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It was fecking Rod Rosenstein who killed the Mueller investigation (Original Post) EleanorR Aug 2020 OP
Certainly makes total sense Docreed2003 Aug 2020 #1
Never trusted that SOB. triron Aug 2020 #34
What I Wonder Is, What Was/Is Rod's Pay-Off Me. Aug 2020 #2
It's sitting in the bank of Cypress mjvpi Aug 2020 #4
And/or the other option behind door #2.... FarPoint Aug 2020 #9
Maybe this? Qutzupalotl Aug 2020 #46
THat's It Me. Aug 2020 #48
Will Rosenstein have any comment about this? Grasswire2 Aug 2020 #3
I'm beginning to think Trump has peeked into IRS records Baked Potato Aug 2020 #5
"...without telling anyone..." live love laugh Aug 2020 #6
Where does it say "anyone"? Spazito Aug 2020 #17
The Muelller Investigation was on a tightrope, beginning to end. empedocles Aug 2020 #7
Mueller is a shitbag SheltieLover Aug 2020 #8
Mueller played his investigation based upon standards of 1980's and 90's... FarPoint Aug 2020 #10
Wonder what he thinks now? He allowed us to end up here, no courage. 😡 SaveOurDemocracy Aug 2020 #15
Yes, what does he think now? Doubt he will speak out either. triron Aug 2020 #35
What kind of standards? Ken Starr had full, unlimited range as special investigator;Mueller's range ancianita Aug 2020 #18
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #11
THAT asshole. Kid Berwyn Aug 2020 #21
Isn't Mueller good friends with Barr to? marlakay Aug 2020 #23
I just KNEW that Rosenstein was a GOOD GUY, and I'll never recover from his treachery Leghorn21 Aug 2020 #12
Norm Eisen- Mueller simply failed. But Rod betrayed us. EleanorR Aug 2020 #13
That's why Biden must appoint an *Independent* Prosecutor to Investigate Trump Fiendish Thingy Aug 2020 #14
Absolutely, yes. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #19
It must be an Independent, not Special Prosecutor Fiendish Thingy Aug 2020 #36
Comey may not be a good guy, but he did pretty much telegraph MadLinguist Aug 2020 #16
It's the Republican taint on their objectivity. Just enough to taint their judgment and decisions, ancianita Aug 2020 #20
Mueller should have called a news conference and, surrounded by his associates,... SaveOurDemocracy Aug 2020 #22
yep. triron Aug 2020 #37
+1000% mazzarro Aug 2020 #41
Rosenstein Also Prohibited Mueller DallasNE Aug 2020 #24
Rosenstein was more than willing to be an organ grinder's monkey. oasis Aug 2020 #42
Yes, Mueller let Don, Jr. off the hook for strange reasons. triron Aug 2020 #45
The WHOLE RETHUGLICON party bluestarone Aug 2020 #25
Everything is so fucked up. I started having doubts about Rosenstein, but liberalla Aug 2020 #26
K&R for exposure!! 2naSalit Aug 2020 #27
Now we know why Rod had so many meetings at the WH Wanderlust988 Aug 2020 #28
Worse yet, it gave Trump and the GOP 2+ years to cover up their crimes and initiate new ones Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #29
No one else was in the room where it happened. tavernier Aug 2020 #30
Cheating fair and square though? czarjak Aug 2020 #31
While the RW media railed at him full blast too. Ligyron Aug 2020 #32
I'm pretty sure I recall DUers speculating on this a couple of years ago. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2020 #33
I grew wary of Rosenstein after the Comey firing, esp. after his gag-worthy praise of the Head MAGAt deurbano Aug 2020 #38
Rosenstein praised Trump's response to "Charlottseville"? WTF! oasis Aug 2020 #47
And it was barely covered at the time! I think a lot of people were just holding their collective deurbano Aug 2020 #50
K&R McCamy Taylor Aug 2020 #39
and yet mueller STILL was able to return proof of obstruction that he said he could indict Takket Aug 2020 #40
Very good point EleanorR Aug 2020 #44
ANd there you have it Bettie Aug 2020 #43
Friend of Bret Kavanaugh RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2020 #49
Friend and big supporter dalton99a Aug 2020 #51
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Aug 2020 #52

Qutzupalotl

(14,330 posts)
46. Maybe this?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:35 PM
Aug 2020



Good time to point out Rod Rosenstein is now in private practice representing an Israeli tech firm that the Senate Intelligence Committee identified as a foreign interference actor for the Trump Campaign.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
5. I'm beginning to think Trump has peeked into IRS records
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:57 PM
Aug 2020

of many people. That could be his leverage over some players.

live love laugh

(13,132 posts)
6. "...without telling anyone..."
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:57 PM
Aug 2020

🙄

Welp that takes Trump off the hook.

Fortunate smiles Trump’s way once again with yet another favorable “coincidence.”

Spazito

(50,473 posts)
17. Where does it say "anyone"?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

From what I read it was "without telling the bureau" which has nothing to do with whether trump knew or not.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
8. Mueller is a shitbag
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:09 PM
Aug 2020

Should have spoken out about this AND many other issues.

But no. Once a repuke, always a traitor these days.

FarPoint

(12,443 posts)
10. Mueller played his investigation based upon standards of 1980's and 90's...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:11 PM
Aug 2020

Thus, he never sensed pure corruption was really on Pennsylvania Ave.

ancianita

(36,136 posts)
18. What kind of standards? Ken Starr had full, unlimited range as special investigator;Mueller's range
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

was waay more limited.

If he'd had Starr's full range of investigative standards, we'd have impeached and indicted Trump because we'd have had his tax returns. By investigative standards of the 80's he'd be in jail right now.

Kid Berwyn

(14,963 posts)
21. THAT asshole.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:36 PM
Aug 2020

He’s Trump’s boss’ boss.

Barr told a guidance counselor he wanted to head the CIA.

From The New Yorker:

...When Barr was an undergraduate, at Columbia, his classmates marched against the war in Vietnam. Barr wanted instead to buttress American power. He had told a guidance counsellor that he hoped one day to lead the C.I.A., and, during breaks from school, he spent two summers as an intern there. In 1973, he finished a master’s degree in Government and Chinese Studies and returned to the C.I.A. as an intelligence analyst. At the time, a Senate investigation—known as the Church Committee—was uncovering decades of abuses at the C.I.A., and laws were being passed to curtail them. Barr later recalled the effort as a kind of assault, delivering “body blows” to the agency....

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/01/20/william-barr-trumps-sword-and-shield?verso=true

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
12. I just KNEW that Rosenstein was a GOOD GUY, and I'll never recover from his treachery
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:25 PM
Aug 2020

On the bright side, *nobody* likes him...I still see trump humper memes that have him locked up with HRC and President Obama, and when he tweets, everyone who replies has NO kind words for him

For all the good that does America

EleanorR

(2,395 posts)
13. Norm Eisen- Mueller simply failed. But Rod betrayed us.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:25 PM
Aug 2020

180,000 people are dead. Our parents, our grandparents, our children. Trump is burning the country to the ground. Rosenstein should be utterly and deeply ashamed of himself.


Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
14. That's why Biden must appoint an *Independent* Prosecutor to Investigate Trump
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:26 PM
Aug 2020

Independent Prosecutor (Watergate, Iran Contra) has more authority and autonomy than Meuller style Special Prosecutors.

That way, the IC’s investigations can last beyond the Biden presidency if needed.

Lonestarblue

(10,078 posts)
19. Absolutely, yes.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:33 PM
Aug 2020

The Special Prosecutor should start work on January 21. Maybe someone like Preet Bharara, although he could be a good AG.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
36. It must be an Independent, not Special Prosecutor
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:35 PM
Aug 2020

Congress must pass legislation renewing the Independent Prosecutor law, which expired after Ken Starr. An Independent Prosecutor would be unrestrained, unlike a Special Prosecutor, whose mission can be narrowed, truncated or terminated.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
16. Comey may not be a good guy, but he did pretty much telegraph
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

in that time-frame where he thought Rosenstein's loyalties lay. The cagey way Rosenstein carried himself and chose his words and his silences persuaded me that Comey had him dead to rights. At this point, ACAB, right to the top is how I have to see it.

ancianita

(36,136 posts)
20. It's the Republican taint on their objectivity. Just enough to taint their judgment and decisions,
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:34 PM
Aug 2020

not enough for the public or Congressional lawyers to believe.

They add up in the end to one big justice delayed. Which is justice denied.

SaveOurDemocracy

(4,400 posts)
22. Mueller should have called a news conference and, surrounded by his associates,...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:38 PM
Aug 2020

...declared that he was unable to do a full and fair investigation with the demands, lack of cooperation, and restraints coming from the White House and the DOJ. Then, he should have called for an independent counsel to take over.

I would have had respect for him if he'd pushed back. He HAD to have seen what was behind the curtain, yet he did nothing. He is not a stupid man, he knew who and what was happening. As far as I'm concerned, he's complicit.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
24. Rosenstein Also Prohibited Mueller
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:44 PM
Aug 2020

From probing possible criminal matters involving the Trump family, including the Trump Tower meeting. Now we know why Trump never seriously moved to fire Rosenstein. Trump had him in his hip pocket.

triron

(22,020 posts)
45. Yes, Mueller let Don, Jr. off the hook for strange reasons.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:21 PM
Aug 2020

Probably per directives from Rosenstein.

liberalla

(9,260 posts)
26. Everything is so fucked up. I started having doubts about Rosenstein, but
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:50 PM
Aug 2020

to have it confirmed is disappointing. Having had doubts it's not a total gut punch. I still have hope we'll find our way out.

All the machinations and manipulation that went on... it's mind boggling. The whole thing was a show. The players were well cast, and apparently quite motivated.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
28. Now we know why Rod had so many meetings at the WH
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:53 PM
Aug 2020

with Trump. He was telling Trump to not worry cause he curtailed the investigation in order to save his own job.

This is why we need a permanent law for an independent special counsel.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
29. Worse yet, it gave Trump and the GOP 2+ years to cover up their crimes and initiate new ones
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:56 PM
Aug 2020

Rosenstein should be the first to stand trial. While the American people believed that the Mueller investigation was to be comprehensive, apolitical and democratic, a belief that could not be corroborated because it was quietly being handled by the DOJ, the fascists continued to undermine democracy and the will of the people. Those 2 years could have been put to better use; I'm sure if the Democrats in Congress were aware of the subterfuge, they would have approached everything quite differently.

Those 2 years may end up spelling the demise of the United States of America. Only our votes stand in their path, and even that may have been sabotaged beyond repair. Rosenstein is as much a traitor to our country as Benedict Arnold. He should suffer his fate.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
32. While the RW media railed at him full blast too.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:26 PM
Aug 2020

While many on our side thought he was going insure a full investigation that would save us and lead to the downfall of Trump.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
33. I'm pretty sure I recall DUers speculating on this a couple of years ago.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:27 PM
Aug 2020

And getting mixed reviews for their theories. I think it makes sense.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
38. I grew wary of Rosenstein after the Comey firing, esp. after his gag-worthy praise of the Head MAGAt
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:40 PM
Aug 2020

(regarding Charlottesville!) which I shared (below) in 2018: [Because I expressed my (justifiable) concerns about him, one poster asked if i was "comfortable" aligning myself with Gowdy and Jordan "in smearing and and attempting to discredit Rosenstein"!]

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10142098208#post1

http://www.jewishaz.com/us_worldnews/rosenstein-praises-lincolnesque-trump/article_bd428478-53b6-11e8-88db-fba784f207f5.html

Rosenstein praises ‘Lincolnesque’ Trump
Wednesday, May 9, 2018

<<Embattled Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told a Washington audience Sunday that President Donald Trump’s words after last year’s deadly white supremacist march in Charlottesville represented a message of unity that needed to be heard during a divisive period in American history.

Following the murder of a counterprotester by a white nationalist, Trump said, “You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. … You also had some very fine people on both sides.”

“President Trump recognized last August that no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag and we are all made by the same almighty God,” Rosenstein said at the Anti-Defamation League’s annual leadership summit...

Rosenstein said Trump’s call for more tolerance after the Charlottesville rally resembled President Abraham Lincoln’s 1861 inaugural address. In that speech, the 16th president urged unity despite bitter divisions between the North and the South over slavery.

“Lincoln insisted his opponents were not enemies, because we were all Americans,” Rosenstein said. “He concluded his inaugural address by appealing to the better angels of our nature. President Trump echoed that statement with his remarks last summer of ‘we must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.’”...


“When victims are attacked because of their race, religion, gender or sexual orientation, there are laws that empower [the Justice Department] to respond,” he said. “Enforcing those laws is important to President Trump and Attorney General Sessions.”>>

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
50. And it was barely covered at the time! I think a lot of people were just holding their collective
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:06 PM
Aug 2020

breath, hoping Rosenstein had a master plan to stay in the thing's good graces (which fawning praise might achieve) in order to ultimately save the day (our democracy), but unfortunately his master plan involved the opposite goal. He was always one of them. I was rather shocked when I saw Mueller's testimony, since we had been so regaled by stories of him from an earlier time, but he seemed faded, maybe even ill, and now I wonder if that's the reason he was chosen. (Unimpeachable reputation, but not actually up to the job now.) Rosenstein and Barr are both such contemptible, evil weasels.

Takket

(21,626 posts)
40. and yet mueller STILL was able to return proof of obstruction that he said he could indict
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:49 PM
Aug 2020

on if not for the stupid "memo" at the DOJ (which BTW needs to be eliminated day one of the next administration).

Rosenstein played impartial for the camera but was undermining his own investigators the whole time. he's an absolute snake. someday we will know the truth of it all...........

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