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update 14 minutes ago at 538: "Biden is favored to win the election" (Original Post) gristy Sep 2020 OP
29 out of those 30% points DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #1
exactly.... Takket Sep 2020 #5
Some of it is their Electoral College advantage from having lots of small red states... regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #8
Undoubtedly DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #9
And only days before ballots are mailed to North Carolina! jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #2
seems the difference between "slightly favored" and "favored" jcgoldie Sep 2020 #3
You gotta draw the line somewhere. cos dem Sep 2020 #4
Well, when this monster incumbent Fat Slob is DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #6
The difference is ... jcgoldie Sep 2020 #7
Pretty sure he had her at 71.5% on Election Eve... regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #10
30%, 28.5%, they're all basically the same. cos dem Sep 2020 #11

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. 29 out of those 30% points
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:23 PM
Sep 2020

are an acknowledgement of how adept the R's are at cheating and accepting Putin's interference. I will not deny them that.

Takket

(21,550 posts)
5. exactly....
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:30 PM
Sep 2020

it would be incredibly naive to believe Biden will win the election just because the polls say he has enough electoral and popular votes to win. you need to account for the upcoming ratfucking which will be like nothing this country has ever seen.

Biden needs to win overwhelmingly to offset the cheating. at least +10%

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
8. Some of it is their Electoral College advantage from having lots of small red states...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:36 PM
Sep 2020

A couple of days ago, Silver estimated Biden's chances of winning the EC based on his popular vote margin -- if he won by 1% or less, his chances of beating Trump to 270 EV were only 6%. He would have to win the popular vote by 4% or higher just to have more than a 50-50 chance of being elected.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
9. Undoubtedly
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:39 PM
Sep 2020

This has to be a blow-out for the EV/EC and for the deNazification of the US. That's the only way we are going to come back to some semblance of normalcy.

I hope we are going for broke and get all 538 EVs!

cos dem

(903 posts)
4. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:29 PM
Sep 2020

What pisses me off is this is roughly the same probability he had in 2016, and we all know how that came out. He still should lose in 2/3 parallel universes, but crap, I hope we're not in the 1/9 universes where he wins twice!

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
6. Well, when this monster incumbent Fat Slob is
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:33 PM
Sep 2020

the cause of 200,000 Americans dead and growing, making the US a Russian colony, tanking the economy, causing and stoking civil unrest, etc etc, I do not think Americans are that dumb.

HE IS THE INCUMBENT. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
7. The difference is ...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:36 PM
Sep 2020

In 2016 nate had Hillary at 70% on election night. This is 2 months out and I expect if Joe can maintain this lead that likelihood will increase considerably.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
10. Pretty sure he had her at 71.5% on Election Eve...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:41 PM
Sep 2020

...but one can't draw too strong an equivalence because 538, and the polling organizations they depend on, reworked their methods and calculations after the 2016 debacle. For example, it was found the model assumed slightly more whites voting would have a college education than actually turned out to be the case and, given the huge disparity in preferences depending on whether you had been to college or not, that oversight proved to be critical. One may well assume that everyone's model has been revised over the past four years and, if anything, probably calculates in slightly more Trump support than it should.

cos dem

(903 posts)
11. 30%, 28.5%, they're all basically the same.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 12:03 AM
Sep 2020

Point is, this is way too high of a probability. He should be orders of magnitude lower, like 0.0001% chance of winning.

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