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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am no longer worried.
about the violence we've seen this summer, becoming a problem if Biden wins. I believe that it is severely over-reported.
More than 95% of all protests are peaceful. And there have been TEN THOUSAND PROTESTS. 10,000. Think about it.
Only 10% were met with government intervention. Now 54% of the 10% turned violent, but that's back to 5%. 95% non-violent.
ONLY 50 incidents have had non-government intervention (random guys showing up with guns and trying to stop the protests) and 360 counter-protests and of them only 12% turned violent. 43 incidents out of 10,000 protests.
IT'S BEING OVER-REPORTED. 95% OF THE PROTESTS ARE NON-VIOLENT. Not by BLM, not by insurgents, not by cops, not by counter-protesters.
All those photos, all those videos, all those articles, all those opinions, all that scary shit. It's all hype.
- -America is not burning.
- -Black people are not looting in every city across America.
- -AND the militia and white supremacists are not everywhere, wreaking havoc.
Even if there were 500 militia groups in the US, they could not take down the country.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,027 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And I agree!!!
qwlauren35
(6,147 posts)When police get involved, 54% of the time, it turns violent. BUT they are not getting involved that much. One in 10. So out of 10,000 protest, maybe 540 had violent police intervention.
As of 2018, there are 19,495 incorporated cities, towns and villages in the United States.
So, ~19,000 cities/towns in America have not seen violence.
The country is not burning, the suburbs are not under attack. I'm not saying that it's not happening. And I'm not saying that WHERE it happens, it is not devastating for those who are affected.
But the entire country is not going to hell.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)"Only 10% were met with government intervention and (of those) only 54% turned violent"
And personally, 54% is not really a number I'd use 'only' in conjunction with. That's quite a lot really.
qwlauren35
(6,147 posts)Didn't mean to be misleading.
Initech
(100,062 posts)jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)Or, at least, my feeble attempt.
modrepub
(3,493 posts)Fear sells papers/gets eyeballs on websites. It's the one drawback about the "free press", with everything going on, it's (sex) and violence that attracts attention and sells.
Squinch
(50,943 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Brooks Bros. Riots or provocateurs
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Sensationalism gets eyes, which attract ad buying. That's it in a nutshell.
niyad
(113,250 posts)Another fire near Grand Junction, apparently.
So here it is, a holiday weekend. Lots of tourons. But, no looting, no burning. Just a bunch of idiots burning their lungs going up a mountainside. Without masks.
Kitchari
(2,166 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,286 posts)The fascist militias and police are.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)In a modern media world a few loudmouths can be easily magnified and manipulated to represent a 'silent majority'.
This is what Putin does best.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thank you, qwlauren35! For bringing some sanity into a much over-hyped situation.
Thunderbeast
(3,406 posts)For several weeks we heard flashbangs, helicopters, and police on loudspeakers. Not so much anymore.
The number of vandals and rioters is very small. The city is covid-normal. Many are disappointed that the vandals and the cops kept the discord going. Constant national media coverage and a Republican Party that has made overblown fear the centerpiece of their election campaign makes constructive reform and retreat from the brink less possible.
Portland will be OK. I hope that the new City Council will make meaningful reforms to policing and social policy. An underlying housing crisis and under-performing schools are major issues that this city must address.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,563 posts)Thanks for pointing those things out..........
mucifer
(23,525 posts)not real protests. Still people are very angry about what's happening here.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)...and THOSE are the armed kooks I worry about.
StClone
(11,683 posts)We will have to destroy him and America to save it. I believe the reaction to a Trump election Fraud and theft will be the great upheaval and equal to the Civil War.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)Let's hope it doesn't come to that. We need to win by an overwhelming margin.
StClone
(11,683 posts)Think of the absolute loss we have endured over the past Trump years in treasure, lives, and world admiration. One demented damaged Conman, yet he has the where-with-all to form a cult of dependency on his reality show persona. It shall be over, but not soon enough to begin repair, repent and reconciliation.
StClone
(11,683 posts)Last week, a coalition of leading progressive groups gathered on Zoom to begin organizing for what they envision as the post-Election Day political apocalypse scenario.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-left-secretly-preps-for-violence-after-election-day
Hey subterranean if want to this may be a good article to open a new discussion.
mnmoderatedem
(3,724 posts)he's going to play the "election was rigged because of mail in voting" and his trained seals with their AR-15s are going to take matters into their own hands dammit.
A very real possibility.
AllaN01Bear
(18,138 posts)BainsBane
(53,029 posts)I am worried about how Trump is using them. I do fear possible electoral consequences.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)"Hey.... Hold my beer for a moment, okay???"
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)It is totally in the realm of possibility for a few thousand well organized, well equipped, and well led...
...oh wait. Duh.
It's Trump.
Nevermind.
StClone
(11,683 posts)A shit stain on U.S. history. I wonder, if now, the T-Wrecks Cult could read about their own follies as written in future prose.
EndlessWire
(6,509 posts)It isn't what is happening before the election, it's what will happen if Trump refuses to leave after losing.
Funny, but I trust BLM to do the right thing in the most expeditious way. There is no need to riot if the dialogue continues with Biden, and something positive in terms of civil rights and attitudes is seen and manifested in regards to law enforcement.
There is much to be fixed. Let's let Kamala and Joe (heh heh heh) get a handle on it. We are lucky that the military came out and warned Trump that they would not help him take over the country. But, our rule of law, the rigid way in which we operate, has so far allowed the Orange Monster the ability to do this to us. So, we still have to be cautious.
People of any color just want to be economically secure, with the ability to advance during their lives, and have their families safe and healthy. That's what everyone wants. We can improve on that from what we had, and we can put it back together from what Trump tore up.
But, Trump is a very real threat to our country. We can't ease up.
crickets
(25,960 posts)Here is what would happen next.
crickets
(25,960 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)so they can be part of a drama. Moderation and perspective go out the window.
EndlessWire
(6,509 posts)It couldn't happen here, right? The good ole US of A couldn't possibly have a Civil War 2.0.
So, if you see something going on, just keep watching, and it couldn't possibly be whatever it looks like, because, US of A...
How he would get there, I don't know, but other people smarter than I am also caution against letting our guards down. Just be careful out there.
No need to shiver in your safe room. Not saying that. But when you believe that something can't happen just because it never happened before, that's where you can go wrong.
Trump is not really a "law and order" kind of guy. He is damaged psychologically, and my guess is if killing 50,000 of us at once would help him retain his dictatorship, he wouldn't think twice about it.
He envisions a dynasty type of ruling family. If he leaves in January, there will truly be something to celebrate. Leave your Christmas lights up, or whatever kind of decor you have. It'll be worth it.