A talking point - for those starting to rationalize more deaths expected with "herd immunity":

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"I thought you were part of the 'pro-life' crowd."

"So whatever happened to 'pro-life'?"

"And I'll bet you tell people you're 'pro-life'."

Pass it on!


You CANNOT claim you're "pro-life" if you embrace this shit - when this "herd immunity" crap means two-and-some MILLION people will have to die while that dumbfuck idea works its way through the system.

HANG the "pro-life" yowling around their miserable hypocritical necks like the proverbial noose. I'm talking to YOU, Dan Patrick...

[tblue37]

1. They easily align pro-life and pro-death penalty and anti-healthcare. nt

[Blue_true]

3. Yeah. I am not sure that implying that they are hypocrites will make an impression

with them. Anyone that demand that a child be born, but demand that the mother or parents get no assistance if she or they are struggling to feed that child won’t care if someone point out that hundreds of thousands and even millions of people will likely die if Trump gets his way.

[napi21]

2. I just heard a Dr. on MSNBC state that HERD IMMUNITY does not exist! He said studies have

proven that Covid19 has re-infected people who have already had it, same as the common cold.

He was on "the 11th Hour" .

[Blue_true]

5. SARS-COV-2 is a first cousin to common cold coronaviruses.

I am thinking of an idea. Maybe the common cold coronaviruses were much deadlier for us in the way distant past, but mutated over many millennia into something that won’t aggressively kill some of us. If that is what happened with common cold coronaviruses, then the question becomes how long will it take for SARS-COV-2 to mutate to something that won’t aggressively kill some of us?

[struggle4progress]

4. "Pro-lifers for dead grannies"

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6. Yep. That's a good one!

If I ever were to run into Dan Patrick, my comment to him, for that "our old people have a responsibility to die so the rest of us can live" would be: "You first, then!"

[PutGramaOnThePhone]

7. Do you want to offer up your family?

Yeah, pro-life indeed.

Edit: speaking of blathering on, I realize I did did that with this reply . Sorry - a couple of years reading, now feeling ready to post a bit - guess I couldn’t stop myself from poring a bit of what I’ve been thinking into this thread.

I’m not out much, but I’ve heard a few people saying the standard know-it-all line: “we just need to get to heard immunity.” The next time i have the opportunity, I’d like to ask the speaker what they know about herd immunity. I’ve read that experts are estimating that at least 70% of the population would have be infected to reach heard immunity. The cost - as the OP says - would most likely be 2 to 3 million dead. Given that, I’d like to pose the question to someone blathering on about herd immunity, if they want to sign up their parents and grandparent to get infected and get the ball rolling. On top of this, I think we can still say that we don’t really yet know what immunity even means with this virus.

I’m sure the human impact of these herd immunity “experts” plans would also include millions of recovered with lasting heath issues - based on what we are learning about life after catching the virus. My speculation is that forcing heard immunity *could* put enough stress on health care providers and resources, that estimates of a death toll based on current fatality rates could be too low.

Of course there is the way that herd immunity has actually been reached in the past for different diseases - a combination of vaccines and people getting sick. It seems to me that this model, possibly along with some long term behavior modification, is the only sane way to have chance to reach herd immunity with this virus.

Maybe some thoughts to distill down into talking points :

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9. Welcome to DU, PutGramaOnThePhone!

This Grama loves your screen name, btw!

Glad you weighed in, even while having been here for a little while.

Two thoughts come to mind, for addressing someone bleating about "herd immunity."

1) What does that even mean?

2) Okay, then. You first!

[PutGramaOnThePhone]

10. Right on!

Short and pithy!

Thank you!

I never have good screen names. All credit goes to my daughter. She uses it as a wifi router name, and was all all for me using it here.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

8. One Of My Favorite Lines: I Guess All Lives Don't Matter Anymore

I get to use this line often these days. I recently used it when a MAGAt tried to tell me that "only old people die of Coronavirus." I looked at him and said, "I guess all lives don't matter anymore, then, do they?" He did NOT like that.

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11. I was just gonna add something like this up top! BOOM! "I guess All Lives don't matter anymore."

Black OR otherwise.

I think they really need to have this messaging shoved in their faces.

They're NOT "Pro-Life." They're pro-female-domination. Keeping women shackled to old ideas and dictates (usually issued by men) that are irrelevant, unrealistic, blatantly sexist, and thoroughly out-of-date by now. Woman, you MUST bear my precious almighty seed. To term. Without question, and regardless whether your life or circumstances can support the results.