What do you think of undecided swing voters?

[NYCButterfinger]

I know two of them

Both men.

Both of them voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but don't like Biden or Trump.

They hate Trump's voice and style but say that the Black Lives Matter activism makes them despise Biden.

They say they may stay home or write in someone like Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker.

What do you think of them?

[agingdem]

1. no such thing as undecided swing voters ...not in this election

they'll vote trump...it's all about the hate...

[NYCButterfinger]

4. They are undecided swing voters.

People don't pay attention to politics until after Labor Day.

[Proud liberal 80]

5. Don't think they are undecided swing voters

Think they are Republicans who will either vote for Trump or stay home.

[sheshe2]

39. Yikes.

People don't pay attention to politics until after Labor Day.

Seriously? We are in the middle of a pandemic which began in March. Today we are just shy of 200k dead. They must be the hoax crowd. The model shows 410K dead by 01/01/21. The peeps you know are totally unaware of this? This is not a concern for them? Only their disdain for blm matters. OY.

[betsuni]

2. Could you please explain how exactly BLM activism makes them despise Biden?

[NYCButterfinger]

12. They say that Biden could have distanced himself from B.L.M.

They lost respect for the BLM movement after the riots

[betsuni]

33. By "could have distanced himself from BLM" I guess they mean he shouldn't have

expressed support for a human rights issue that's a core Democratic Party issue because he should've been able to see into the future that there would be some (mostly non-BLM) rioters.

That doesn't make sense. They sound like the types who hated Obamacare but when the ACA is explained to them think it's a good idea. I keep hearing people say Biden doesn't have a universal health care plan. Suddenly, Joe Biden wasn't the VP during the Obama administration, and health care wasn't the number one issue in the blue wave of 2018.

[sheshe2]

41. This

[Claire Oh Nette]

43. horseshit....

So, a protest organization that Biden does not lead and is not a member of, that arose prior to this year keeps these two yahoos from voting for Biden.

Sure.

I don't see how anyone can be undecided. Those guys don't have to vote for Biden, per se, but they sure as hell can vote AGAINST fascism and Trump.

[frazzled]

42. Meaning they sound

like they might be, you know, kinda racist.

I don’t think these guys are swing voters ... in the sense that it doesn’t sound like they swing between voting for Democrats and Republicans. Every Democrat supports the concept of Black Lives Matter.

[sheshe2]

15. They are racist to the core.

Period.

[betsuni]

38. Sounds like the usual Obama to Trump voters (despite the claimed Johnson vote).

The Republican Party over those eight Obama years racialized their message until they now depend almost entirely on white identity to get those white swing state voters despite them not actually liking Republican policies.

[LonePirate]

3. I think they are racists who will vote for 45 this year.

[NYCButterfinger]

6. They're not, I know them.

They just don't want sports and politics linked in.

One of them turned off the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball game because Clayton Kershaw is a Black Lives Matter activist. They say that BLM is political, not a human rights movement.

But he despises Trump too.

He hates his tax cut, don't like the ICE issue, but he is really, really, really torn.

He may write in Gov. Charlie Baker or former New York Gov. David Paterson as a alternative.

[rockfordfile]

10. Sounds like that person is lying

[NYCButterfinger]

13. They were Gary Johnson voters. Both voted for Obama enthusiastically in 2008 and 2012---one of them

donated to Obama by donating $300

[RhodeIslandOne]

11. They must have hated Ali then

[Proud liberal 80]

14. And if they were around during the 60's

Thought that the civil rights movement was political and not human rights....seems like the type of people who will say “I don’t mind you protesting, but not like that” on any type of protest.

[sheshe2]

24. They are racist. Period.

They say that BLM is political, not a human rights movement.

They sure got that wrong and seem very confused. It is a human right to want to LIVE. Living is a human right.

[NYCButterfinger]

25. They say that their life matters too and that Kershaw and athletes shouldn't be fighting for random

people

They say that BLM lost them when David Dorn died

They say that police officers are dying at the hands of riots, not the other way around

One of them voted for Bubba in 1996

[sheshe2]

34. Got it.

They are the 'All lives Matter Group'.

Fact. Until black lives matter:

They say that police officers are dying at the hands of riots, not the other way around

Riots? Police are dying at the hands of riots?

Hmm.

Black people are killed carrying Skittles.
Playing loud music.
Walking in the middle of a street.
Sleeping in their own beds.
Making a wrong turn.
Playing with a toy gun.
Holding a cell phone.
Selling a cigarette.

Colin Kaepernick took a knee for justice the police took a knee to crush the life out of a man. Nine minutes.

[Claire Oh Nette]

45. Sports and Politics...

Like Jackie Robinson?
Like Muhammed Ali?
Like John Carlos and Tommie Smith?
Like Billie Jean King and the guy whose ass she kicked?
Like the color barrier at Augusta?


Waaaa. Your white male friends don't like to be reminded that the mostly black athlete they revere have rights, too. Sounds a lot like "shut up and play" for their entertainment.

If it looks like a racist, and smells like a racist....

[BamaRefugee]

7. That's what they tell YOU. my bet is they tell right wingers "trump forever".

[NYCButterfinger]

9. Nah....they don't like Trump.

They are swingers.

One voted for Bush in '04, another voted for Kerry.

Both of them voted for Obama

[Proud liberal 80]

16. Sound like two privileged idiots to me

They have it so good that no matter who they vote for they are good, and that seems like all they care about. As long as their comfortable lives arent negatively affected.

[BamaRefugee]

18. A guy voted for Kerry AND Obama, but won't vote for Biden? He's lying.

They know your political leanings right? And you didn’t see their ballots I assume. Lots of people say what they think keeps them in good stead with a friend or neighbor, even though 2 different neighbors may get 2 completely different versions of their “truth”.
Personally I would do everything I could to convince them not to vote at all.

[NYCButterfinger]

20. B.L.M. and the Dodgers made him distant towards Biden

He voted for Bush in 2000, Kerry in '04, Obama in '08 and 12 and Johnson in 2016

He's complaining of healthcare costs and crime rising in his suburban area, but says that Biden doesn't have a healthcare plan and Trump is just incompetent

He may write in someone

[BamaRefugee]

22. What write in candidate has the MAGIC HEALTHCARE PLAN? Weird.

[sheshe2]

29. Wait a second.

Voted for Obama? Hated or liked his healthcare plan, ACA? Biden wants to build on ACA. He has a plan. Your friend is sadly uninformed.

[JI7]

46. Sounds like he is just making excuses. Will probably vote Trump because he is a racist but doesn't

want to admit it.

[Claire Oh Nette]

48. he's heard of Obamacare, yeah?

The Dodgers? He's seriously blaming the Dodgers, a baseball team, for his failure to support Biden? Nonsense. He resents Kershaw for being the best pitcher in baseball, and I'd wager your friend who looks to Kershaw for his voting advice peaked on the JV baseball team....

Do tell him that Biden was Obama's VP, and that's his health care plan, too. DO tell him the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing. He likely gets his insurance from his work, not the ACA exchanges.

The Government doesn't set health care costs, his insurance company sets co pays an dco insurance. Crime rates are down in most suburban areas. People are home, so.

He doesn't seem to mind white collar crime? Or lawless vigilantes shooting unarmed protestors? Or a cop kneeling on a man's neck for 9 minutes? Which crimes is he worried about? Jaywalking?

[tblue37]

8. Not much. nt

[JI7]

17. "which way the wind blows" types who think wayyy tooo highly of themselves

[Proud liberal 80]

21. Yep

And privileged enough to do so without being negatively impacted by their decision

[NYCButterfinger]

23. He's not privileged

He's a blue collar janitor

[JI7]

35. If they are not black they do have privilege , especially where cops are concerned

which explains their racism and support for Trump.

[Claire Oh Nette]

49. then he has no business voting republican.

he will never make enough money for their policies to benefit him. He needs to vote the bank account he has, not the one he hopes one day to have when he wins the lottery.

I will never understand blue collar workers (or anyone who relies on a paycheck, period) who vote against their own economic interests.

He's either voting against the occupant of the white house, or for more of the same. remind him that the vigilantes attacking protests are happening under Trump.

[NoMoreRepugs]

19. Undecided swing voters? If they look at the current

state of this country with littlehands in charge how the FUCK can they be undecided? Are they morons? They live in caves off the grid? I don’t understand.

[Bettie]

26. They are embarrassed Republicans

Fuck them.

[Maru Kitteh]

27. I think a steady diet of Elmer's paste and paint chips eventually took its toll

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. I think they're really stupid.

Racial issues are important but there are others besides BLM. Are they not interested in the economy, Trump's pandemic, the Russian bounty on US troops, his disrespect for soldiers and veterans, health insurance, the fact that dozens of Trump officials or associates have been indicted for crimes, and all the other disasters Trump is responsible for? Is it all a matter of Trump's "style" vs. BLM? Stupid doesn't begin to cover it.

[Salviati]

31. Not knowing anything else, I'd encourage them to stay home

If they can't see the importance of Biden defeating trump, then they can't be trusted to vote out the fascists downticket as well. Better than they stay home, then throw away their top of the ticket vote, and in all likelihood vote for less unpalatable, but still horrendous republicans downticket.

[SoonerPride]

32. Tell them Biden ain't a BLM leader

But Trump IS a fascist leader.

They can choose sanity or madness

If they are still undecided then they are racists

[JI7]

37. They are already racist if after everything trump has done it's BLM that they despise

[JI7]

36. The 2 examples you gave are Racist

[grantcart]

40. We should fly all 38 of them to a Denny's in Davenport Iowa and not let them

Leave until they have each decided and then cancel all the Presidential campaign ads.

[Hekate]

44. This....

Link to tweet

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[KentuckyWoman]

47. They are both full of shit.

Sorry. I am not having any of it.

They can not vote Biden because he supports justice?

Yeah, piss off.

[Awsi Dooger]

50. I think there will be higher number of Hispanic undecided swing voters

I have noted that in polling all year, greater number of Hispanic undecideds, and it does not surprise me. Hispanics have conflicting influences from several directions, including the Hispanic tendency to favor the incumbent contrasted to what that incumbent does for them and thinks of them.

Here is one article from earlier this year that describes the dilemma between Cubans. Specifically it looks at younger Cubans who would not support Bernie Sanders because it would betray their grandmothers. At the time the article indicated that Biden was an acceptable choice for that crowd. However, I know damn well those grandmothers have tons of influence in the family. I have mentioned many times that many Cuban households have three generations living under one roof. After the socialism theme exploded in Florida with the Andrew Gillum nomination there is going to be lingering impact, with younger Cubans struggling with their choice since older Cubans in the household will be vocal in favor of Trump:

https://theamericanonews.com/2020/04/15/why-young-cuban-americans-are-thinking-about-their-grandmas-when-voting/

[ecstatic]

51. I don't think I will ever forgive or forget

those who were OK with throwing me and millions of other Americans under the bus to directly (or indirectly) support trump.

I think that many of them understand, fully, what's at stake--but they don't give a shit.

How should I feel about people like that?

[GoneOffShore]

52. David Sedaris captured the ethos of 'undecided' voters back in 2008. Still holds true.

To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.

I mean, really, what’s to be confused about?

The chicken or the platter of shit

The last paragraphs are telling:

I didn’t vote again until 1976, when I was nineteen and legally registered. Because I was at college out of state, I sent my ballot through the mail. The choice that year was between Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. Most of my friends were going for Carter, but, as an art major, I identified myself as a maverick. “That means an original,” I told my roommate. “Someone who lets the chips fall where they may.” Because I made my own rules and didn’t give a damn what anyone else thought of them, I decided to write in the name of Jerry Brown, who, it was rumored, liked to smoke pot. This was an issue very close to my heart—too close, obviously, as it amounted to a complete waste. Still, though, it taught me a valuable lesson: calling yourself a maverick is a sure sign that you’re not one.

I wonder if, in the end, the undecideds aren’t the biggest pessimists of all. Here they could order the airline chicken, but, then again, hmm. “Isn’t that adding an extra step?” they ask themselves. “If it’s all going to be chewed up and swallowed, why not cut to the chase, and go with the platter of shit?”

Ah, though, that’s where the broken glass comes in.