You know what we don't hear so much of?

[Tom Rinaldo]

Disillusioned Democrats who voted for Hillary in 2016 but who now plan to vote for Trump. Not so many reports of that.

Nor is there a high profile ad campaign organized by former Democrats urging the defeat of Biden called The (George) Wallace Project.

You don't read daily reports of ex-Obama Administration officials who knew and worked with Joe Biden coming forward saying that Biden must be defeated for the good of the country.

Nor are new books released every week from former close associates of Joe Biden blasting him for his horrific failings as a human being.

And we don't read much about people who voted for Democrats in 2016, but this time they are voting Green, either.

We do still hear from die hard Trump supporters who remain die hard Trump supporters. They are the loud minority.

[samnsara]

1. my husband just made that comment about the books coming out...

...as I was reading Melania and Me...

[The Magistrate]

2. An Excellent Point, Sir

[Ohiogal]

3. I am hoping that

they are a loud minority only.

Trumpers everywhere here in Ohio. Trump yard signs 5 to 1 over Biden signs is my guess. They love to put like 5/signs in one person’s yard. I thought I might see a few of the signs come down after the “losers and suckers” comments, but I think they have put up even more this weekend. Ohio sure has the dumb. At least my area does.

[modrepub]

16. Ohio Loosing Population

and it seems there are very few cities in your state with growing suburban populations (but maybe I'm wrong). Like most states, the rural areas have been declining for a very long time (rural is farming and farming is more automated every year so you need less people to produce the same). Note that PA and OH once had the same number of electoral votes now PA has two more than OH and the 2020 census will probably take another away from OH; PA may maintain.

Rural = Republican = aging and falling populations. Cities = Democratic = aging and somewhat falling populations. Most of state growth, if there is any, is in the suburbs surrounding large population centers. These people tend to be better educated, value education and are more inclined to view women and men as equals. These are the areas, at least in PA, that the Democratic party has made the most inroads in the last election cycle (2018). In PA, a handful of counties will determine if Biden carries the state. If he does better in the NE than Hillary did in 2016 and gets Philadelphians and the surrounding counties to go for him along with the Lehigh Valley then he should cary the state. I leave out Pittsburgh because, while important, they are more "blue collar" than the SE and Lehigh Valley, their population is aging and declining and are more prone to go Republican than in decades past.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Hard to see how being the nice guy will be enough. Such

A weird, inexplicable phenomenon. The more dirt that comes out about Trump, the better he does or at least doesn't hurt him. One could conclude that a strategy like this of pouncing on things people already know is not working.

Just wish the election was today. Feels exactly like watching your team take an early lead in a game and you hold your breath hoping they don't whiddle it away. Trump signs popping up all over here. In TX too.

Wish we would concentrate on those things Republicans say they don't like about Trump. Too much tweeting, horrible treatment of kids at border, crimes against environment.

[Ohiogal]

21. Your analogy is spot on.

We were all so sure Hillary was going to win ....

Biden and Harris need to hammer away at Dump taking away SS and Medicare, too.

[onetexan]

36. They are. I've been reading about Joe & Kamala hammering re: SS & Kamala countering the race

relations treatment (the lack thereof) by the Idiot's administration. As well as the disrespect of the military by the Con. They're doing a good job.

BTW comparing the way Hillary's campaign was run tot Biden's is a bit much. There were so many things going against Hillary's campaign in 2016 (Russian meddling (who knew?), Comey, her unpopularity, the baggage from Benghazi & Bill's past, distrust of her due to the fact she's a Clinton & the fact she's a woman, etc. The polls grossly underestimated these factors.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Democrats always say that Republicans will take away SS tho, huh

To me, you have to find proof that substantiates it. Quotes from Republicans, trump. Bills introduced/passed that prove a glimmer of it. IOW, do some homework.

Trump does not care about the environment - proof - he reversed Obama reg that stopped coal companies from dumping sludge with poisonous matter into the waters our kids swim in. Quote the regulation. Bet trump doesn't even know he signed the reversal. What could he say?

[Maraya1969]

38. If they are putting 5 signs to one yard they do not have more signs. Besides I think they get these

signs very cheap or for free. We have to pay $25 from the Biden office.

But I am determined to find a printer around here to make signs for a lot cheaper. And I'll buy more than one and give them out.

[murielm99]

57. The trouble with that is

our signs are union made. They have the union bug on them.

Printing them cheaper deprives some union printer of work.

Happy Labor Day.

[Maraya1969]

58. I'm sure plenty of union signs will be made. Can't we have both just to increase our numbers?

[murielm99]

59. I'll stick with the union signs.

See if there is a way you can get signs from one of your county Democratic committees if payment is a problem.

We have a couple of committees around here who purchased large numbers of them. They are not charging. It may depend on where you get your signs.

I have had to pay for a sign supporting our governor and supporting the Fair Tax in Illinois. Everything else has been free.

I don't mind paying for signs. It frees up campaign money for other things. And I will always support union workers.

[RussellCattle]

45. Grew up in Ohio. Northeast Ohio near Cleveland. Still have relatives and numerous in-laws....

.....back there, eighty or ninety percent are Trump supporters, most are quite rabid about it. I really can't explain how blind they are in this regard. Some of them are kind and generous people. The common thread seems to be that they resent black folk and hate the government. I don't go back to visit much.

[Ohiogal]

49. It defies explanation.

[dhol82]

52. I will bet they don't hate the government as much as you think.

Black people - resentment, hatred, disgust - well, yeah.
Pathetic.

[RussellCattle]

63. Conversasations and arguments over many years have convinced me that they do hate...

....the government. Most of this venom is directed at the unfair taxes that they pay, even though a lot of them are small business owners who brag about how they cheat on those taxes.

[FoxNewsSucks]

4. "They are the loud minority." - For two reasons

First, they are indeed loud, obnoxious pieces of shit. That's a small part.

The main reason they are "loud" is that the corporate media has decided once again that it is those people who we need to pay attention to. They wouldn't be nearly as "loud" if the cameras would get pointed elsewhere, and if they weren't given a national megaphone.

I'd like to know who is behind the vomiting up of signs, flags etc all over the country. Democrats never have as many yard signs, republicons have always been more aggressive about putting signs in peoples yards and rights-of-way along streets. But the tRump cult is over the top. I've seen several places set up in parking lots of boarded up businesses in small towns selling tRump crap out of the back of vans.

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. For one thing, there is money to be made selling Trump crap

Democrats are no where near as addicted to loudly displaying gang identification symbols as is the Trump cult: "Show that you belong, Buy and display THIS!"

But you remind me of the coverage the media gave "Tea Party" rallies of a few hundred people relative to how they downplay peace and justice rallies of multiple thousands.

[FoxNewsSucks]

8. The teabaggers were the practice run

along with the militia people during Clinton's years.

The media give them credibility and make them the "Official" American opinion. While ignoring the actual American will.

[Victor_c3]

13. Here in Ohio I see more Biden signs than Trump signs

That’s gotta mean something

[Ohiogal]

17. I wish I could say that

It is the opposite where I live

[Victor_c3]

30. I live in the Toledo area

However, if I’m not mistaken, my county (Wood County) went to Hillary Clinton in 2016

[Ohiogal]

33. My county(Trumbull)

voted for Dump in 2016

I live one mile away from Mahoning Co. to the south, they went for Hillary

Trumbull is a mixture of rural and well off suburban with a smaller urban population in the middle.I hope the urban voters come out strong this time around.

[Maraya1969]

39. Remember they found all sorts of scott walker signs on farm properties or properties that

people owned who were not around?

[NNadir]

5. Excellent points.

[malaise]

7. Great post

Rec

[Roy Rolling]

9. Taking America's Temperature

My Facebook feed is full of Trump supporters and their daily pep rallies for the faithful.

That’s all they got—other deplorables. The only justification remaining for supporting Trump is peer pressure.

Trump supporters at this stage are lemmings heading for the cliff. Let them. Don’t stand on the way. Let them self-destruct along with their fearless leader.

The big unknown is if Trump can last 60 days. Today would be a great day for him to resign.

[grobertj]

47. Why don't you unfriend them?

[bucolic_frolic]

10. yes those were things that dragged us down in 2016

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Every time we gained 4 points in the polls, more of that flotsam was released to drag us down. Wonder if we'll ever know who the schemers were, or if they were all simply paid off.

That being said, HRC was a truthful candidate running against a con man's brigade determined to undermine truth to plunder the spoils of power. This time the con man is a spent entity who has destroyed his own credibility and left even his own diehards vulnerable, satiated, exposed. Biden-Harris is restoring truth, credibility, competence. So the role reversal is to our benefit.

[CrispyQ]

11. The (George) Wallace Project.

[DownriverDem]

12. They ignore 2018

too when there was a huge Blue Wave.

[CaptainTruth]

14. Good point!

[NurseJackie]

15. No more of this... I hope.

FUCK YOU, SUSAN SARANDON!

[Illumination]

19. I second that! Think I'll unsubscribe to E.T., etc. e-mails. So tired of the phony Hollywood stuff!

[denem]

25. Susan ... scum of the earth.

Hard words, but I offer no apology. Rot in hell, Sarandon.

[NurseJackie]

27. Sarandon Loves Trump "Revolution"

It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is...
... back then she can barely contain her excitement at the horrors that await us.

[DesertRat]

34. Ugh

I never hear anything from her these days. I wonder what she’s up to.

[NurseJackie]

40. I hope she's hiding in shame and fear. With luck her career is OVER and...

... we'll never have to hear from her again. She's such a hypocrite! She hated Hillary for her Iraq War Resolution vote... yet, Susan's buddy, Senator John Edwards, ALSO voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution (just like Hillary did) but Susan was ALL IN for Edwards when he was running for President. His IWR vote didn't bother her in the least. She never said a word about it.

[DesertRat]

56. So I took a look at her twitter

And she's retweeting Pelosi bashing posts. That's all I needed to see.

[NurseJackie]

41. Why did she even attend the convention? Here she is shaking her head in disgust...

Why did she even attend the convention? Here she is shaking her head in disgust. (I think this was the moment when Hillary officially became our party's nominee.)

[Captain Zero]

42. Maybe the Russians have pimped her career from

the Get-Go ??

[NurseJackie]

43. I couldn't speculate about that. But I do know that when someone is as wealthy as she is...

I couldn't speculate about that. But I do know that when someone is as wealthy as she is... it's a lot easier to survive difficult and perilous times like the ones we're in right now.



https: //medium.com/@savannah_lb/susan-sarandon-the-pseudo-socialist-sanders-supporter-1bff5f006b4d

[Illumination]

18. Great observations!

[Wounded Bear]

22. K & R...for truth...nt

[Happyhippychick]

23. Remember PUMAs and the ugliness of the Bernie/Hillary primary?

It’s been very collegial this time around. Thankfully.

[calimary]

24. The only person I know who's voting Libertarian this time

is my friend the Republican who just couldn’t possibly bring herself to vote for Hillary in 2016. She insists her conscience is clear (what-evvvvvvverrrrrr) but at least she’s not voting for trump again. I console myself that “at least it’s one less vote for trump.”

I think she won’t vote Democratic because of the pro-choice issue. Just a guess. We’re so different that way. An anti-choice position among politicians is a deal-breaker for me. NOBODY - BUT NOBODY owns my body or has ANY say over what I do with it - but me.

I often wonder how she or anyone else can justify their so-called “pro-life” position in light of the utter sadistic cruelty of the trump and policies (after all, cruelty is “the point”). From the abomination of children snatched from their mothers’ arms and locked in cages at the border to this “herd immunity” crap that people like Dan Patrick are hustling - where enough “proper” exposure and infection is rationalized as okay for most of us, even though it includes an expected death toll over TWO MILLION PEOPLE as “the cost of doing business”.

republi-CONS. Go figure...

[Heartstrings]

61. One issue voters make me crazy!

Talk about having blinders on....

[GoneOffShore]

64. Well, I'm a one issue voter this election - and that issue is getting rid of pmurT

After that is done, President Biden, Vice President Harris, and Attorney General Barack Obama, can get on with cleaning up the mess.

[LuckyCharms]

26. Good post. n/t

[kimbutgar]

28. My sister in law who lives in Arizona called us last night upset because her older sister

Who used to be apolitical is now on the MF45 train and thinks he is the greatest president ever because the economy is so good and she was allowed to take money out of her IRA. She’s 61 and just has a high school diploma. The younger one has a college degree And like us hates mf45 with a passion. And her husband is also is a MF45 supporter who attacked us looney liberals last time We were out there. The older sister Has 4 children and all are MF45 supporters. The older one has her loser 37 year never married no girlfriend son living with her and I suspect he is QAnon and is feeding her the bs. The younger sister was so distraught saying she is dreading the holidays. We are going out to visit for Xmas and I hope Biden is elected otherwise they will be gloating towards us and my husband will not take it well.

[Mariana]

29. I thought 61 year olds can take money out of their IRA's whenever they feel like it.

Am I wrong about that?

[kimbutgar]

31. You are correct and it was pointed out to her and she is so dumb she believes it is because of

MF45.

[Tom Rinaldo]

32. I could repeat the trope that it's the exception that proves the rule...

'but instead I'll say that polarizing politics inevitably will push some people from the mushy middle (small as that might be) to either side of a growing divide. The trouble for Trump is that the more stridently he pushes Americans apart, the more a majority of those still in play move away from him.

[Dios Mio]

35. Good point.

[KPN]

44. Great observations. Yep, the only conspicuous

antagonists are indeed the LOUD vast minority.

[Mopar151]

46. They're going down with the ship!

And playing the "victim of liberals" card, like it's the Ace of Spades!

[Shermann]

48. Trump was the proverbial bull in the china shop

This may have had some allure in 2015 in a country awash in mostly First World problems. Open the bull gate and watch all the crooked clowns dance and scamper away.

Then coronavirus hits and we have ourselves the Big Third World Problem of simply trying to survive. Now all the broken china just amounts to a big mess in the way with no essential business getting done.

So chalk it up as a failed experiment. Live and learn. The job of President clearly calls for experience and character. Lets go back to that.

[Doreen]

50. What happened to and where did all of the Stien voters go?

[Blue Owl]

51. K&R

[PatrickforO]

53. Yeah, we have to pour it on and paint the country blue.

We have to get these traitors out of there so we can get our republic back.

[TheFarseer]

54. My only word of caution

What do you hear about 2016 Gary Johnson voters? This group was 3 times larger than Jill Stein voters and are, you would think, on Team Republican if you put a gun to their head. I have no idea what to make of this group and no idea why nothing is ever said of them.

[proud patriot]

55. Indeed

We Don't do we ..

[Silent3]

60. I did run into one jackass who planned to vote Green this year...

...someone who was still toeing the "not a dime o' diffference" line, whose deep insight into politics included saying things "Dumbluplicans" and "Redumbocrats", who bitched that every Democratic primary that was delayed or canceled because of COVID, even after it was already clear that Biden had mathematically clinched the nomination, demonstrated an unforgivable anti-Bernie conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

Fortunately such idiocy seems rare this year.

But please, let's not ask Susan Sarandon who she's voting for, just in case.

[Steven Maurer]

62. Those idiots nearly always come from emerald blue states anyway...

We need the midwest. Not San Francisco. At least not until the electoral college is changed.

[GoneOffShore]

65. Actually someone should ask her if she's voting for pmurT - Again.

[kentuck]

66. Do none of the MAGAts feel any regret

For probably the biggest mistake they have made in their lives?

Or do they just stick their heads in the sand and clap with feet?

[GoneOffShore]

67. They're too busy polishing the award that they got - Proctologists' Rectocranial Inversion Award