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A- pollster, Emerson, has Trump "right side up" with likely voters on approval now.. (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 OP
and the other polls below have his approval down still_one Sep 2020 #1
almost makes me laugh beachbumbob Sep 2020 #2
Doesn't This Call To Question Their Methodology? ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #3
Bet it's LVs vs RVs DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #5
Give proof of this or delete your post obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #7
I'm not a statistics major maxrandb Sep 2020 #8
The 08 model would be more likely...ridiculous polls . Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #10
If it were LV or RV...it would be noted in the poll if you look at the bones...you should modify Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #11
It says LV in the key. Codeine Sep 2020 #15
It says LV on the 538 chart that was posted DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #16
Goddamn another one of these? vercetti2021 Sep 2020 #4
seriously obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #6
When you get an outlier from a major poll, I think margin of error Amishman Sep 2020 #9
Trashing... Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #12
It's an automated response/landline frame poll DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #13
More DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #14
Biden 21% ahead in suburbs but down slightly in urban areas? Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #17

ProfessorGAC

(64,951 posts)
3. Doesn't This Call To Question Their Methodology?
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:01 AM
Sep 2020

There are other highly rated, or decently rated polls on 538 that are radically different.
I know Emerson is A rated by 538, but to be this different than other well regarded pollsters suggests something is amiss.
Even good professionals make errors.
I wonder if we're looking at one here.

DeminPennswoods

(15,270 posts)
5. Bet it's LVs vs RVs
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:09 AM
Sep 2020

This is a poll of "likely voters". I'm guessing other polls have not yet switched from RVs. Every pollster has their own method for figuring out who is a "likely" voter. I think generally these LV models tend to capture older, more conservative voters who vote more consistently than younger and/or new voters.

maxrandb

(15,310 posts)
8. I'm not a statistics major
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:22 AM
Sep 2020

but I did see in the Emerson release they sent with this "poll" that it was a landline Poll using 2016 turnout model.

I don't think turnout will be anything like 2016.

Like we used to say in the Navy, the word "poll" can have multiple meaning, as in

"The poll was smoking", or "he was smoking poll".

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
10. The 08 model would be more likely...ridiculous polls .
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:36 AM
Sep 2020

it seems as if some want a close race, but I don't believe it is close.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
11. If it were LV or RV...it would be noted in the poll if you look at the bones...you should modify
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:37 AM
Sep 2020

or delete this post.

DeminPennswoods

(15,270 posts)
16. It says LV on the 538 chart that was posted
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 03:16 PM
Sep 2020

Same as it does for the Rasmussen poll. See the key at the bottom of the chart.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
9. When you get an outlier from a major poll, I think margin of error
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:33 AM
Sep 2020

If they get an unusual sample and hit both ends of the margin, you can get funky results like this.

Say reality is 44% approval, 50 disapproval. MoE is 3%, you can get a poll result of a tie at 47% and still be within that MoE.

It IS worth watching the trend though, as this is the poll with the most recent polling period, and we are seeing hot button political topics in the headlines (Kenosha + Portland). One poll is a fluke, half a dozen would be needed to make a trend.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. Biden 21% ahead in suburbs but down slightly in urban areas?
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 04:02 PM
Sep 2020

For reference, the Democratic nominee has been winning the urban vote from 9-28% since 2004.

The low number was Kerry at 9%. Hillary and Obama had gaps of 25+%

Suburbs have moved from GOP advantage, to even, and now to our side, but 21% is too much

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