From BBC: Navalny 'poisoned with Novichok' -Germany

[still_one]

Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2020, 10:34 AM - Edit history (1)

"Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny was poisoned with Novichok nerve agent, German government says."

This is a breaking news story from the BBC and more details will follow

Alexei Navalny: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok - Germany

[jpak]

1. Putin

Yup

[still_one]

4. I have no doubt that trump will come right out condemning Putin on this

[tinrobot]

2. In case you were wondering... it is the deadliest nerve agent made.

Novichok (Russian: Новичо́к, "newcomer"/ "newbie"[1]/ "novice, beginner/ new boy"[2]) is a series of binary chemical weapons developed by the Soviet Union and Russia between 1971 and 1993.[a][4][5] Russian scientists who developed the nerve agents claim they are the deadliest ever made, with some variants possibly five to eight times more potent than VX,[6][7] and others up to ten times more potent than soman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent

It is not the first time the Russians have used this. It was most recently deployed in 2018 to poison Sergei and Yulia Skripal in England.

I'm surprised Nalvany survived.

[still_one]

3. Thanks for the details on the agent

[Klaralven]

8. Yes, it's odd that they would have two successive failures

You would think that Russian State Security operatives would be more competent than this.

[hunter]

18. The point isn't to kill, it's to send a message.

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[Klaralven]

20. What We Know about Novichok, the "Newby" Nerve Agent Linked to Russia

Scientists who worked on the Novichok project disclosed details from 1992 onwards. They stated that the project goals included developing weapons that:

- could not be detected by the then standard NATO chemical weapons detection sensors

- have potential to circumvent the Chemical Weapons Convention

- would be easier to produce using methods and materials prevalent in pesticides industries

- were designed from the outset to be “binary” chemical weapons (where two relatively non-toxic materials are mixed together just before dispersal to minimise the danger to the personnel delivering the weapons).

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-we-know-about-novichok-the-newby-nerve-agent-linked-to-russia/

It's unclear how widely the knowledge of their manufacture was disseminated in the chaos of the Yeltsin years.

[W_HAMILTON]

5. Here is a link:

Link to tweet

[still_one]

6. Thanks, I just added the link to the OP

[dalton99a]

7. Germany says Russia's Navalny poisoned with nerve agent

https://apnews.com/96d8002d210d311fed1d6d4ba2a0534e
Germany says Russia’s Navalny poisoned with nerve agent
By GEIR MOULSON

BERLIN (AP) — Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned with the same type of Soviet-era nerve agent that British authorities identified in a 2018 attack on a former Russian spy, the German government said Wednesday, citing new test results.

Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said in a statement that testing by a special German military laboratory at the Charite’s request had now shown “proof without doubt of a chemical nerve agent from the Novichok group.”

“It is a dismaying event that Alexei Navalny was the victim of an attack with a chemical nerve agent in Russia,” Seibert said. “The German government condemns this attack in the strongest terms.”

British authorities identified Novichok as the poison used in 2018 on former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in England. The nerve agent is a cholinesterase inhibitor, part of the class of substances that doctors at the Charite initially identified in Navalny.

[MFGsunny]

9. May he survive and live out his life - yes, may he PERSIST as he resists, n/t

[still_one]

10. As long as Putin is in charge, I don't think there is anyway he can go back

[MFGsunny]

21. For sure, that. But he will persist/resist Putinesque behaviors from wherever he may go. n/t

[still_one]

22. +++

[h2ebits]

11. I view this as a threat against Joe Biden

[Lonestarblue]

12. It's also a warning for Trump.

To my knowledge, no other president has Geared being poisoned as Trump does. That’s why he eats fast food when he’s out. Perhaps Putin has threatened him in one of their private phone chats.

[h2ebits]

14. I agree

[mwooldri]

15. If Trump eats fast food because of fears of poisoning...

... then Alexi Navalny's poisoning from a take-out tea served at an airport restaurant (probably quick service fast food) should make him think twice. However I don't know if Trump can think that far ahead. Maybe his diet never got much beyond the Happy Meal.

[CaptainTruth]

13. I think this is one reason why Trump won't stand up to Putin.

[pandr32]

17. No--he delusionally thinks he and Putin are buddies

[keithbvadu2]

16. Trump owes Russia tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions.

Trump owes Russia tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions.

When he is out of office, his job of useful tool is over.

Putin will come calling for payment.

Then Trump will have to worry about Polonium 210 and tea.

[moondust]

19. "Putin, have some tea,"

protesters chanted on Saturday.

The sanctions placed on Russia after the Skripal poisoning with Novichok obviously did not deter Pooty. Is the tyrant getting desperate over the protests out east? "Czar for life" status being threatened, Poots? No doubt he's emboldened by the fealty of his weak little puppet in the White House.