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Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:59 AM

Why do they hate us so much?

Especially hate us enough to overlook every contradiction, lie, and obvious BS of Trump in their support of him?

Is it merely dog training from Fox News and Right Wing Radio? Hate us because we defend minorities and don't put religion as the center of society? Or is there more to it?

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:05 AM

1. Because propaganda works. Look at how RW propaganda totally skewed the public's view of Hillary.

Even many Democrats insisted they couldn't stand her and that she was corrupt, but they never had any evidence.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:07 AM

2. They are defending

2000 years of white Christian male domination.

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Response to zaj (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:30 AM

4. Ding-Ding-Ding!!! We have a winner! n/t

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Response to zaj (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 03:38 AM

13. Agreed

And this has been going on for a very long time. What we see now is the culmination of decades and decades of work by the Uber wealthy to divide and conquer.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:26 AM

3. I've always thought it was the urban vs. rural divide,

where resentment builds in rural areas who don’t see many government services compared to urban areas, which get their potholes filled, relatively quick police response, new construction, etc. — visible examples of your tax dollars at work. Couple that with cultural stereotypes of hippies/welfare queens/whatever amplified by talk radio, and you get hate.

There’s no easy way out. If you can, get to know people on the other side. Let them know we want many of the same basic things they want: to live free, to have honest government that respects our veterans ... whatever you can think of that might get them to see that we aren’t the baby-raping cannibals that Q wants them to think we are. Some will be too far down that rabbit hole to be reasoned with. Others might see something in you that they can respect and identify with, which could lead to a realization that they’ve been lied to for decades. Good luck.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:36 AM

5. That is how I view the divide. n/t

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:39 AM

6. One of the biggest things that helped gay people get mainstream acceptance was...

When much if not the majority of society knew at least one gay person. Knowing that gay people were just as human and American as everyone else helped to counter the longstanding homophobia in society.

Maybe we should have an outreach program so that more and more Republicans know at least one Democrat and/or liberal.

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Response to DSandra (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 03:24 AM

11. you think gay people have "mainstream acceptance?"

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:14 AM

17. Good luck indeed.

I do think you're correct about urban v rural. Each side has its own superiority complex. Haters will never listen.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 05:29 AM

20. Yes, the benefits

in rural areas are hidden better by being given to companies like Riceland instead of individuals.
This is called Crop Subsidies as opposed to Public Aid or "welfare".
The aid is used for support rather than improvement, which is more visible.
This skews perception so the fact that Tax money flows to rural and away from urban is obscured.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:41 AM

8. Many years of brainwashing

Anything that isn't white, Christian, straight, Republican is an enemy to them

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 02:18 AM

9. That pretty much sums it up.

They have been told by Fux Ruse that we are "elitist liberals" and they buy that BS after 20 or so years. It is now a multi generational propaganda machine.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 03:20 AM

10. Because they've been taught to resent us

and blame us for being what they are not.

And they don't like being what they are

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 03:32 AM

12. Right vs. left is ingrained in US culture

And perpetuated in yard signs, bumper stickers, social media etc.

You may not believe this, but in other countries, the principle of a secret ballot is respected.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 03:41 AM

14. They hate because that is what they do to make themselves feel better.

And, as I read yesterday, Joe Biden is a pedophile...

No really...many MAGA folks believe this...

We are in an episode of the Twilight Zone

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:12 AM

15. "They hate us for our freedoms!"

That was George W. Bush's explanation of militant Islamist jihadis, but I think it fits right-wing nutjobs in America just as well.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:13 AM

16. Fear

......fear of losing their white male priviledge.........fear of losing the good old boys Network..... fear of more competition for jobs, for the most lucrative jobs.........fear of the exposure of their mediocrity (& maybe petty larceny) when having to compete.
They don't know they're afraid - thats why they're so angry.

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:49 AM

18. rw radio and fox etc, but also the certainty deficit disorder - CDD

in the well known 2003 study "political conservatism as motivated social cognition" researchers identify 'avoidance of uncertainty' as a common cause of conservatism/authoritarianism. the Uncertainty Avoidance Index (UAI) is used to measure authoritarianism

CDD, like greed, is a symptom of sex on the wrong brain, which suggests that associating impatient satisfaction-demanding reproductive urges with the left side of the brain has been driving human thought and behavior and brain evolution for millions of years.

it had survival benefits in times of scarcity and conflict, got worse as we began to crowd the planet, and about 100,000 years ago, because sex on the wrong brain was caused by right handed masturbation, we became 90% right handed.

different cultures/civilizations/populations selected for/favored different sowb symptoms. 'old world' descendants inherited higher sowb susceptibility than 'new world' descendants, who were subjected to a lot less large scale sexual repression (eg religion) and were doing a lot less large-scale masturbating after puberty

females have less sowb in general due to mechanical and anatomical considerations and 'new world' descendants have less inherited susceptibility to sowb. high sowb conservatives see low sowb humans as a threat and something to control, limit, and destroy and have 'created' many different strategies (eg fascism) to do that. low sowb humans developed democratic forms of organization to limit and regulate high sowb problems

here's the certainty deficit disorder, from sexonthewrongbrain.com

Need for/dependence on:

certainty
certitude
finality
conclusion
closure
completion
termination


Motivates avoidance of:

uncertainty
doubt
unpredictability
disorder
change
complexity
diversity
nature


Symptoms include:

stress
anxiety
fear
frustration
paranoia
ignorance
sexual dysfunction
low empathy
low imagination


Response: Certainty creation and uncertainty avoidance through:

denial
control
order
conformity
lying
simplification
absolutism
dogmatism
racism
bigotry
sexism
misogyny
intolerance
judgementalism
extremism
injustice
fanaticism
ritual
destruction
death


Long-term response:

patriarchy
religion
materialism
capitalism
corporatism
authoritarianism
totalitarianism
communism
fascism
militarism

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 05:12 AM

19. Of course there's not more to it. What does that mean?

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Response to DSandra (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2020, 05:46 AM

21. They don't hate us. They hate themselves. They know they're mediocre and they know

we know they're mediocre and they can't stand that we know it. Trump allows them to say, "See you effete liberals, I'm not mediocre. I'm better than all the women and all the black people out there. That means I'm superior. That freaky looking guy says so!"

They are ANGRY at us for knowing what they are, but they HATE themselves.

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