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still_one

(92,187 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:11 PM Sep 2020

I could see the republicans trying to push trump to resign before the election

or perhaps doing a 25th amendment.

The incentive for trump to resign would be that Pence would pardon trump in the lame duck period before the new president is sworn in

The problem with that plan is that Pence would have to be as corrupt as trump, which he probably is, and be willing to pardon trump

When Nixon resigned Ford did a full and unconditional pardon for Nixon for any crimes that he might have committed against the US as president. Problem with that is different states have different rules for someone to get on the ballot for the election, and in some states the ballots have already been mailed out

At least this time the press is not giving trump a free pass this time like they did in 2016, or for that matter have been doing for decades.

The problem for the republicans is that they have been rubber stamping everything trump has been doing since he took office, and I don't think they will be able to recover from that by the election

It is obvious that trump is now pushing the theme that their will be a vaccine by October. thinking that will save him. I do not think it will save him from the disparaging remarks he has made against our troops from this.

Even if a vaccine was released in October, it is doubtful there will be many takers since the credibility of this administration, and its influence on the CDC and FDA is extremely low.

So, I would not be surprised if the republicans tried to pull a "Gerald Ford Pardon" or exercise the 25th amendment. Pence would become the President for the remainder of trump's term, but I am not sure if he automatically becomes the republican nominee in place of trump on the ballots for the election

(Note: I edited this because I conveyed some incorrect information. If trump resigns or the 25th amendment is exercised, Pence becomes president to serve out the remainder of his term









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I could see the republicans trying to push trump to resign before the election (Original Post) still_one Sep 2020 OP
Not going to happen DarthDem Sep 2020 #1
That is why I said they would promise him a pardon like ford did with nixon if he did resign still_one Sep 2020 #2
Haven't we gone through a similar thing in 2016? LisaL Sep 2020 #3
If you are referring to Hillary, which I hope you are not, Hillary did not do anything illegal still_one Sep 2020 #9
No, I am referring to the tape that came out LisaL Sep 2020 #10
Thanks Lisa. That tape came out in October, one month before the election, but it quickly still_one Sep 2020 #13
He, & their support of him, are def liabilities! SheltieLover Sep 2020 #4
Would be wonderful to see him out of there but even a Pence pardon NoRoadUntravelled Sep 2020 #5
That is true. Time for him to take a trip abroad, perhaps to Russia still_one Sep 2020 #7
I'm sure there are plenty of cruise lines that would welcome him aboard. NoRoadUntravelled Sep 2020 #22
I have high hopes for NY. But they have had decades to do something about him, and haven't. not_the_one Sep 2020 #17
Well, we can always dream. NoRoadUntravelled Sep 2020 #20
My guess is that he resigns ONLY IF he loses. Desert grandma Sep 2020 #6
That is more likely. The timing of this couldn't have been better still_one Sep 2020 #8
Repukes facing their own re-election cannot risk Trumpers staying home (many will lose) RockRaven Sep 2020 #11
They should have a problem either way. They have been rubber stamping everything trump has done still_one Sep 2020 #15
Way too late, not a chance in hell! nt USALiberal Sep 2020 #12
Huh? TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #14
Thanks. I was thinking the RNC would choose the candidate, but that wouldn't apply because still_one Sep 2020 #18
There's part of your post that I'm not understanding, still_one. Totally Tunsie Sep 2020 #16
I was wrong, Pence would become the President if trump resigned or the 25th amendment was still_one Sep 2020 #19
Thanks, still_one. I see your correction in the OP. Totally Tunsie Sep 2020 #26
Thanks to you. You aren't having a senior moment, I am. still_one Sep 2020 #28
Nope. They've all hung they're hats on his orange ass, they can't turn back now... MerryBlooms Sep 2020 #21
I don't see it. apnu Sep 2020 #23
I never said they would win, but it might be the least harmful path for them if they turned still_one Sep 2020 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #24
Tax fraud for one. There is a reason he is not releasing his taxes. His interactions with a still_one Sep 2020 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #29
Impeachment is political, nothing to do with actual guilt or innocence. The southern district of still_one Sep 2020 #31
Putin won't let them. GeorgeGist Sep 2020 #30
The Russians won't let them TheRealNorth Sep 2020 #32

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
1. Not going to happen
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:15 PM
Sep 2020

I mean, people have been saying that Trump would resign over this or that for years now. He hasn't, and with the election this close, he absolutely won't. The GOP is weak and has no spine to push him out.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
2. That is why I said they would promise him a pardon like ford did with nixon if he did resign
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:17 PM
Sep 2020

I also speculated they could do a 25th amendment against trump, where it wouldn't be up to trump

I agree it is too late at this stage


still_one

(92,187 posts)
9. If you are referring to Hillary, which I hope you are not, Hillary did not do anything illegal
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:26 PM
Sep 2020

Comey did, by sending an email to the republicans in congress 11 days before the election


LisaL

(44,973 posts)
10. No, I am referring to the tape that came out
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:27 PM
Sep 2020

of Trump admitting he likes to grab women. Some republicans were asking him to drop out but he didn't.
He isn't going to resign.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
13. Thanks Lisa. That tape came out in October, one month before the election, but it quickly
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:32 PM
Sep 2020

was overshadowed by the so-called email scandal, which was nothing, but the illustrious press, and Comey made it appear as such


NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
5. Would be wonderful to see him out of there but even a Pence pardon
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:21 PM
Sep 2020

couldn't save him from prosecution in New York.

Can you imagine though? A televised trial in New York? Trump would be so hyped up by world wide ratings a conviction would be secondary. He'd have something to brag about in prison.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
22. I'm sure there are plenty of cruise lines that would welcome him aboard.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:41 PM
Sep 2020

They're not overly busy these days.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
17. I have high hopes for NY. But they have had decades to do something about him, and haven't.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:35 PM
Sep 2020

Instead he received a pass, year after year.

So I am not holding my breath.

They, however, if they had the will to do it, could put the whole klan in jail, and take every penny of their assets. Laundering russian mob money is strictly forbidden, and open to RICO prosecution.

But again, I am not holding my breath.

Prove me wrong, Letitia!!!

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
20. Well, we can always dream.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Sep 2020

We're living in an upside down world it seems so seeing them in jail isn't completely out of the question.
#FeelingOptimistic

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
6. My guess is that he resigns ONLY IF he loses.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:22 PM
Sep 2020

Then he will have Pence pardon him and all the rest of his criminal enablers before January 20th. The Republican party of Trump will then be totally destroyed. Maybe a new opposition party can rise our of its ashes. We shall see.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
11. Repukes facing their own re-election cannot risk Trumpers staying home (many will lose)
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:31 PM
Sep 2020

And many Trumpers will if the Dear Leader is replaced.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
15. They should have a problem either way. They have been rubber stamping everything trump has done
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:34 PM
Sep 2020

or said throughout his term


still_one

(92,187 posts)
18. Thanks. I was thinking the RNC would choose the candidate, but that wouldn't apply because
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:37 PM
Sep 2020

he is already president

I changed it in the OP accordingly


Thanks


Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
16. There's part of your post that I'm not understanding, still_one.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:34 PM
Sep 2020

Can you clarify what you mean, please?


The incentive for trump to resign would be that whoever they appoint would pardon trump in the lame duck period before the new president is sworn in

The problem with that plan is that they would have to find someone as corrupt as trump who would be willing to pardon trump, or force him out with the 25th amendment where Pence would then become president for the remaining term.


In the scenario you present, wouldn't Pence automatically become president if Chump were to resign before the election? How would the Repigs "appoint" his successor? It would be Pence.

Also, why would the Repigs "have to find someone as corrupt as trump who would be willing to pardon trump"? Again, the Repigs wouldn't have to "find someone"...Pence would automatically step in.

Am I missing your point?

still_one

(92,187 posts)
19. I was wrong, Pence would become the President if trump resigned or the 25th amendment was
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Sep 2020

exercised

For some reason I thought the RNC would appoint his successor, but he is an active president so that does not apply

Thanks




Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
26. Thanks, still_one. I see your correction in the OP.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:48 PM
Sep 2020

You had me going! I can't tell you how many times I read your OP, thinking I was having a senior moment.

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
21. Nope. They've all hung they're hats on his orange ass, they can't turn back now...
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:40 PM
Sep 2020

They have oodles of russian money in their campaigns and personal businesses... Plus their lobbying firms awash in russian money.

The only way they can be saved now is if he has more TIAs and is down for the count.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
23. I don't see it.
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:41 PM
Sep 2020

There is no realistic scenario where Trump resigns and the GOP wins the election.

Forget the fact that Trump is famous for scorched-earth actions who would make the election even more of a circus than it already is. Pretend Trump has an iota of honor and peacefully resigns, his QAnon/Teabagger base would go nuts and destroy the GOP in this cycle and several cycles after of civil war through the primary process.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
25. I never said they would win, but it might be the least harmful path for them if they turned
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:46 PM
Sep 2020

against trump they might think it could save some of them in congress

They would have trouble selling that regardless since they have rubber stamped everything he has done up to now


Response to still_one (Original post)

still_one

(92,187 posts)
27. Tax fraud for one. There is a reason he is not releasing his taxes. His interactions with a
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 08:55 PM
Sep 2020

foreign power to have them find dirt on a political opponent in return for loans. His interactions with a foreign power to interfere with the election, plus what was brought up in the Mueller report, Obstruction of Justice and abuse of power.

Because he wasn't convicted by the Senate, does not mean he is innocent, and impeachment is a political process, just to remove him for office, not whether he committed a crime or not

In the Mueller report there are plenty of things he could be charged with in addition to Obstruction of Justice and abuse of power




Response to still_one (Reply #27)

still_one

(92,187 posts)
31. Impeachment is political, nothing to do with actual guilt or innocence. The southern district of
Fri Sep 4, 2020, 09:22 PM
Sep 2020

NY is leading the charge on this. I am pretty sure there is more than enough concrete proof

Trump’s DOJ has been working to block this information, including the full Mueller report

No one goes to such lengths to hide such information unless he has done something wrong

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