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MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 09:40 AM Sep 2020

For anyone asking me to have faith in the majority of white voters this November...

In spite of everything that Trump and the Republicans have done, well...

Good luck with that.

As far as I’m concerned, The Whitelash still abides.

This election is going to come down to the bleached white majority who looks at Trump and sees “Their President” that they’re willing to uphold at all costs and a Rainbow Coalition of everybody else who are both appalled at him and willing to do what it takes to remove him from office.

We’re in for a hard time to remove him, as Trump, his cronies and a compliant press are willing to normalize all of the fascist behavior that supports him. Our democracy is crumbling right now, thanks to white nationalists both in and out of uniform. Simply voting Trump out of the White House is the very least we can do. We need to rebuild our democratic institutions from the ground up. We need to face down all of fascism burning up America. I just don’t have faith in the white majority of this country to support all of this, because in their minds, “Democracy for all” works against their own interests.

These people people need to be actively depowered and their sense of entitlement rendered inert. They’re not going to take it lying down, just looking at the apoplectic responses of all those Trump voting Karens and Kevins out there, triggered by their mere proximity to non-white Americans and simple requests to wear masks. Look at all the police departments that respond to peaceful protests against police brutality with even more police brutality and the white majority who support them, some of them even becoming vigilantes and toting guns in that support.

So, I have to say that asking me to believe that white America will come to its senses is a tall order, especially when these people cannot see the same objective reality as any person with any Gawd damned common sense can. These are people who believe that Trump’s gibberish is great oratory, that cops murdering innocent Black people is law and order and that America is made and maintained in their own white image.

They have both a man in the White House who comforts them with that belief and talking heads on their TVs to reinforce it.

In spite of the polls, I possess my own singular existential imperative to not give all of that the benefit of the doubt.

Convince me otherwise.

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For anyone asking me to have faith in the majority of white voters this November... (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2020 OP
Yeah. BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #1
funny how white voters voted in 2018 gave democrats victories all over beachbumbob Sep 2020 #2
Trump's white, right wing support base... MrScorpio Sep 2020 #4
2018. So much to be grateful for. empedocles Sep 2020 #3
What is the point of this OP? White moderates and people of color gave us the house. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #5
I don't think the majority of white people currently support Trump. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #6
I can't convince you otherwise, because I believe the same thing -- with a few additions. Nay Sep 2020 #7
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
2. funny how white voters voted in 2018 gave democrats victories all over
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 09:48 AM
Sep 2020

so making blanket and even racist sounding comments on "white people" aint a winning message. BTW, I am white, male and as proud of my heritage and actions as an american as one can be. I hate all things trump and all things GOP and have so for 45 years like MANY of us white folks

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
4. Trump's white, right wing support base...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:17 AM
Sep 2020

Who have euphemistically called themselves “The Silent Majority” all seem to believe that the white majority will come out on his behalf. Of course, the margin for victory will depend on how significant an outlier of white voters will choose to vote against Trump, but we shouldn’t delude ourselves into thinking that most whites will, even if some do.

White people who vote against the White Power Republicans have chosen to value egalitarianism over a system of white empowerment. Make no mistake that these white people are outliers. Many of them do so conditionally and will vote for Republicans in other times. Despite these marginal shifts, the white majority remains a constant Republican base.

The only thing working consistently against that white majority are both the shifting demographics of a growing non-white population and movement out into white majority districts.

The majority isn’t changing its preferences, its power is being demographically diminished. End the end, they may come our way, but I’m sure that they’ll be kicking and screaming all the way.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
5. What is the point of this OP? White moderates and people of color gave us the house.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:19 AM
Sep 2020

And that is a fact. Both were needed and that is what you have now. I am a 'white' voter. I sure as hell didn't vote for Trump in 16 and I would crawl across broken glass to vote for Biden this time. And I would remind you POC voted less in 16 as well. And white progressives supported the Russian princess Stein. And we barely lost the EC.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
6. I don't think the majority of white people currently support Trump.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:07 AM
Sep 2020

I could be wrong, but this older white woman has never been for him.

Keep in mind that a lot of his base are older people, and some significant percent of them have died since 2016.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
7. I can't convince you otherwise, because I believe the same thing -- with a few additions.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:24 AM
Sep 2020

The inability of the Democratic leadership to see and respond to the huge rise in hate radio, hate TV, hate internet, etc., has contributed to the lack of intelligent discourse in this country. We have refused to recognize that huge numbers of Americans are too unintelligent or too emotionally affected to be able to use reason to determine whether things are true or false, wrong or right, etc. The rise of weird religions, vast internet cults, and resurgence of white racism is directly due to the ability to easily spread nonsense over large, instant and (relatively) free communications channels.

What has been revealed is that great numbers of human beings can be easily manipulated by emotion-laden appeals to their basest instincts, just so they can say they have a 'tribe.' In the distant past, this evolutionary trait helped small tribes cooperate and helped them survive. Now that the psychologists, ad men, preachers, and politicians understand how this works, it is being used in huge amounts to manipulate us. Generally, it works very well for good or ill purposes, and whatever intelligence people bring to their daily lives is totally overrun by that emotional response to the need to belong. My belief is that there are also quite a lot of stupid and mentally damaged people, too, who now have an outlet (the internet) to spray their ignorance and illness everywhere.

So, we need to stop talking about using rationality and reason to bring these people around. It won't work. Those two qualities are very new to the human race and have nowhere near the power that unbridled emotion does.

And no, I have no idea what to do now that this evil has been let out of its bag.

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