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Texas has 38 electoral votes, Florida has 29 (Original Post) dlk Sep 2020 OP
Florida is a swing state, Texas is still pretty red. comradebillyboy Sep 2020 #1
First time in a long time that Texas was in play imho MiniMe Sep 2020 #2
I think Texas may be in play more than most people realize dlk Sep 2020 #3
In the last 7 presidential elections, Democrats have won Florida three times and Blue_true Sep 2020 #4
TX is that fastball on the outside of the strike zone Yavin4 Sep 2020 #5
Carter was the last Texas Dem vote StClone Sep 2020 #7
Absolutely! Laelth Sep 2020 #10
We could sing in the seventh inning stretch StClone Sep 2020 #13
Yessss! n/t Laelth Sep 2020 #15
Or a strikeout swinging Yavin4 Sep 2020 #19
Yessir High and outside! Retires the side. StClone Sep 2020 #21
Things are changing and I'm surprised more of the media isn't noticing dlk Sep 2020 #6
Florida is qazplm135 Sep 2020 #8
No. Our chances of winning Florida are greater. n/t Laelth Sep 2020 #9
Texas has 43% conservatives and Florida 36% Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #11
I don't think Texas will fully swing until.. PaDemocrat Sep 2020 #12
We'll know soon enough... dlk Sep 2020 #14
Because Texas has been red while Florida is purple. JI7 Sep 2020 #16
Texas is looking much more purple these days dlk Sep 2020 #17
Texas could be blue if people would get off their duff and vote! You get the govt. you deserve. walkingman Sep 2020 #18
We need WI, PA & MI to win. It would be nice to win FL, but it's not historically favorable for us Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #20

dlk

(11,538 posts)
3. I think Texas may be in play more than most people realize
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:18 PM
Sep 2020

Beto has been doing good work, as have others.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. In the last 7 presidential elections, Democrats have won Florida three times and
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:18 PM
Sep 2020

just missed winning Florida 4 times (2000). During that time the Democratic Party candidate has gotten beaten badly in Texas each time. That’s why.

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
5. TX is that fastball on the outside of the strike zone
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:19 PM
Sep 2020

Looks like it's a strike. You think that you can hit it, but it's just out of reach.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
8. Florida is
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:24 PM
Sep 2020

Historically always close and winnable and Texas is not.

So pretty easy to see why folks buy into winning one over the other.

Regardless, if Biden is winning either, he's probably already winning over 270 anyways.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
11. Texas has 43% conservatives and Florida 36%
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:35 PM
Sep 2020

The gap between those two numbers cannot be overstated in practical terms.

The Republican typically receives 82-85% of the conservative vote. At 43% conservatives that means the Republican has already banked between 35.2 and 36.5% of the electorate, before the liberal category or moderate category are explored at all. The mathematical margin for error is immense. That's why for decades I have always wagered on Republicans in states with 40ish% conservatives and a favorable betting price. It feels like stealing. Cruz, for example, only received 34% of the moderate vote in 2018. But it was plenty high enough to defeat Beto due to all those conservatives.

I realize the media never mentions this, and that's why so many people refuse to believe it is that simple. But it is indeed that simple.

Another way to look at it is in terms of resistance. I have seen posts here emphasizing that Texas polling has understated the Democrat recently. That is true, but it is an entirely different ball game when a 9 point loss was overestimated at 12, or a 3 point loss was overestimated at 6, compared to a shift of fate 3 points from one victor to the other victor. That ideological wall is so damn close. The more you push the greater the resistance and none of the major categories cooperate toward another 3 point error.

Biden can win Texas. However it would require a huge national margin in the 9-10 point range, combined with an altered Texas electorate dropping to 40% conservatives or thereabouts due to influx of new voters, and some right leaning anti-Trumpers briefly staying home or not describing themselves as conservative. There are occasional examples of that type of thing, like North Carolina 2008. But outlier mode is not something I care about. As a gambler you have to ignore subjective hype, ignore exceptions, and focus on an easy way to allow numerical normalcy to work in your favor.

Thekaspervote

(32,750 posts)
20. We need WI, PA & MI to win. It would be nice to win FL, but it's not historically favorable for us
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 09:14 PM
Sep 2020

Tx..is a no

My opinion only.. remember we don’t need either to win.

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