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Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:59 PM Aug 2020

Trump doesn't have some grand plan, he is just making his loss way harder than it needs to be

I know we are a bit hesitant to say that Trump will almost certainly lose, just vote, don't get cocky, ECT but objectively he is probably heading for a loss, maybe even a pretty big loss. I've seen a few elections in my day, as I'm sure many of you have. I remember 1996 and 2008, where one candidate running for president had very little chance of winning. During those elections, the person who is staring down defeat tends to put on a brave face and goes down with dignity. They stay on message, act hopeful, and whatever happens happens.

With Trump, I see a George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Bob Dole or John McCain situation but without the grace or dignity in defeat. When we look at the psychotic RNC shit show, trying to destroy the post office, delay the election, or cause riots in cities (among many other awful behaviors) some people seem concerned that Trump has some grand plan. Fire up the base, suppress the vote and everything will work out for Trump in the end. But the reality seems to be that Trump has no plan. He is a man who is panicked and is just throwing everything against the wall that he thinks is going to stick. That likely seems obvious to most but I think it is important to reiterate that Trump and his team aren't brilliant strategists. They are amateurs in way, way over their heads and they are making his likely loss in November way harder than it has to be. Instead of taking a defeat in stride and keeping any dignity in tact, they are going to make this as painful and destructive as they can.

This is why having a real professional and yes a real politician is important in such powerful positions. Dragging the entire country through an epic temper tantrum will do nothing to help Trump win. All it will do is cause a lot of needless pain and suffering, and damage Trump and the Republicans long term.

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Trump doesn't have some grand plan, he is just making his loss way harder than it needs to be (Original Post) Dr. Jack Aug 2020 OP
Great breakdown!! Thx Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #1
Personally, I cannot wait until the debates. Biden will mop the floor with that brainless jackass. 634-5789 Aug 2020 #2
That is another thing I don't understand Dr. Jack Aug 2020 #3
I am not as sure as you are...... MyOwnPeace Aug 2020 #4
Great post. We must remember that our opponent and his strategists are not geniuses. Like emmaverybo Aug 2020 #5

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
3. That is another thing I don't understand
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 04:10 PM
Aug 2020

The right is lowering expections like crazy for Biden while playing up Trump as the greatest debater that has ever lived. Biden is very experienced at debating and can even land some devastating blows. I would argue he isn't the greatest debater alive but he is fairly good, although occasionally prone to stumbling over his words a bit. Trump is a rambling, racist dumbass with almost no experience in actual debates. Most presidents, like Obama when he was running for reelection, are quite rusty when they have to debate. Trump was a shitty debater four years ago and from what I've seen, he is even more out of it cognitively than he was in 2016.

That again comes down to the amateure nature of his campaign. He's not defying norms because he is some brilliant tactician or setting a new standard. Instead he is just falling into traps that most skilled politicians learn to avoid. Lowering expections for your opponent before a debate is an unforced error.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
4. I am not as sure as you are......
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 04:23 PM
Aug 2020

about the "realities" of the election. I appreciate your confidence in what should be good, provable indicators regarding the election results, but there are some differences in how they are being shown/used now as opposed to elections in the past.

Yes, McGovern, Mondale, Bush, Dole, and McCain all had the same type of information available to them and, as far as we know, worked in an honorable way to make their campaign successful anyhow. I would NEVER accuse any of them of being the least bit dishonorable in any way.

However, this current "president" is NOT like any of them and is certainly not honorable. I would not put it past him to do even more than what he is already doing to skew the information/public/system in any way possible, legal or NOT! The "epic temper tantrum will do nothing to help Trump win" statement is true, but it CAN prolong the agony of his "reign of terror" and at this point I have NO confidence in the "legal system" (yeah, YOU, Billy Barr! ) doing ANYTHING to assure us that any of his actions will not have any impact on a true and just election.

WE MUST GET OUT THE VOTE - the ONLY way to be sure!!!!!



emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
5. Great post. We must remember that our opponent and his strategists are not geniuses. Like
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 05:58 PM
Aug 2020

most sociopaths, Trump does not understand people who, unlike himself, are altruistic, empathetic, driven by doing what’s fair and right. Putin doesn’t understand how much a motivator preserving democracy is to Americans. They can craft a strategy that appeals to Trump’s nutty, racist base and Republicans who put party first, but other than lying and cheating, they don’t have
any game.

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