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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:40 PM Sep 2020

Scientific American: COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven't Had Any Symptoms

A German study found that 6 in 10 recovered COVID-19 patients were found to have persistent myocardial inflammation. Lead investigator Elike Nagel: “My personal take is that COVID will increase the incidence of heart failure over the next decades.”





COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus[
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Here’s the background: Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.

Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third—an athletic man in his 40s—is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.

This is an incredibly tricky diagnosis. Patients with myocarditis often experience symptoms like shortness of breath, chest pain, fever and fatigue—while some have no symptoms at all. J.N., a health care provider who asked that his full name not be used, told me that COVID-19 symptoms first appeared in his case in late March. He ultimately was hospitalized at Mount Sinai Medical Center after developing unrelenting fevers spiking to 104 degrees, chest tightness, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

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2naSalit

(86,565 posts)
1. This the first actual study I've heard of...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 09:05 PM
Sep 2020

But I heard a doctor on a news show a couple months ago who made a similar claim about damage to the lungs even when no overt symptoms appear.

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
2. It kind of makes sense seeing that Covid can cause those Cytokine storms and serious
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 09:29 PM
Sep 2020

inflammation. When your body inflamed it inflames all over - at least that is what I thought. I can tell when mine gets inflamed because my joints hurt , all over.

I take about a tablespoon of Tumeric a day, usually with lemon, stevia and Tequila!

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
13. Just a word of caution about turmeric:
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:31 PM
Sep 2020

If taken in large doses (and a tbsp is a large dose) it can irritate the gall bladder. If you already have been diagnosed with a gallstone (or stones), don't take turmeric, unless it's a sprinkling to add flavour in soups or stews.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
3. Yes, these articles keep popping up...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 09:36 PM
Sep 2020

They keep me paranoid and being careful about how and how often I am in the company of others or in situations with the potential for infection. But I have also seen (and others here I'm sure have also seen) that symptom severity (and presumably, underlying damage) is lower when infected with just a small dose of the virus. So maybe if I continue to work hard to limit the dose that presents to me, the symptoms and damage will be limited if/when I get sick.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
4. I keep on thinking that Covid-19 is the thing that
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:13 PM
Sep 2020

will put an end to our species.

Sigh. An asteroid would be quicker.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
7. But Americans can't live without college Football
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:42 PM
Sep 2020

"student athlete" health be damned. We need them fucking dollars changing hands.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
16. I heard a segment of some sports show on my car radio...
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 12:02 AM
Sep 2020

... this morning called OutKick, the first time that I ever heard of it.

The host named Clay Travis was making all kinds of dangerous and misinformed statements about the virus and the pandemic, basically encouraging people to pretend it didn't exist. It's not even worth repeating, it was so ridiculous!

Here's an article about that radio show and the host that I later found:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-clay-travis-outkick-the-right-wing-sports-site-pushing-covid-trutherism

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
17. If there is an audience for ignorance and stupidity, there will always be those
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 09:48 AM
Sep 2020

who are willing to profit from spewing it.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
8. x-ray don't lie: lungs alteration is consistently noted in asymptomatics
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:45 PM
Sep 2020

they may develop lungs issues later in life. This virus is like cancer, leaving decades of organ damages, often irreversible. There is way too much focus on deaths in the media and no airtime for survivors.

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
9. There really needs to be more publicizing of the potential long term effects of Covid.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:47 PM
Sep 2020

So many think of it as a one and done with a slight chance of death, mostly for vulnerable people. It seems to make some folks almost blase about contracting it.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
10. Last night CNN's Cuomo discussed this since he had Covid.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 10:54 PM
Sep 2020

He had a doctor and another Covid victim who has had 5 months of odd health issues involving her lungs, heart, and mental health. Chris Cuomo is still having issues too and is trying to make this topic more known so people will be more aware of the unknown and possible long term health issues from Covid, even if you were never diagnosed or had symptoms.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
11. This. is. why. you. don't. mess. around. with. this. virus.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:05 PM
Sep 2020

We simply do not know what it's fully capable of and won't know for years to come. By letting it spread like we have, we're playing with fire.

thenelm1

(852 posts)
15. Dr. Atlas to the rescue!!!
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:55 PM
Sep 2020

Who the hell goes by the name Atlas??

Wasn't "Atlas" like a weightlifter thing many years ago? And what does a "neuro-radiologist" know about epidemic type diseases?

A radiologist, from my experience, was someone who read x-rays or other imaging of internal systems, while a neuro radiologist specializes in the imaging of the nervous system. They wouldn't necessarily have any actual part in the treatment of the patient beyond neurological issues. Depending on the issues presented by Covid, a cardiologist, pulmonologist, internal medicine guy & other physician types would be the actual treating physicians. (So of course he'd be someone Trump would make a "adviser" for a viral epidemic.)

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
18. He is good at reading X-rays and MRIs
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 10:12 AM
Sep 2020


(Michelle Au, MD, MPH is an anesthesiologist and is a Democratic candidate for State Senate in Georgia Senate District 48. https://ballotpedia.org/Michelle_Au)

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