At least 10 dead voters cast absentee ballots in Miami-Dade August primary

[mia]

Of the 3,743 voters whose absentee or mail-in ballots were rejected for some kind of deficiency, one number stands out: 10 were invalid because the voters were deceased...

This is not good. This does not give us confidence in the electoral process here. This does not bode well for November.




Ladra has soooo many questions. We asked the elections officials in an email but it was super late and, very unexpectedly, Deputy Elections Supervisor Suzy Trutie told Ladra the deceased voters’ ballots were rejected because their date of death was prior to the postmark on their ballots. All the dead voters passed away in July. Some of them voted almost a month later, according to figures provided by the elections department who got the dead figures from the Florida Department of Health Bureau of Vital Statistics....


The report from the Miami-Dade Elections Department also shows that 274 ballots were rejected because the signatures do not match the one on file. Not sure this applies to everyone, but Ladra signed her voter’s registration card, like, 30-some years ago. Certainly there are going to be some signatures that change. Especially as more voters are encouraged to turn to ABs in the midst of the pandemic....

http://www.politicalcortadito.com/2020/09/02/10-dead-voters-absentee-ballots-miami-dade-august/

[SharonClark]

1. I would be more concerned about "signature does not match"

than ballots rejected for deceased voter. Death is easy to figure so the system worked when it caught those ballots but who or what determines “signature does not match”? It sounds too close to the “hanging chads” fiasco.

Additionally, the Iowa GOPpers recently sent absentee ballot requests, supposedly targeting their supporters, to many people who have been deceased for over 4 years and some were registered Dems.

[mia]

8. I worried about that when signing my mail-in ballot, as I registered to vote so long ago.

I signed it carefully and neatly, the way is appears on my driver license. I figured that would do, and it did. I was glad to see that my vote was counted

[tavernier]

18. Totally agree.

My handwriting often varies depending on my moods or time constraints. I think I am a better candidate for in-person voting for that reason.

[WePurrsevere]

2. Huh? IMO this proves that the checks process done on absentee/by mail ballots works correctly...

They were rejected as they should have been. I would think that 'rejected' means that the votes cast are not counted towards a total. If anything this should give people more confidence that elections via email are legit.

Some of these might be innocent mistakes or a sig changing over time (or with health issues), as was mentioned, but I hope they do a thorough investigation and go after all those attempting to commit voter fraud.

There's also a lesson/reminder in this list... Double check that everything is filled out correctly and that you've signed your ballot before nailing or dropping off. Also contact the local board, and reapply if necessary, if your signature changes much.

[mia]

3. Yes. I agree.

It's good to see that the system works.

[uponit7771]

11. +1,

[maxrandb]

13. This story, and the subject line of the OP are designed

So that people see DEAD PEOPLE VOTED and miss the fact that "yeah, they were NOT counted".

It's simply designed to advance the false claim that there is widespread voter fraud.

Here's what the headline should be.

"10 Vote were legally rejected because the voters had died prior to election day"

or, even better

"Verification System Worked as Designed to Ensure Invalid Ballots were Properly Rejected"

[WePurrsevere]

14. Yup! I recognize the BS 'game' and agree with you. nt

[mia]

17. Excellent point.

Thank you.

[LisaL]

4. If Herman Cain can tweet while dead, I fail to see

why dead people can't vote.

[maxrandb]

5. Why does this not give you confidence? Why does this not bode well?

What's the story here?

Ballots that were determined to not be valid because the voter died after voting were rejected.

Isn't that how this is supposed to work?

The ballots were rejected, like they should have been.

I'm more concerned about rejections for signatures.

In my state, I can track my ballot and see whether it was accepted and counted.

Does Florida do that?

Do they attempt to contact voters whose ballot is in question?

I don't see this as some sort of foreboding of coming electoral fraud.

If they had counted those 10 votes and then said; "oops sorry, we shouldn't have counted those", then I would have an issue with it.

It's pretty simple really. We just have to do two things.

1. Vote!!!

2. Verify that your vote was counted!!

[mia]

15. It doesn't give the writer "Ladra" confidence, for this and reasons related to Miami politics.

The whole article is very good and illustrates her worries. She's an excellent writer with a long memory.

[FBaggins]

6. Not an issue as reported

This would be a concern if there was a reason to believe those ballots were cast after the voter died (rather than just that the voter died before the votes were counted). Absentee ballots are far more common among the elderly... and that group is more likely to pass away in a given month.

[maxrandb]

7. Even the Post Mark doesn't indicate fraud

My 90 year old mom has a stack of outgoing mail always sitting around. If she were to die, it would be perfectly normal for me to simply take that stack and throw it in the mail.

Delays in the Postal Service can easily delay post marking by week's.

There's nothing nefarious about ballots that should be legally rejected, being rejected.

[onenote]

9. Doesn't the article say the votes were postmarked after date of death?

While its possible some of them were mailed by the person, who then died before the postmark was applied, it also sounds like some of them were mailed by someone weeks after the voter died.

That being said, if the signature on the ballot matches the voter registration, indicating that it was signed by the voter while alive, there's a valid argument it should count even if someone else mailed it or the postmark was otherwise applied after the person died. If someone goes to the polls and votes and is hit by a truck after the leaving the polling place, their vote counts even if they died before the vote was "counted."

[onenote]

9. Doesn't the article say the votes were postmarked after date of death?

While its possible some of them were mailed by the person, who then died before the postmark was applied, it also sounds like some of them were mailed by someone weeks after the voter died.

That being said, if the signature on the ballot matches the voter registration, indicating that it was signed by the voter while alive, there's a valid argument it should count even if someone else mailed it or the postmark was otherwise applied after the person died. If someone goes to the polls and votes and is hit by a truck after the leaving the polling place, their vote counts even if they died before the vote was "counted."

[GemDigger]

21. Exactly.

[Phoenix61]

12. The number that stands out for me is the one

for no signature. We really need to push how important it is to sign your ballot.

[SharonClark]

16. Agree.

[Kaleva]

19. Voter fraud takes place when fraudulent votes are actually counted.

Appears to me that the system worked and ineligible ballots were found and not counted.

[GemDigger]

20. If they were alive when they voted

then those votes should count. If they had been dead for more than 6 months that would be another story.