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Looks like the stock market bump has ended (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Sep 2020 OP
lots on sale now! samnsara Sep 2020 #1
No idea what's going on Johnny2X2X Sep 2020 #2
Maybe because of this? Takket Sep 2020 #5
Oh, it wiill all be fine. 2naSalit Sep 2020 #3
Profit taking perhaps????? Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #4
That's My Guess ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #17
Thanks for you input Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #20
You Can Jump Out Of Any Window! ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #21
Great Advice! Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #28
Protect yourself if your retirement depends on the market. But.... Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #6
Mnuchin must go to prison. nt Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #7
EXACTLY and they will bail and make money and bluestarone Sep 2020 #15
Stock market bloodbath: Dow and Nasdaq plunge BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #8
Ridiculous. You shouldn't comment on things you don't understand Bucky Sep 2020 #19
Indeed! ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #22
"We Should Be Concerned" - Fed Spooked By Biggest Market Crash Since March BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #23
Time to Short this market? SPDN? SDOW? BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #24
its on bailing wire and bubble gum since the FED has artifically support the market beachbumbob Sep 2020 #9
Appears we are seeing the effects Wellstone ruled Sep 2020 #10
The problem with theory of the bigger fool. gibraltar72 Sep 2020 #11
Dow and Nasdaq had grown 10% just in a month up to yesterday. The market Doodley Sep 2020 #12
Thanks. Perspective. stopdiggin Sep 2020 #14
Its one day Locutusofborg Sep 2020 #13
never judge the stock market by a single day's performance Bucky Sep 2020 #16
+1 ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #18
Above average fear (VIX). Hmmm ... BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #25
Those Folks At CBOE Didn't Like The "Fear" Aspect ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #26
Cheers. BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #27
And now it's three days DavidDvorkin Sep 2020 #29

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
2. No idea what's going on
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 11:38 AM
Sep 2020

The markets have broken all the rules the last 6 months, been insane how overvalued they are. The DOW should be at 16,000, but it's not. A lot of money pumped in, a lot of investors not sure where to park their money.

No idea if this is it, or if it's months away yet, but when the "big" drop happens it will be unprecedented, something like 10,000 points in two weeks or less.

Takket

(21,528 posts)
5. Maybe because of this?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 11:45 AM
Sep 2020

I won’t lie. I don’t understand where that money went lol but I do know what a bubble looks like and this is it. Rethugs blew this bubble up to protect their God drumpf knowing how everyone assumes (wrongly) that the stock market is a measure of the economy’s health.


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ProfessorGAC

(64,850 posts)
17. That's My Guess
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:59 PM
Sep 2020

The econometric purist have been saying for 6 weeks that the equity markets are beyond the upper limit of the equilibrium range.
The fed pump created a market stability then got carried away and overshot.
The purist analysts are likely telling fund managers to do some measure of profit taking, rather that waiting on a coming correction.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
20. Thanks for you input
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 04:48 PM
Sep 2020

Based upon other comments one might be enticed to jump out of a basement window...........

ProfessorGAC

(64,850 posts)
21. You Can Jump Out Of Any Window!
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 05:12 PM
Sep 2020

There's no problem with jumping out a window.
At any height!
The sudden stop could, however, be an issue!

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
6. Protect yourself if your retirement depends on the market. But....
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:04 PM
Sep 2020

it's going to pop.

Trump will do everything possible to keep it up til November 4.

Trillions of taxpayer dollars will be lost. Those aren't coming back. Think about the effect trickle down.

bluestarone

(16,858 posts)
15. EXACTLY and they will bail and make money and
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:49 PM
Sep 2020

Joe will get the BLAME! Just what they did to Obama. He inherited a MESS when he was elected. Joe will have the same problem!

BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
8. Stock market bloodbath: Dow and Nasdaq plunge
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:09 PM
Sep 2020
"Although there is no single driver for the weakness, it seems as if investors all of a sudden realized how overbought stocks are and sold. Someone yelled fire in a crowded theater and everyone left at once," said Ryan Detrick, chief market strategist for LPL Financial, in emailed comments.

But there are also technical reasons for Thursday's decline: As US-China relations sour, investors are moving money out of tech, which could get hit the hardest from a potential increase in tariffs.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/investing/nasdaq-selloff-stock-market-today/index.html

Bucky

(53,936 posts)
19. Ridiculous. You shouldn't comment on things you don't understand
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 03:02 PM
Sep 2020

It's a 4% drop in one day, sure. But it's up more than 10% from where it was in March. It's overvalued, probably, because Trump & the Congress threw a shitload of money at the investing class at the start of the pandemic--socialism for the wealthy. That spare cash had no reasonable investments in the force-stopped economy, so they put it into liquidable assets pending the inevitable recovery. If anything, a teensy correction like we're seeing this week is sign that they're expecting a moderate recovery in the next couple of quarters.

ProfessorGAC

(64,850 posts)
22. Indeed!
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 05:18 PM
Sep 2020

A 3.5% correction to an overvalued market, even taking place in a single day, is not a bloodbath.
It was a modest profit taking by fund managers (advised by their econometricians) to max profit from buys at the low point before a period of correction toward economic equilibrium.
Not a bloodbath. Not carnage. A profit taking hedge in anticipation of zero or negative trendlines.
Good call!

BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
24. Time to Short this market? SPDN? SDOW?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:28 PM
Sep 2020

Maybe to early to catch a falling knife? I'll give it three trading days to see if momo holds up.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Appears we are seeing the effects
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:09 PM
Sep 2020

of two stocks going split.

And yes,the Stock Market is not the economy. 7 trillion of our taxpayer dollars are propping this bloated pig up. Appears,the Wall Street people were counting on a massive Stimulus that was to happen by the 15th and are just realizing there will not be any free money until maybe October 15th.

Doodley

(9,036 posts)
12. Dow and Nasdaq had grown 10% just in a month up to yesterday. The market
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:08 PM
Sep 2020

can easily have a correction and still be trending upwards.

stopdiggin

(11,241 posts)
14. Thanks. Perspective.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:31 PM
Sep 2020

IMO the market(s) are overvalued -- but there's still the thing about where do I put my money if I pull out of this? Bitcoin? Sorry, nope.

Locutusofborg

(524 posts)
13. Its one day
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:22 PM
Sep 2020

A bunch of profit taking. Never try to gauge the market based on one day, one week or even one month.

Bucky

(53,936 posts)
16. never judge the stock market by a single day's performance
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:51 PM
Sep 2020

The Dow and NASDAQ have both bounced back to about where they were before the Covid tumble started in Feb/March. I do think it's overvalued. I think a LOT of that bounce back reflects the impact of Trump's massive payout to billionaires and corporations early in the pandemic. But you have to look at a lot of factors, not just what the market does one day to the next.

ProfessorGAC

(64,850 posts)
18. +1
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 03:01 PM
Sep 2020

Above I mentioned that equity markets are above the econometric equilibrium.
The analysts know it.
Their doing some early profit taking as if they're anticipating a correction.

ProfessorGAC

(64,850 posts)
26. Those Folks At CBOE Didn't Like The "Fear" Aspect
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:50 PM
Sep 2020

I met a couple of the developers, Brenner & Gulai, (both PhDs in economics with focus in the leverage of societal events) when I was a member of the Economics Club of Chicago.
They always liked the original name "Sigma Index" and didn't care for Fear.
They considered it more of a way to tie extrinsic, non economic events into the behavior of traders & analysts.
It's really interesting work.
Given many econometricians have declared the major indices 8-10% overvalued when compared to the upper confidence interval of the equilibrium range, they might be betting on aggressive sell behavior as a correction kicks in.
The COVID plunge was a correction, but the pandemic fears (unknown) made it go way too far. The rapid rebound was caused, along with fed money buying corporate bonds, by bargain hunters who knew it overcorrected.
Those same people have likely now made a short term killing, and are equally aware that things are overpriced.
A classic case of buy low, sell high. To the extreme. We might be seeing 30% gains in 5 months!
If I could guarantee 30% every 5 months, I'd move every IRA dime! 88%+ per year?? Sign me up!
Of course, that's a tightrope walk, I'm not willing to take.
I'll take my 6% and be happy.

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