General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"His remarks about the military will do him in."
That's what a friend of mine said a few days ago. I just laughed.
I'm convinced he could eat a live baby on national TV and it would change nothing.
33taw
(2,440 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,384 posts)Is his cult the only factor in this race?
33taw
(2,440 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,384 posts)You said it wont matter to his cult, as if they are the only voters that do matter in this election.
You do realize of course that there are a lot of voters between Trump cultists and Biden voters who might care, right? So in answer to your question, thats what it has to do with it. Try to be less myopic.
33taw
(2,440 posts)Those are the ones outside of his cult who may be more centrist. Sorry to confuse you with my response. I live in a very red county in WI - not a single trump sign was removed yesterday or today. However, one family now have both a Biden and Trump sign in the yard. I consider that a win.
There must be some interesting convos going on in that house! Oh, to be a fly on the wall...
That is good news, though. At least one Trump vote will be cancelled out!
Ohiogal
(31,996 posts)as fake news. Never bother to try to understand where it came from and how much it has been corroborated.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)kentuck
(111,094 posts)I really can't see why anyone would vote for him?
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)North Shore Chicago
(3,316 posts)We will be gazillionaires.
hlthe2b
(102,262 posts)signs. As I walked by with my middle finger in the air, I fantasized about spray-painting a message in their grass, or any number of other things I really would not do, but found it refreshing to consider. It was irritating to see, but then...
I realized if all these Trumpsters would identify themselves like this, I'd surely know WHO I needed to totally avoid. It is as if they've branded a sign on their face that signficies A for ASSHOLE.
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)Well, Obama.........
Well Hillary.........
What about the emails?
Yea, but they are coming for our guns......
They are denying that the president ever said that, and they would deny it if they heard him say it in person; in that case they would say he was just joking....
Nexus2
(1,261 posts)"Well, I don't like some of behavior, but we need a strong leader like him."
OrlandoDem2
(2,065 posts)Do whatever. Phone banks. Knock on doors. GOTV. Send out fliers. Seal envelopes. And bring 10 people with you to volunteer. This is a base election. We cant count on Trump voters to come over to our side. We must find our people and get them to the polls. Too many stayed home on 2016 for numerous reasons and we have to reverse that!
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)The messages: Are you registered; check that your registration is up to date; vote; get others to vote; if possible, drop off your mail-in ballot at the local Dem office asap after you receive it.
Tribetime
(4,695 posts)More proof comes out and it cant be denied.
Autumn
(45,079 posts)evangelicals. They will worship him to death and beyond. I know military people who lost a son, a husband and other family members and what he said means nothing, they still support him.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)Nexus2
(1,261 posts)And his followers are cultist, its about faith not reason and its difficult to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, particularly if it means admitting you were duped.
MineralMan
(146,298 posts)Nothing will affect his base of voters, but there were many people who voted for Trump in 2016 who are not part of that rabid base. Their votes can be changed. In that sense, his "loser" remarks about the military will have a real impact on some voters.
Most presidential elections swing on voters who might vote for either candidate. They are not part of any particular base, and can be influenced by even very small issues.
We forget that sometimes.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)whatever universal intelligence may exist.
MineralMan
(146,298 posts)some of those voters back to the Trump camp. Many of them voted for Trump or didn't vote because they didn't "like" Hillary Clinton. Elections swing on voters who vote for odd, inexplicable reasons, really.
Some of us tend to ridicule the very voters we need in 2020. That is a huge mistake, and a lesson we should have learned in 2016. People who post here about the need to attract SOME Trump voters get stomped on strongly by some DUers.
Elections are very tricky things. We need to be smart about them. The goal is to seat our candidates in their offices. Once that happens, our candidates can go about doing the things that need to be done. If we lose, we lose that opportunity.
We will need some voters who identify as Republicans to vote for Biden and for Democrats down the ticket as well. We need to be careful not to insult them into casting an anger vote for Trump.
Will we manage to do that? I have no idea.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)There was a lot of ugliness in 2016 towards Sanders and his supporters. It's not been forgiven or forgotten.
While most voted for Hillary and Dem candidates in 2016 and 2018, that contingent of Dems is growing and we insult them at our peril.
Response to Cyrano (Reply #14)
MineralMan This message was self-deleted by its author.
PatSeg
(47,428 posts)It won't be one thing that will end his presidency. There is the cumulative effect of his many cruel, insensitive comments. His remarks about the military could be the final straw for some indecisive voters, though it is hard to believe that they couldn't see who he was all along.
His cult-like base is thoroughly brainwashed, however, and being everything negative about Trump is viewed as a conspiracy, they aren't likely to change their minds.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)These are major scandals, but all this does is chip away at his support. Joe is up by 8, this might push it to 9.
But more importantly, Trump is spending another week playing defense and the clock is running out.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)The deplorables will never lead him but they alone won't win him re-election. Someone said it might only cost him a point or two well at this point he can't afford a point or two.
Not saying Trump can't win and he will certainly will try to cheat but this is bad news at a really bad time.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)but, if it does peel off a few, then it's better than nothing.
Thekaspervote
(32,765 posts)Military personnel current and retired are enraged. So, yes it will hurt him. Every little chink in his fat ass helps
onetexan
(13,041 posts)be voting for him.
DavidDvorkin
(19,477 posts)"He's gone too far now! He's done for."
We've been hearing it ever since.
Willto
(292 posts)Not only will they refuse to believe it but by weeks end they will be circulating memes on Facebook claiming that Biden said it.
They live in their own world of delusion.
BannonsLiver
(16,384 posts)Its not about that. its about bricks in the wall and winning daily news cycles down the stretch run. Every little bit helps. Some of the comments in the thread are insanely dumb/knee jerk.
Baltimike
(4,143 posts)Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)got crushed in '06 congressional elections, and by '08 nobody wanted to be seen on a campaign stage with them.
This current shithead spent a lot of campaign time badmouthing their last shithead, but most of this one's supporters were also diehard busheviks, though none of them took offense at how rump frequently attacked little bush.
GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)And, his still kissing up to Putin after that came out? Yep. If that didn't do him in, nothing will.