Strictly anecdotal, but ...

[NanceGreggs]

I participate on a site for knitters/crocheters, where politics isn’t a focus, but does get discussed – especially over the past four years.

I quickly recognized that many posters were Trumpsters, who vociferously defended everything the Dotard said and did.

Imagine my shock when a I read the posts from a large number of them after their “pResident” refused to attend the ceremony at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in commemoration of US soldiers and marines killed during WWI. These former Ever-Trumpers went absolutely ballistic, and vowed never to support him or vote for him again.

They were beyond furious. They said he’d disgraced those who have died in service and the military as a whole, and had disgraced the country by failing to represent us at such an important event.

Of all the disgusting things he’d already done by that point, it was THIS event that pushed many of them over the edge.

So if you think the “suckers and losers” story won’t get to a lot of the Trump-humpers, think again. That quote is going to leave a mark.

[underpants]

1. Excellent

As I posted elsewhere, Fox News has it on their website. Buried under a NPR is bad story and it’s mostly the WH side of it.

[spanone]

2. ⭐️K&R⭐️

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. You never know just what will prove to be the 'final straw.'

This is great news, even if it turns out to be a tiny minority of Trump-humpers!

[sheshe2]

4. If that is their line in the sand, I'll take it.

[Wounded Bear]

5. Hope springs eternal...

but I doubt his base will be swayed.

[NanceGreggs]

13. The people I'm talking about ...

... were members of his base.

That base has been eroding from day one. People have been turned around due to different issues: kids in cages, a promised middle-class tax-cut that turned out to be pennies, and now his response to Covid-19.

We always hoped there'd be some action or event that would cause a landslide of Trump desertions, but that didn't happen. However, the erosion has been steady and constant - a handful here, a group or two there - over time, it adds up.

[Maraya1969]

6. I only wish there was audio. Or did Fox report on it also? Here is a local Fox reporting it

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/national-news/report-trump-disparaged-us-war-dead-as-losers-suckers/

DELRAY BEACH, FLa. (AP) — A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

The allegations were first reported in The Atlantic. A senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.

The defense official said Trump made the comments as he begged off visiting the cemetery outside Paris during a meeting following his presidential daily briefing on the morning of Nov. 10, 2018.

Staffers from the National Security Council and the Secret Service told Trump that rainy weather made helicopter travel to the cemetery risky, but they could drive there. Trump responded by saying he didn’t want to visit the cemetery because it was “filled with losers,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to discuss it publicly.

[fierywoman]

7. I say death by a thousand cuts. At some point the loss of blood will be too great. Loved the

anecdote, many thanks for it.

[magicarpet]

8. 1 + 1 equals 2,... the more people who find trDump to be atrocious and a lost cause the better.

[safeinOhio]

9. He just can't help it.

Give him more rope. Every time you think it can’t get any worse, it does.

[Cha]

10. JHC trump is lightyears beyond Stupid. It sounds like he's channeling

Putin.. not giving a shit what the American Military thinks of his inhumanity and blatant disregard for the lives of our Soldiers killed in battle.

Mahalo for the report from your knitters/crocheters site, Nance!

[not_the_one]

18. He IS channeling Putin. He is owned lock, stock and barrel by Putin.

He can only win if he cheats his way in, and even he is beginning to see less and less of a chance of that happening.

So he will do as his is told and sow chaos, doing everything he can to destroy the foundation of this country. Because his sugar daddy Putin has given him his marching orders.

His response is, "Just how high must I goose step, dear fuehrer?"

[Cha]

22. Yeah, Putin has little trump by the balls if he had any.

Sorry..

[oasis]

11. I'm thinking some former Trumpers have been waiting to publicly

dump Trump , but have been waiting for the perfect incident on which to cut him loose.

[Cirque du So-What]

12. Good to hear that this story is getting noticed

but we need to remember that he said, ‘I like people who weren't captured’ about John McCain - in public, mind you - and still retained his core of supporters. I believe these dead-enders will dismiss it as ‘fake news.’

[NanceGreggs]

14. There are a lot less dead-enders now ...

... than there were four years ago.

[Mr.Bill]

21. A lot of republicans never liked McCain

Because he was too moderate.

[Cirque du So-What]

23. The remark was insulting to all POWs

yet here we are four years later with MAGAts roaming freely.

[Mr.Bill]

26. Yes, I'm sure it was.

But what percentage of the electorate are POWs?

[Cirque du So-What]

31. Not the point I was trying to make

Call me naive, but I think decent folk would be pissed about a politician implying that POWs are losers, whether or not John McCain was the subject.

[NanceGreggs]

40. I understand your point ...

... and it's a valid one. I always took that remark about McCain to be an insult to all POWs.

However, I think a lot of Trumpsters dismissed it as merely a personal affront to McCain because he was a political adversary, and chose not to see it as having any meaning beyond that.

I think the Atlantic story is going to disabuse a lot of people of that notion.

[radius777]

56. Exactly - it's damaging because it confirms

an ugly worldview, not just an isolated opinion of a personal rival.

It won't hurt him with his core base, but could with soft Trump supporters and especially right-leaning swing voters.

[gratuitous]

15. If Trump's twitter tantrum today is any indication

Trump is now trying to say that he's been nothing but the best friend of veterans, including John McCain, and Trump's magnanimous gesture in lowering the flags to half staff when McCain died. As if that wasn't the absolute least he could do for a public servant of such long standing. Trump's trying to scramble out from under this story. We'll see how successful he is.

[aggiesal]

42. He did nothing but complain about the flag flying half-staff for McCain ...

It was done because it's the law. And Pendejo45 couldn't stop it.
4 U.S. Code § 7 (m). Position and manner of display
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7

The flag shall be flown at half-staff:
- 30 days from the death of the President or a former President;

- 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President,
the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States,
or the Speaker of the House of Representatives;

- from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court,
a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession;

- and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress.

[WheelWalker]

16. Every voter, like every juror, has their "hook". The fact or set of facts

that swings their vote one way or the other. It will vary from juror to juror, from voter to voter. At the end of the day, you hope you've set enough "hooks" to swing the verdict in the desired direction.

[DENVERPOPS]

17. Thanks Nanc

Rachel knocked one out of the park tonight also............

Also, did you see the ONION video tonight? 3 and a half minutes well worth watching about CIA and Facebook?????????
This one is NOT SO FUNNY, actually frightening in reality.........

[lunatica]

19. The military is represented by every race, all genders,

and people from every religious persuasion. I don’t know if it is, but it may be the single largest active organization in the world. It is amazingly diverse in every way with thoroughly modern equipped personnel.

This isn’t going to go over very well.

[Grammy23]

20. tRump has lost enough support already so that losing more could hurt him.

He thought he had a solid core who would support him to the bitter end. He can not afford to lose any more of his core. So let us hope that this is the bridge too far for some of them and they will not vote for tRump. Let us hope that this story has legs and causes an exodus of his core.

[Pepsidog]

24. My plumber/friend was over today and he's a Trumper. It's mind numbing what he believes from China

and Dems conspiring on Covid to win the election, virus hoax, California passing a law allowing sex between kids and adults, mail in and absentee ballot fraud etc. Astounding ignorance. This episode with the military will not impact Trumpers in the slightest.

[NanceGreggs]

35. Your plumber is not ...

... every Trumper. They're not a monolithic group - they are individuals. Some of them are like your plumber - but some of them are not.

If all Trump-humpers thought and acted in unison, Trump wouldn't be losing in the polls as badly as he is. We're two months from the GE, and he's struggling to win back members of his own 'base' that have deserted him.

Your plumber sounds like the classic "lost cause" - but there are Trumpsters out there who aren't completely out of reach.

[Eyeball_Kid]

43. If this story sways 5-10% of GOPers,

it’s historic. And it means a Dem landslide. Trumpy-Boy seems committed to making major errors 2-3 times a week.

But the story is strong and it fits the moment.

[Skittles]

25. did they really ever think Cadet Bonespurs respected the military

mind-boggling

[panader0]

27. This happened in 2018. I'm surprised not much was made of it then.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-france-memorial/trump-cancels-ww1-memorial-at-us-cemetery-in-france-due-to-rain-idUSKCN1NF0NU

[NoRoadUntravelled]

28. Would be great if Biden can find a way to bring up tRump's comments during the debates.

Memory spans aren't all that long these days and a reminder of his callous words about our brave military members wouldn't be a bad thing.

[steve2470]

29. "Political Twitter" has absolutely detonated over this

I sense he really really stepped in it this time, and few will believe his vehement denials.

Link to tweet

[TruckFump]

33. Cathy got to me big time.

I cannot imagine how much that hurt to have that said about one’s father. Betting Trump ripped open sorrow scabs for many who lost loved ones in wars.

[steve2470]

34. I think he did rip open a lot of scars, and people will vote accordingly nt

[USALiberal]

30. Predicted often, but nothing ever sticks! Nt

[NanceGreggs]

37. If nothing sticks ...

... why is he scrambling for votes?

If nothing stuck, he'd be as popular today as he was four years ago.

Apparently, some things have stuck.

[plimsoll]

38. Yep. Fox will do a 3 hour special on the outrage of Joe Bidden having a Freedom Fry with Mayo.

Or some other non-sense equivalent of "Her emails."

Move along folks nothing to see here.

[NanceGreggs]

44. Given Trump's poll numbers ...

... it seems obvious that FOX-News isn't getting through to a lot of people these days.

[plimsoll]

46. We haven't seen a real drop below 40%.

I doubt we will. I hope you're correct, but that triggers my own confirmation bias alarms. I think he is desperate, and probably his supporters know this, but that just seems to stiffen their resolve to support him.

Anything to own the libs. "We had to destroy the country to save it."

[NanceGreggs]

47. I was talking about his poll numbers ...

... in view of the upcoming GE.

If everyone who voted for him in 2016 still supports him, he wouldn't be losing in states he won handily back then.

[Orrex]

32. Well, let's see if they've forgiven him in two months' time

I fear that many will somehow find the will to vote for that stupid daughterfucker regardless of the vile shit he does or says.

[NanceGreggs]

36. Of course ...

... there are still Trump-humpers that will forgive him anything - but there are fewer of them every time he says something like this.

[Grokenstein]

39. Gonna take a lot of empty promises and phony crises to scoop litter over THIS turd.

Years from now people are going to look at videos of Generalissimo Corpulente's disdainful smeeeerk during his flag-molesting moments and ask, "How the hell did anyone fall for such obvious bullshit?"

But yeah, "I don't like the leopard anymore because it finally got around to eating MY face" doesn't make anybody a better person, the climax of Return of the Jedi be damned. I'm happy they're turning on him, but they remain untrustworthy, ignorant, absolutely shitty people. The next furriner-hating violence-stoking rapist teevee celebrity to promise them a tax cut will have them all right back on their hands and knees, groveling at his feet.

[NanceGreggs]

41. I look forward to the day ...

... SNL's Weekend Update includes the reminder that "Generalissimo Corpulente is still politically dead."

[mnmoderatedem]

45. they finally get it now?

gee all it took was about 8 million clubbings over the head....

[electric_blue68]

48. Ravelry?

[NanceGreggs]

49. No.

I've never engaged in any political forums there.

[electric_blue68]

51. Got it : )

I don't think there are many anyway.

I have to get a new password, haven't been for a while!

Some polititical stuff in
"This is What a Femenist Knits Like"

Stay Safe and happy Yarncrafting!

[NanceGreggs]

52. Truth be told ...

... I didn't know Ravelry had political forums until a few months ago. And yet, I have never been curious enough to read them.

My only interest is checking out the New Patterns additions - have downloaded some greet patterns as a result!

And I don't think that a 'feminist' knits any differently than any other knitter - in fact, it is a completely ridiculous idea.

[electric_blue68]

53. I love seeing what people have made...

I don't have the patience for big stuff bedspreads, afghans, nor the skills or (and probably patience) for fancy lace shawls (though I drool over them ) .

I have a shawl I started but know sure where it is.

My biggest project was a Big cowl: 33" wide and about 23" high using 3 strands if chunky yarn together.

I have a bug enough staff for 2-3 yrs years worth of projects especially since drawing is my predominant Art making, and unique silver plated wire jewelry is my main Craft making outlet. Still I live to make modest things for my self in yarn. Occasional gifts, too

As far as Feminist knitting - nothing different. I think it was a way to gather in feminist women who also knit, or crochet. There's a spinner's group that I love to swoon over their yarn making. Such gorgeous colors!

What do you make?

[NanceGreggs]

54. What I "make" ...

... is OPs like the one above.

What I hope for is people who have something to add to the discussion to do so.

I'm sure your "biggest project with chunky yarn" is considered fascinating on some sites - THIS isn't one of them.

[electric_blue68]

55. I asked my Q & convo to u specifically as to not

involve the other posters who might not be interested, since you are the one in a Yarn Craft group.

This last response to me is rather snippy and condescending.

I was trying to share a little joy and creativity on the side while we -all- struggle with the either generally horribly underacknowledged issues now finally brought into more light while being exascerbated by drumph, or the new problems he has unleased on this country, and the world. Since we each are going through at various times stages, waves of sorrow, rage, and fear because of all of this.

So, sorry THIS little string of questions and comments aggravated you.

[NanceGreggs]

57. Surely you could see ...

... this discussion was about Trumpsters and their reaction to Trump's disrespect for the military. It was NOT about knitting.

[electric_blue68]

58. Which is WHY I asked you specifically

about your knitting, sharing something BRIEFLY as an aside that is of interest (a nice surprise) to both of us- while the bigger discussuon about the Trump supporting knitters was continuing. That you'd get quickly back to.

It's a tangential way of thinking that is, I'm guessing not your style.

[smirkymonkey]

50. K&R