Will Joe Biden make a deal with Trump after the election?

[Wanderlust988]

Trump sees everything as a transaction or quid pro quo. I predict Biden will beat Trump. Trump knows it's over, but will try to extract a deal out of Biden. He'll say that he'll concede and go away peacefully in the night if he promises not to prosecute him or his family. No lawsuits or contesting the results. Now I'm assuming all this will be very private. Nothing public.

You think Joe will bite? My thinking is that he should take the deal and quickly arrest him once he takes over.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. No.

[jorgevlorgan]

2. Hello no.

Wouldn't that be illegal as hell?

[elleng]

3. Doubt it, AND

MORE unlikely that he would 'take the deal and quickly arrest him once he takes over.'

[TheRealNorth]

4. Not sure if that scenario is likely, but Biden could go ahead and say yes

And then go ahead and start the investigation/prosecution once he's sworn in.

After the 2016 Supreme Court shenanigans, there is no reason to respect any agreements made with these criminals.

[Wanderlust988]

8. TheRealNorth, that's my thinking as well

If Trump were to promise Biden a trouble free and peaceful transition of power, then he might take the deal only to backtrack in 2021 cause they are nothing but snakes and to make a point.

[LakeArenal]

5. Seems to me Biden said he wouldn't pardon him.

Or object to charges are some such.

[Hoyt]

6. trump will never be jailed for what he did in office. There will always

be enough white wingers to hang a jury.

trump will leave office in January, but not quietly unless he’s beaten badly.

I want him gone and forgotten as quickly as possible, so that we can move on.

[greyl]

41. That leaves open what he's done outside of the office of President.

Intentional?

[Hoyt]

42. Correct. Although I don't doubt white wing jurors would still support their boy.

[Tribetime]

7. Trump can't be trusted on any deal

[enough]

9. Nobody will be arresting Donald Trump whether he wins or loses.

The United States is no different from any other country. Joe Biden is not going to change this fact. Rich white men with rich white male networks do not get arrested and do not spend time in prison.

[brush]

24. We'll see, won't we. The New York state AG is a black woman and she's waiting for trump.

[Takket]

10. biden is going to put harris in charge of a commission on corruption.....

and once the DOJ is no longer functioning as drumpf's personal lawfirm, the indictments are going to flow..............

[aeromanKC]

11. Meanwhile the NY AG will continue working on his Trump indictments and RICO charges.

Trump will not escape the NY AG without seeking exile in Russia.

[dutch777]

12. I wouldn't put it past Trump to attempt it...I do think there are major legal question based on...

illegal actions that may be "overlooked" in such a transaction or such a transaction itself may represent as noted by others on this string. Not to mention I think Joe's stock would fall close to zero right out of the chute if all the crap the Trump administration pulled is just swept under the rug as Obama allowed after Bush's departure. As a matter of fact, for some of us, if the Dems in total don't start to play the game seriously and make some much needed changes legislatively (assuming Biden winning and taking all of Congress) like the filibuster, the electoral college, teeth for Congressional subpoena power, what little loyal base is left may evaporate.

[Merlot]

27. This.

As a matter of fact, for some of us, if the Dems in total don't start to play the game seriously and make some much needed changes legislatively (assuming Biden winning and taking all of Congress) like the filibuster, the electoral college, teeth for Congressional subpoena power, what little loyal base is left may evaporate.

[GulfCoast66]

13. I was about to say this is a ridiculous idea...

But Trump is stupid enough to try it.

If he did Biden should tell him he will not order investigations. Because as someone who supports the rule of law, he would never do such a thing.

But of course he would not stand in the way of his AG if the renewed Justice Department discovered crimes to be investigated.

I will be against a Democratic President ordering or suppressing an JD investigation as strongly as I am against a republican doing so.

It become apparent having the Justice Department under the executive branch is a massive weakness of our democracy. I don’t have a solution which I guess would require a constitutional amendment. But I can see the problem.

[JI7]

14. If Biden wins why does he need to make a deal with Trump ?

[Lock him up.]

45. That's right. Trump will resign, get Pence POTUS to preemptively pardon any forthcoming...

Federal-Law indictments but New York State Law indictements will start raining down on his mop.

[Tarc]

15. Sure, Biden should promise him whatever he wants

and then nail the orange turd to the wall the day after Inauguration.

Trumpykins will howl, and it will be joyous.

[JI7]

16. Pence is the one that is going to Pardon Trump

[Sogo]

17. You're gonna need to provide a source for this....

Never heard that he's said ANY SUCH THING....

Hmmm.....Is this something you're trying to normalize?

[live love laugh]

19. 💯

[Progressive dog]

18. No

[AC_Mem]

20. I think it is more likely

that he will attempt to make a deal prior to November 3 - he will step aside and Pence will pardon. I don't think he even wants to be president again, he just doesn't want to go to jail. He has burned every bridge to the ground and probably has intel on his lapdogs that he blackmails them with to keep them with him (until he has no more use for them and throws them under the bus), he will do what he can to save his own skin and that can't happen with the new administration.

The ones that I will find interesting to follow are those satanic lapdogs who have enabled him and been just as corrupt as he is, either on their own or by his instruction. I hope they are getting VERY nervous looking at the polls and knowing that they are probably going to be going to jail. If Democrats are smart they will wait to prosecute until 45 is not in power and is unable to pardon them, and then prosecute to the fullest extent of the law - every damn stinking one of them. Then, those who have done their nasty deeds quietly (Turtleman) - investigate their finances, follow the money, connect it to unlawful acts because you know they are there, and send them where they belong.

Every single stinking one of them. None of this start with a clean slate and then they have an inauguration night meeting where they plot on how to obstruct President Biden as they did with President Obama. NEVER forget what they did and do NOT let them do it again!!!

We may see some very interesting rats jumping the Ship45 after Labor Day.

ac

[misanthrope]

25. He wouldn't do so before the election

He would wait to see the outcome of the electoral college and if he loses, he would do it then. He would tell his base that he had no other choice because he is the most persecuted person in the history of the nation and he knows his enemies would come after him otherwise. He has to have a scapegoat.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. He could let Pence take over temporarily for, say, a minor surgery and the have Pence pardon him.

There was a lot of speculation of Bush giving himself and Cheney a “pocket pardon” to be revealed later when needed.

If Trump were to pardon himself at the end of the term would we want the long drawn out battle to overturn the pardon and THEN prosecute?

Plenty of speculation and legal opinion here regarding trump floating the self pardon in 2018:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/here-is-what-9-experts-say-about-whether-president-trump-can-pardon-himself.html

[Timewas]

35. But

Pence cannot pardon him for state level crimes only federal crimes

[brush]

21. No. Let New York state take care of his crooked ass. The AG and Manhattan DA are waiting for him.

[BGBD]

22. Biden could agree to that

Trump isn't going to catch federal charges anyway, Trump is certainly going to give himself a pardon....for resign at the 11th hour and let Pence do it is needed.

No, Trumps legal problems are going to come out of New York and maybe some other states.

[misanthrope]

26. Something has to be done or it sets a ruinous precedent

The feds could find some way to bring charges if they really wanted without going back on any deal. "We had no choice after ___ came out."

[tinrobot]

23. Biden could pull a Trump - promise a deal, then "forget" the promise.

I mean if it keeps Trump from causing more damage during the transition, then it could work.

[Hekate]

28. No

[Xolodno]

29. Nope.

Pence will be the one to pardon Trump after he resigns. His ego is to big to see the transition of power. And he'll tie up New York's state resources with court proceedings. His kids and what remains of his cabinet will be the real losers in this.

[global1]

38. So Is That Trump's Ticket Out?.....

After he loses in November and before Biden's Inauguration in January - Trump resigns. Pence becomes president. Pence pardons Trump and the whole damn lot of those criminals. Is that how this is going to go down?

[Xolodno]

39. Yeap. Unless Trump pulls a miracle out of his ass and wins another term.

No President with a bad economy has won a second term in recent history, no matter whose fault it actually was (Carter, Bush 43, Bush 45 benefited due to an oncoming recession and Obama benefited with the 2008 crash...on average recessions happen roughly every 11 years). But given 2020, the rule book has been thrown out the window, so who knows.

Long dragged out hearings, court proceedings, etc. is not in the GOP's best interest. It keeps the spotlight on them and could bring down other career politicians. And Pence is already damaged goods by being guilty of association. He's going to run in 2024, an election no GOP candidate can win. And then he'll crash and burn like Mondale. So their best bet, sweep it all under the rug and let time do its job on our "look! squirrel!!" electorate.

But that's also gives the GOP eight years to reform, moderate their stances...tell the evangelists, racists, etc. to get with the program or get fucked. Their power is over. The center is going to become the new right. It has to. Trump is a statistical anomaly that gave the GOP hope they didn't have to moderate. If he wins again, were fucked....the country really is that stupid and our status in the world will sink along with the economy. But the current GOP won't give a shit, because they got their villa's in some other "socialist nightmare" country.

From the look of things, even he knows he's out, its why he's covertly doing his best to send campaign money into his businesses. Pence is a religious nut who thinks God is on his side and will help him in 2024...and Trump is just a "vessel" to get there. So, yeah, he's going to pardon most of the damn lot. Bannon picked he perfect "mark".

And lets be honest, if we get all three houses, Democrats would rather go into hyper drive on policy issues that help everyone, rather than deal with headlines on Trump. Public Option, Student Loan forgiveness, voting rights, etc. vs. six month hearing on Trump....I think you can do the math there.

[doc03]

30. I sure hope not Trump needs to be prosecuted for everything he has done

he has to go down as the most corrupt president in history.

[Retrograde]

31. IMHO, he shouldn't go after Dear Leader

That's what Kamala Harris is for!

[marie999]

32. Biden can promise not to prosecute him.

That's because the president doesn't prosecute people.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. The only deal Biden should make is To allow Trump to have conjugal visits in prison

With whoever he can pay enough to visit conjugally with him...

[Gothmog]

36. I can see Leticia James and Cyrus Vance making a deal

Trump will either pardon himself or have Pence pardon him before he leaves. The only real pressure will be state charges and I can see Vance and James cutting a deal to get trump to agree to a peaceful transfer of power that may involve no jail time for trump personally

[drray23]

37. This is a false premise.

First off, the president of the United States, hopefully Joe Biden in January 2021 can not order investigations or stop them. So, he would not even be able to make such a promise. As a matter of fact , Joe clearly said he will not get in the way of justice and let it run its course. You know, like it used to be before Trump..

[greyl]

40. Your post is truthful. nt

[Sympthsical]

43. Biden will let the DoJ do its thing

And frankly, we cannot afford to do a post-Iraq thing where we largely let the crimes slip quietly away. Trump has done major damage to our democratic institutions, our foundations.

I think we'll know exactly Biden's thinking the second he nominates his Attorney General. There will be little mistaking what he'd like to see done.

[DFW]

44. I don't see this as realistic, but just in case....

If I were Biden and got approached with such an offer, I would accept immediately. When the Trumps are screaming betrayal from their prison cells nine months later, Biden can address it in a very Trump manner: „hey I kept my word. I didn‘t prosecute you. I can‘t help it if the attorney general put you in jail with an open-and-shut case. I don‘t tell the Justice Department what to do.“

[Hekate]

46. Now, that's one fantasy scenario I can buy in to, unlike so many others

It’d be satisfying on so many levels