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Listening to Mayor Wheeler I am wondering if most of the violence happened (Original Post) progressive nobody Aug 2020 OP
There has been unrelated violence nightly for 3 months. CentralMass Aug 2020 #1
If chanting insults at police constitutes "unrelated violence," maybe... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #6
There are many nightly video links to vandalism in Portland. Starting CentralMass Aug 2020 #8
Would there have been violence if the enemy wasn't there? The Trump supporters also doc03 Aug 2020 #2
Yes, Trumpers have a right to protest... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #7
His initial statement was amazing. Absolutely MUST SEE. ariadne0614 Aug 2020 #3
You go Ted! Ruby Zee Aug 2020 #4
He is a good man RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2020 #5


(15,265 posts)
1. There has been unrelated violence nightly for 3 months.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:37 PM
Aug 2020

This shooting incident appears to be due to a counter protest of a Proud Boys drive thru rally.

According to the Police chief in the news conference happening now they still do have enough information or evidence to determine who shot the mandor why.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
6. If chanting insults at police constitutes "unrelated violence," maybe...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:16 PM
Aug 2020

But there has been anything but widespread violence. The most we've seen is an occasional thrown water bottle at riot police, or maybe a mattress set on fire in the street.

It should also be noted that the protests in Portland, much like elsewhere in the U.S., had been winding down after a few weeks of mass demonstrations over the murder of George Floyd. Then Trump's administration sent federal forces into Portland, against the opposition of the mayor and governor, and they started abducting "suspected demonstrators" off the street blocks away from any protests (and blocks away from any federal properties they were ostensibly there to protect). It was at that point that protests flared up again, and they've been going on since.


(15,265 posts)
8. There are many nightly video links to vandalism in Portland. Starting
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 06:04 PM
Aug 2020

On night one. This includes businesses being trashed and looted and the federal building vandalized with a fires set inside. The fact that there were massive daytime peaceful marches and rallies does not excuse the violent acts to provoke a response from the police nearly every night for 3 months. You could have 400 people in front of that fenced off federal building but the small handful up at the front trying to break back in a
In some case succeeding to vandalize the building some more, set fires, throw rocks, bottles, fire works, hammers etc at the police are what incited the nightly declarations of riots and or lesser civil disturbance declarations. The hundreds of peaceful people in the late night crowds were caught up in the tear gas etc due to the action of the militant aholes upfront provoking a response from the police every night.
It IMO gave tRump the opening to bring in the feds on night 35 .
The claim that these protests have been without violence and provocation is true only if omit that truth.

There was one night where Mayor Ted Wheeler joined the crowd at the fence and he stated that he saw first hand that there were individuals provoking an incident. If I recall he stated they tried to get him to throw something at the police and some tried to stop him when he went to leave.


(35,255 posts)
2. Would there have been violence if the enemy wasn't there? The Trump supporters also
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:43 PM
Aug 2020

have the right to protest. The protests in Portland have been going on for weeks, let the MAGAts have their day. Trump was
itching for a confrontation, so now he has it?

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
7. Yes, Trumpers have a right to protest...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:20 PM
Aug 2020

What they don't have the right to do is drive around the city shooting people with paintball guns and hitting them with pepper spray, which is precisely what they were doing Saturday evening. Imagine if armed caravans of BLM protesters had been doing the same in the rural towns of Oregon and Washington where these militia types come from -- do you think they would shove it off and say "well, they have the right to protest?"


(2,661 posts)
5. He is a good man
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:08 PM
Aug 2020

Doing his very best. Portland has it's share of Magats and apparently they all have big A trucks and drive like crap and they all have flags that will be useless in about 80 days or so.

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