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RandySF

(58,823 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 04:58 PM Sep 2020

Sobering comment from Obama's pollster.

Obama pollster Cornell Belcher went on Pod Save America and said that, right now, all of our specific policy issues are secondary because the election is 'literally a matter of life and death for our democracy' and nothing is going to matter if Trump wins a second term.

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Sobering comment from Obama's pollster. (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2020 OP
He Has Been Doom & Gloom For Months Now Me. Sep 2020 #1
I'm almost there, too PJMcK Sep 2020 #4
Pure BS! He is correct! nt USALiberal Sep 2020 #5
It ain't over til the fat lady sings. dhol82 Sep 2020 #11
Or in this case, the fat man oldsoftie Sep 2020 #15
True. dhol82 Sep 2020 #21
So You Think It Is Going To Win A Second Term? Me. Sep 2020 #25
Sep means nothing. If these numbers hold up to the end of Oct, i'll be much more confident. oldsoftie Sep 2020 #33
Take The Reverse View Me. Sep 2020 #34
Oh, of course. If any of those scenarios happen its ALL on Trump. oldsoftie Sep 2020 #37
Well You Know He Had ALL Those Mini Strokes Me. Sep 2020 #38
That's Because RobinA Sep 2020 #39
Nothing Lasts Forever Me. Sep 2020 #42
That's Because RobinA Sep 2020 #40
Aint that the damn truth oldsoftie Sep 2020 #41
He's right. Doom and Gloom are both at hand. dchill Sep 2020 #30
I Don't Agree Me. Sep 2020 #31
Thanks for this. It's very encouraging and needed just now. NoRoadUntravelled Sep 2020 #32
I don't see it as DOOM and GLOOM. I see it as, get Biden elected, then we'll iron out the details. BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #2
That is right. He's delineating the importance of this election..... brush Sep 2020 #7
This. nt PunkinPi Sep 2020 #36
Most of us on this site know this. It's fascism-r-us if trump wins. brush Sep 2020 #3
Yep. Do everything to get Joe and Kamala elected. warmfeet Sep 2020 #23
Of course he's dead on! Cha Sep 2020 #6
the deck is seriously stacked... stillcool Sep 2020 #8
And call, and text, and donate and talk to friends family and RandySF Sep 2020 #9
I'm going to have to go with Belcher on this one. PatrickforO Sep 2020 #10
+1 dhol82 Sep 2020 #12
Yup... UserNotFound Sep 2020 #26
Yup, if Trump wins, game over. Initech Sep 2020 #13
Oh, so if trump managed a win we should all just give up. Yeah, NOPE. oldsoftie Sep 2020 #14
We'll fight on from the re-education camps! BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #17
We are the resistance liberal N proud Sep 2020 #20
Yes, we need to get rid of Trump and as many Republicans as possible. Lonestarblue Sep 2020 #16
Yes, it is that important liberal N proud Sep 2020 #18
Scary thing is the ignorant Trumpers feel the same way. Very scary. Pepsidog Sep 2020 #19
I don't think UserNotFound Sep 2020 #29
The tightening of the race will motivate us to work like crazy... cheezmaka Sep 2020 #22
And yet most live there lives that it's no big thing. Kaleva Sep 2020 #24
The monster must be defeated by any and all means dalton99a Sep 2020 #27
Exactly! TomSlick Sep 2020 #28
That's true, but some people need a reason to vote for Biden. Renew Deal Sep 2020 #35

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
4. I'm almost there, too
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 05:07 PM
Sep 2020

Each day feels like one step forward, two steps back and another to the right for good measure.

If Trump wins/steals the election, all of what we know will be over in a short period of time.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. So You Think It Is Going To Win A Second Term?
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:33 PM
Sep 2020

if not, then everything matters. Charlie Cook says that what no pollster will tell you is that Trump cannot possibly win the electoral college.

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
33. Sep means nothing. If these numbers hold up to the end of Oct, i'll be much more confident.
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 06:57 AM
Sep 2020

Too many things can happen to sway voters between now & then. Riots help him. Like it or not.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
34. Take The Reverse View
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 07:30 AM
Sep 2020

The discussion always seems to be that he has the upper hand, that any bad news that comes will be for Joe. What if the economy tanks, worse than it? That predictions of more deaths come true? What if he has a medical incident that cannot be denied? THat the October surprise is for him?

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
37. Oh, of course. If any of those scenarios happen its ALL on Trump.
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 11:11 AM
Sep 2020

ESPECIALLY health. He reminds me of those people who refuse to listen to their doctors.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
39. That's Because
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 01:36 PM
Sep 2020

nothing sticks to this man. He makes Teflon look like glue. Reagan was Teflon. Trump is some substance that hasn't been invented yet. Something comes at him and he makes it do a U-turn and hit whatever it came from like a damn boomerang.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
42. Nothing Lasts Forever
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 03:11 PM
Sep 2020

and when Reagan should've been settling into sweet retirement....you never know where faye has you on the bulletin board.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
40. That's Because
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 01:37 PM
Sep 2020

nothing sticks to this man. He makes Teflon look like glue. Reagan was Teflon. Trump is some substance that hasn't been invented yet. Something comes at him and he makes it do a U-turn and hit whatever it came from like a damn boomerang.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
31. I Don't Agree
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:09 PM
Sep 2020

‘As Joe Biden was preparing to give his presidential nomination acceptance speech Thursday night, for me like so many others it was a time to reflect on where the race stands. I was thinking about the the Hans Christian Anderson fable “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” which many have cited in writings and cartoons criticizing President Trump. Each has put a slightly different contemporary spin on the 1837 story, in which a pair of swindlers convince a vain king that they could weave fabulous clothes for him with a magic fabric that could not be seen by anyone who was stupid or incompetent. The king commissioned the faux-tailors to make him a suit of clothes, checking on their work, watching the pair at their looms as they pretended to weave, not letting on that he could not see the fabric, lest people think him a fool. Once presented with the “clothes,” he strutted through the streets wearing nothing, no one letting on that they, too, could not see the clothes. Finally, a young boy cries out, “But he has nothing on!”

I think about the story in the context of this election, but not in a way that compares Trump to the king. Rather, I think about it in terms of the political analysts, pollsters, and pundits who refuse to state publicly what the data plainly show: that it is very, very unlikely Trump will win 270 electoral votes and the election.”

https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/many-are-afraid-say-it-not-close-race


The Resource Trap
https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/resource-trap

Approve or Not, Trump Is Setting Unfavorable Downballot Conditions
https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/approve-or-not-trump-setting-unfavorable-downballot-conditions



NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
32. Thanks for this. It's very encouraging and needed just now.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:22 PM
Sep 2020

Good things to reflect on during the next couple of months.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
2. I don't see it as DOOM and GLOOM. I see it as, get Biden elected, then we'll iron out the details.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 05:06 PM
Sep 2020

If Biden loses, nobody's agenda is worth 2 cents anyway.

brush

(53,778 posts)
7. That is right. He's delineating the importance of this election.....
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 05:11 PM
Sep 2020

and the need to get trump out, which is much different than Michael Moore predicting, as he usually does every four years, that repugs will win the WH.

brush

(53,778 posts)
3. Most of us on this site know this. It's fascism-r-us if trump wins.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 05:06 PM
Sep 2020

Work to get out the vote, donate, phone bank, do data entry, do voter registration if it's save to do considering the virus, same holds for canvassing.

We must get the fascist dictator wannabe out.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
10. I'm going to have to go with Belcher on this one.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 06:37 PM
Sep 2020

Getting Trump out is Job #1. All else pales beside that. We have to get rid of Trump.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
16. Yes, we need to get rid of Trump and as many Republicans as possible.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:00 PM
Sep 2020

Then it will be time to clean up the mess and get the country back on track. There’ll be lots to do in the Biden-Harris first term.

UserNotFound

(108 posts)
29. I don't think
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:57 PM
Sep 2020

That most people understand how important your observation really is.

It'll take years for our country to recover as it is; another 4 years of tRump? Things are gonna get ugly...

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
22. The tightening of the race will motivate us to work like crazy...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:29 PM
Sep 2020

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And keep "complacent" Democrats from "staying home" or not voting in November due to thinking Biden has it IN THE BAG...

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
24. And yet most live there lives that it's no big thing.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:30 PM
Sep 2020

It'd be interesting to observe Cornell Belcher for a week or two and see if he is taking any actions that would lead one to believe that he thinks there is a possible major catastrophe on the the horizon heading towards us or is he behaving in a way one would expect if it was 1976 and we were working to defeat Gerald Ford.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
28. Exactly!
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 07:44 PM
Sep 2020

The future of democracy in this country is at stake.

We must vote like future of the country depends on it - because it does.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
35. That's true, but some people need a reason to vote for Biden.
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 08:29 AM
Sep 2020

The argument can’t be that it’s the end of the world if Trump wins. Some people want something to hang on to.

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