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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs Trump's popularity slips in latest Military Times poll, more troops say they'll vote for Biden
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)even be counted??
I do know as a matter of personal observation among the veterans I know that voted for trump in 2016, none are voting for him this time around.
TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)You'd have to have access to all of the ballots in every state in order to make that work, and I"d sure as hell hate to be the guy in charge of making it happen.
TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts).
If they are on base, they're identity is known. If they submit them at an embassy, they show their passport.
They can then be mailed to the respective states for final resolution.
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COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)In that case, I think it's a great idea for all the reasons you mention!
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Has a D presidential candidate ever led with the military?
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Most troops were pretty unhappy with being shipped out to Iraq at that point and Obama was campaigning on ending the war.
Norbert
(6,039 posts)In the latest results based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)destruction of USPS . .
KS Toronado
(17,193 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ridiculous, I know. Nowhere to drop ballots off in TN. Must be mailed.
KS Toronado
(17,193 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)And yes, Joe will! I can't wait!
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)lives in Memphis area and she votes early. She has never complained of long lines.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I never have long lines either in this area.
But I fear some folks might request mail-in ballots, with the intention of dropping off on election day, only to find that this is not allowed.
oasis
(49,370 posts)and abandoning our allies in Syria...a point that has faded away and needs to be brought back up in the debates and other places.
oasis
(49,370 posts)was always a problem.
Paladin
(28,250 posts)trump has treated the military like dog shit, from ignoring/insulting/firing the Chiefs of Staff, to enlisted men dying from Russian-financed bullets, to sailors stuck on Covid-ravaged ships, to war criminals getting pardons. Enough.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Sickening!
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Every flipped voter counts as 2! 1 more for us, 1 less for Trump!
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)or 34% who wouldn't vote Trump but still wouldn't vote Clinton in 2016? It's a rhetorical question, of course.
Have nephew who left military after his first hitch. When asked why he said it was mostly the shock he got when his commanding officer told his command to either vote republican or don't let him find out that they didn't.
LaMouffette
(2,023 posts)A while back, someone else here on DU posted this list of anti-military actions Trump has taken. There are so many that it's incredible that anyone in the military could still support this traitorous buffoon. Anyway, thought I would copy and paste the list here as a reminder, and thank you to the original poster of this list!
Read It and Weep (for America)
Trump knew since Mar 2020 that Russia paid bounties to kill American troops, yet he has done nothing.
In May 2020, the White House ended National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits
The Trump admin seized 5 million masks intended for VA hospitals. Kushner distributes these masks to private entities for a fee, who then sells the masks to the government
Trump fired the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after he warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among his crew. The virus subsequently spread amongst the crew.
After Iran's retaliatory strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as "headaches"
On July 20, 2017, in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, Trump told a room full of Generals, "Youre a bunch of dopes and babies"
Pardoned multiple war criminals, which stomped on long standing military values, discipline, and command. Trump has no military experience (May&Nov, 2019)
Trump mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. He threatened said purple heart officer, resulting in the Army providing him protection
Trumps Chief of Staff workedin secretto deny comprehensive health coverage to Vietnam Vets who suffered from Agent Orange.
There is a facility in Tijuana for US veterans that Trump deported. Wounded war vet, Sen Duckworth (D) marked Veterans Day 2019 by visiting this facility
Russia took control of the main U.S. military facility in Syria abandoned on Trumps orders. Russia now owns the airstrip we built
On Oct 7, 2019, Trump abruptly withdrew support from America's allies in Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces.
Trump sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11
In Sept 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew, flying from the U.S. to Kuwait stop in Scotland (where there's no U.S. base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn't close to the airport). Trumps golf courses are losing money, so he's forcing the military to pay for 5-star nights there.
In Sept, 2019, Pentagon pulled funds for military schools, military housing funds, and daycare to pay for Trump's border wall.
In Aug, 2019, emails revealed that three of Trump's Mar-a-Lago pals, who are now running Veterans Affairs, are rampant with meddling. "They had no experience in veterans affairs (none of them even served in the military) nor underwent any kind of approval process to serve as de facto managers. Yet, with Trumps approval, they directed actions and criticized operations without any oversight. They wasted valuable staff time in hundreds of pages of communications and meetings, emails show. Emails reveal disdainful attitudes within the department to the trios meddling."
Veterans graves will be "dug up" for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they break the law by illegally seizing property
Children of deployed US troops are no longer guaranteed citizenship. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019)
On Aug 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall
On July 31, 2019, Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who were prosecuted war criminals
Trump denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his citizenship interview (Reported July 17, 2019)
Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (July 4, 2019)
Trump demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)
In June, 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance"
Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (June 6, 2019)
Trump started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midler, of all people) (reported on June 4th, 2019)
Trump made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported June 4th, 2019)
On May 27, 2019, Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech because they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain
Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)
Trump purged 200,000 vets' healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VAs enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019)
Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019)
On March 20, 2019, Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral
Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019, Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, forcing the Coast Guard to go without pay, which made service members rely on food pantries. However, his appointees got a $10,000 pay raise
He banned service members from serving based on gender identity (1/22/2019)
He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published Jan 18, 2019)
He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (Jan 16, 2019)
When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest cash advances," Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1 (Jan 26, 2019)
He called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (Jan 1, 2019)
He increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018)
He finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (Dec 26, 2018)
He revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018)
Trump lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). He tried giving the military a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. Congress told him that idea wasn't going to work. Then after giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't.
He fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays
He tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (Dec 17, 2018)
He called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)
He urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (Nov 12, 2018)
He canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (Nov 12, 2018)
While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain -- other world leaders went anyway (Nov 10, 2018)
He used troops as a political prop by sending them on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018)
He stopped using troops as a political prop immediately after the election. However, the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (Nov 7, 2018)
Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many vets to run out of food and rent. (reported October 7, 2018)
Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (July 5, 2018)
Trump deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018)
He forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017)
He sent commandos into an ambush due to a lack of intel, and sends contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. (Trump approved the mission because Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it) (Oct 4, 2017)
He blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017)
He ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present)
He deported veterans (2017-present)
He said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016)
On Oct 3, 2016, Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong (note: yes, he said it's 'because they aren't strong.' He didn't say it's 'because they're weak.' This distinction is important because of Snopes)
Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier. (Aug 2, 2016)
Trump attacks Gold Star families: Myeshia Johnson (gold star widow), Khan family (gold star parents) etc. (2016-present)
Trump sent funds raised from a Jan 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities (the foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud) (Jan, 2016)
Trump said he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because he went to a military-style academy (2015 biography)
Trump said he doesn't consider POWs heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who were not caught (July 18, 2015)
Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998)
For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. 1991
Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
No Trump in America has ever served in the military; this spans 5 generations, and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service
calimary
(81,198 posts)We need to keep remembering these things. Keeping track.
The Jewish communitys post-Holocaust reminder of Never Forget is a good motivator for now. We can and should take inspiration from it. We must NEVER allow the firehose and the continuing floods of lies and distortions and crimes and treason and other poisons to drown out OR rewrite the record of what hes done, or caused to be done.
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts). . .was a fiasco. And a Navy SEAL died from that decision.
MerryBlooms
(11,761 posts)LaMouffette
(2,023 posts)Truer words were never spoken: "Don't trust your kid's life, or your own, with Donald Trump."
MerryBlooms
(11,761 posts)liberalla
(9,234 posts)Again, Thank you.
LaMouffette
(2,023 posts)I tried to find it, but my search talents failed me!
I noticed re-reading the list that it needs to be updated to include other transgressions against the military. For example, there's nothing about Lieutenant Colonel Vindman and his brother being unceremoniously escorted from the White House grounds.
I just hope this horror show ends in November, well, January.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Force if he supported Bush. Our kids played baseball together and without hesitation he replied "I love him". Now this was at a time when the soldiers were getting blown up because they didn't have the right equipment and had to rummage through the scrap yards to reinforce their trucks. I just shook my head.
IronLionZion
(45,420 posts)since there is a clear difference here. Military probably don't like Russian bounties on their heads, or how badly he failed service members infected by COVID, or using military equipment on Americans.
DownriverDem
(6,227 posts)My concern is that the repubs will and are cheating. How many trump voters are just silent voters? Will those ballots even be counted? I wake up every day frustrated and depressed about trump.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Would be saddened to see this. WTF, Marines?
gristy
(10,667 posts)Trump is heading into the campaigns home stretch without a significant lead
wtf, he's TRAILING, you moron!!
orangecrush
(19,517 posts)niyad
(113,245 posts)while on the campaign trail always amazed me. None of the veterans Whom I know personally could stand him.
LAS14
(13,781 posts)BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)marlakay
(11,447 posts)Voting for Biden. They told me they would be moderate republicans if there was such a thing. My daughter says Trump has no values, they aren't religious and she always tells me I have more morals than Christians.