees?

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
29. Putin wants the West weakened and on its knees.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:54 PM
Aug 2020

He does not have the military power to make it happen, so he relies on weakening his enemies from within.

Botany

(77,529 posts)
3. "Trump is deliberately killing people" No doubt about it.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:38 AM
Aug 2020

The only question is he doing it on Putin's orders? And gutting the social security trust
fund will kill seniors too.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
13. there is evidence- limbaugh coordinates with the white house and led RW radio denial in
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:58 PM
Aug 2020

concert with trump. limbaugh would not have called it a hoax if trump had wanted to fix it. it's that simple.

the rw has done it before in 2014 when limbaugh and putin helper/tool jerome corsi spent much of the oct 2014 screaming about the threat of ebola - and it got the cons 9 senate seats. it looked like they were trying to use the congo 2019 outbreak, with social media trolls inciting attacks on ebola clinics, but they got it under control. then along come COVID and trump is dumb enough to think the two compare. just yesterday a local rw radio shit suggests biden can fix covid if he's going to leave the border open for infected people.

putin has been using limbaugh since at least 2008 and it might have been his neighbor and golf partner trump who got them hooked up

there is plenty for murphy and dems to follow up on, and media

it is a mistake for media to keep suggesting it's incompetence

Botany

(77,529 posts)
17. In Oct. & Nov. 2019 our intel knew about the C-19 virus and the coming pandemic. We told Israel ...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:05 PM
Aug 2020

... about it. Both Trump and Kushner tried to use that knowledge to make money off of the
coming disease the first by trying to sell their own C-19 test kits (which didn't work) instead of
the W.H.O.'s test kit and by buying up a lot of HCQ (hydroxychloroquine).


FakeNoose

(41,931 posts)
19. This! The dots needed to be connected for all Americans to see clearly
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:15 PM
Aug 2020

Chump's and Kushner's motive was greed. They wanted to cash in on our misery, and they didn't care how.

I sincerely hope the US media outlets get this story out soon!


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
39. yep the money angle too. they were too stupid and unimaginative to recognize the magnitude of the
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:25 PM
Aug 2020

pandemic, the implications, and just started listing how they could benefit

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
22. Right. Putin has a bounty on American soldiers so why not Americans also? I believe Trump is
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:32 PM
Aug 2020

an agent for Putin. Not so far fetched...

moondust

(21,306 posts)
4. Possible.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:38 AM
Aug 2020

As some have been suggesting for some time.

I could be wrong but I got the feeling from Mary Trump when she was on with Rachel, Nicolle, and Joy during the RNC that she thinks it's deliberate. Somebody on the panel mentioned "negligence" or "incompetence" and I think she immediately added something like "It's not just negligence/incompetence."

Let the Nuremberg investigation begin.

greymattermom

(5,807 posts)
54. It can't be incompetence
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:03 AM
Aug 2020

because incompetent people sometimes do the right thing by accident. They ALWAYS do whatever harms us the most.

Solomon

(12,647 posts)
5. I've said this from day one. When they learned it was disproportionately
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020

affecting minorities and old people they eased up on doing anything about it. He kept saying "some people say we should just ride it out".

I was not surprised at all when they reported that they didn't formulate a national plan because the virus was hurting the blue states. Just surprised that they were stupid enough to think that it would not eventually hit rural areas.

I've even heard religious nuts touting the idea that this is God's way of pruning the garden - that he does it every hundred years or so and since we haven't had any major wars in a while we are kind of overdue. So it's not Trumps fault.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
23. That is what I thought ,"affecting minorities more"
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:35 PM
Aug 2020

Trump wouldn't mind losing those people he hates so much. Probably took pleasure in it.

Also Putin wouldn't mind if it made the US weaker and less important on the international stage. Weaker in our military, weaker in our economy, etc.

Wednesdays

(22,806 posts)
7. Small correction
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:14 PM
Aug 2020

"... like in Oklahoma City"

I think he meant Tulsa. I can't remember the last time Rump was in OKC.

NotASurfer

(2,369 posts)
9. He ran saying he could gun down people in Time Square and not be arrested
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:25 PM
Aug 2020

Then he began to use the full power of the Federal government to kill. At first it was denying healthcare and trying to make abortion back-alley again. Then he found he could use ICE to put vulnerable people in unsanitary conditions and deny them care. Hurricanes and wildfires kill, but he does everything in his power to amplify the misery and death. Stochastic terrorism at every rally. Covid is something out of his wildest death-fetish fantasies. He can kill hundreds of thousands of people, and encourage people to throw themselves gleefully on the ever-growing pyre, and feels like he can do so with immunity.

Rebl2

(17,827 posts)
10. What I
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:36 PM
Aug 2020

don’t get is he is doing this to people that would vote for him—when he wears no mask and doesn’t require it of those in the crowds that come to see him. Some will get sick and die.

Traildogbob

(13,071 posts)
12. Riddle me this
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:52 PM
Aug 2020

How many Americans have, and continue to die for us invading and killing Sadam and his kids? To liberate and bring them democracy.
Sadam was a power freak, greedy, corrupt lying murderer. He gassed and used chemicals on his own people opposing his rule. He let those not with him die with no drugs for the simplest fixable illnesses. He was as corrupt as they come, and drug his whole government and military into the Oil Giants propping them up to eliminate regulations and drill baby drill. He had to have 24/7 TV and media praising his leadership. Had to have his name and face everywhere. He would send HIS military to take out protestors against him. His none military thugs would roam streets and kill opposition, many very young males doing the killing. He loved and wanted to use nukes. Sadam had a gold fetish. Everything had to be gold. Sadam used Allah to suck in the fools, he feared no gods or believed in one.
We, Democrats, are trumps Kurds. Exterminate us.
If you think Trump will not have a
Military uniform and firing an assault rifle into the air with his cult shooting with him shouting, Allah, I mean Jesus, is great at his daily rallies in his second and third and fourth term, well. Ya ain’t thinking!
If Sadam was alive still in power, he would be trumps BFF with Putin and Kim et.al. He would be writing love letters with non disclosed conversations.
If Iraq invaded us and took out him and his spawn, as Cheney says, they would be seen as liberators.
We did not destroy Sadam and his murderous dictatorship, we brought it here. Again, I ask, how many Americans died, are crippled physically and mentally to remove Sadam and bring democracy?
Nobody is coming to liberate us and pull down the towers that represent trump. It is on us.
Or, get a camel and a hooka and roam the desolate deserts of a climate ravaged country of fire, oil rigs everywhere, poison water, air, food, oligarchs and murder if ya speak out. Anybody wanna live on dates.
The parallels of trump and GOP to Sadam and his cronies, are not that different......yet.

lsewpershad

(2,620 posts)
15. He's already
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:02 PM
Aug 2020

paying for his sins...
Just look at his face- his stance, his gate , his mispronounced words... on and on.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,151 posts)
21. Senator Murphy has planted the flag and is waiting for others
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:24 PM
Aug 2020

in positions of power and authority to join him. The MSM other than FauxNews and HateRadio need to really think about getting on board. Four more years of tRUMP is going to affect each and every one of them in ways they cannot imagine. Enemies lists and prosecution are not out of the question. The foreign press can see it - why can’t ours??

DallasNE

(8,015 posts)
27. Aside From It Being Tulsa Rather Than Oklahoma City
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:43 PM
Aug 2020

This is spot on. Also emphasize that it was in Tulsa where not wearing a mask resulted in Herman Cain contacting the disease which was fatal in his case. Provide the specific examples, like Cain, where following the Trump lead has resulted in death.

Another was his Whitehouse talk Thursday where he demanded law and order in Portland, OR and sure enough, last night law and order was applied in Portland and resulted in one man being murdered. There are multiple ways Trump is killing people.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(13,083 posts)
28. Difference between me and trump...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:46 PM
Aug 2020

If I killed 3-4 people in a reckless driving experience, I’d be in prison awaiting trial. I would be found guilty and pay the price with the punishment doled out. Life completely ruined.

Trump will murder tens of thousands...not even get a slap on his puffy wrists.

judesedit

(4,598 posts)
30. But why is he infecting his cult members? Their ignorance is killing them
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:59 PM
Aug 2020

I've read that parents determine the political persuasion of their children, generally speaking. It doesn't make sense. Unless he's warning his favorite white supremacists to stay away from his rallies and just continue sowing destruction and violence in blue states. He has to have some stooges to show he has a following for the media. I guess if Jim Jones did it, Dumpy can do the same thing to his followers. Still doesn't make sense to me though. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me to have them all wiped off the face of this earth. Btw, I'm white. They are poison for this country.

moondust

(21,306 posts)
33. He doesn't care.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:03 PM
Aug 2020

If necessary, he can easily convince himself that it's only affecting his enemies.

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
38. reasons...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:23 PM
Aug 2020

1) - he doesn't care. really.
2) - he's short term - and short term it plays to the "ain't no virus gonna stop me" crowd
3) - its a cult, and to them it would either be gods will or the dems fault. never trump
4) - it just reinforces the mindset with them that it's the "final hour" and only trump can save them. sick I know.

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
31. As of 8/27/20 Canada has 126,848 confirmed C-19 cases & 9,102 deaths. 5.3 million tested.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:59 PM
Aug 2020

As of 8/30/20 New Zealand has 1,729 confirmed & probable cases with 22 deaths. As of today 8/30/20 the U.S. has 5,934,824 cases & 182,149 deaths!!!

LymphocyteLover

(9,947 posts)
34. Yep. I just posted about this earlier today on FB and twitter.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:06 PM
Aug 2020

I think he is trying to kill as many people as possible before he loses. God knows he has no real plans otherwise.

earth2jim

(7 posts)
37. Human Sacrifice?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:09 PM
Aug 2020

Is it possible that trump sees his followers deaths and willful exposure to Covid 19 as human sacrifice to him (Narcissistic Personality Disorder dsm 5)

barbtries

(31,319 posts)
41. trump is trying to kill me.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:41 PM
Aug 2020

i'm 65, obese, a smoker, high blood pressure.
and a hermit who is fortunate enough to not have to go anywhere. I go outside to walk the dogs a couple times a day. my sons do all my running for me. in fact I drove yesterday for the first time in 5 months because my grandson came to visit and needed a ride to the airport.
just having visitors after all this time was dicey. i didn't invite anyone but then was so happy to see them though i did insist on safety measures.

i'm okay with dying. it happens to us all. i don't want to die from covid.

niyad

(133,033 posts)
42. Apart from the fact that it was Tulsa, not OKC., and it is OUR CDC, not the f'n traitorous,murdering
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:22 PM
Aug 2020

orange monster's, I agree. This is deliberate murder.

LymphocyteLover

(9,947 posts)
45. Actually, I wonder if it was a Freudian slip with the white supremacist attack on OKC in 1995
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:41 PM
Aug 2020

niyad

(133,033 posts)
46. Chris was specifically referring to him NOT wearing a mask and NOT social distancing, so I
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 06:38 PM
Aug 2020

do 't think it was a Freudian slip.

bdamomma

(69,582 posts)
49. May be
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 06:56 PM
Aug 2020

tRump is paving a way for Russian occupants, he's killing off Americans, and opening borders for Russians, I maybe way off but with this POS you never know.

BonnieJW

(3,128 posts)
52. We need to start labeling correctly
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 08:37 AM
Aug 2020

The Trump Pandemic or Trump's pandemic
Trump's Riot
Trump's Depression
Trump's Economic Disaster
Trump's Jobless Rate
Trump's Covid Deaths
Trump's Post Office Slow Down

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