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Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:25 PM Sep 2020

Is Trump's reelection campaign on the verge of collapsing?

There is a lot of news swirling around the past few days that makes me wonder if Trump’s reelection campaign is about to totally collapse. There is news that his campaign is nearly bankrupt due to stupid investments and I would imagine, embezzlement from pretty much everyone involved. He has pulled all ads from pretty much every state he needs to win, likely again because his campaign is completely broke. Bob Woodward and The Washington Post have recordings of Trump from early February talking about how bad coronavirus would get but he chose to lie to the public about the seriousness of it. Of course we are getting more and more reports of Trump shit talking the military both in private and in public. National polls and state polls today appear to be moving aggressively in Biden’s direction. And there was that report from a few months ago that Senate Republicans were getting frustrated with Trump dragging their campaigns down and that they would start to abandon him after Labor Day if polls didn’t improve. Not sure if we are seeing that yet but we are past Labor Day and Trump’s polling numbers are as shitty as ever.

Not to celebrate too early or to let our guard down but I do wonder if Trump’s entire campaign has reached the point where it is essentially imploded and that his odds of winning are close to nonexistent.

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Is Trump's reelection campaign on the verge of collapsing? (Original Post) Dr. Jack Sep 2020 OP
nope, at all. Still hundreds of millions out there for trump beachbumbob Sep 2020 #1
If only... hlthe2b Sep 2020 #2
Trump's odds of winning were close to nonexistent in 2016 too Botany Sep 2020 #3
Exactly. LiberalLoner Sep 2020 #23
The Russians were way deep into our voting mechanisms (voter rolls/registrations, voting ... Botany Sep 2020 #26
Maybe, but... qwlauren35 Sep 2020 #4
Great post! Totally agree! BComplex Sep 2020 #22
We thought the same after the "access Hollywood" tape in 2016 and look where we are at now Claustrum Sep 2020 #5
The people desperately holding on to '16 are unintentionally hilarious. BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #6
I agree Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #15
Just pretend we are 10 points behind calguy Sep 2020 #7
No. Statistical Sep 2020 #8
No. He fights dirty and we can't forget it for a minute. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #9
I would hope so. Laelth Sep 2020 #10
Yes, his campaign is going to implode sarisataka Sep 2020 #11
we should be so lucky 0rganism Sep 2020 #12
That's what worries me, too. LiberalLoner Sep 2020 #24
Nice write up/short analysis of the mess that rump has left in his wake, as usual per his MO. ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2020 #13
I think not. The gop needs this way too muchnon their march to keep continued power irisblue Sep 2020 #14
from your fingers to Her ears. ihas2stinkyfeet Sep 2020 #16
If today's news about Trump doesn't completely derail him, what will? Initech Sep 2020 #17
since the day of the inauguration... stillcool Sep 2020 #18
He's using campaign money to pay for the cost procon Sep 2020 #19
And there is the USPS scandal. nt leftyladyfrommo Sep 2020 #20
They did brag about it being the Death Star. tanyev Sep 2020 #21
I think the wheels are wobbling pretty badly. Mostly I think the principal Maru Kitteh Sep 2020 #25

Botany

(70,489 posts)
26. The Russians were way deep into our voting mechanisms (voter rolls/registrations, voting ...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 02:35 PM
Sep 2020

... central tabulators) in 2016. And it wasn't just the Presidential race either. Russ Feingold was @ a > 90 %
chance of winning back his senate seat.

Putin did not spend all that money and time to "just look around."

Russia, Trump, Hannity, Bill Barr, McConnell, and so on will stop at nothing to keep this from being an
open and honest election this year.

qwlauren35

(6,147 posts)
4. Maybe, but...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:28 PM
Sep 2020

We have to play it as if it's going ahead up until November 4th.

We cannot rest, we cannot let up. We must press on.

If the down-ballot candidates peel off, then we might not get the Senate and Congress we need. All the more reason to push ahead.

I would like to see Biden campaign in Kentucky for Amy McGrath, in South Carolina for Jaime Harrison, in Maine for Sara Gideon, not just in the swing states. We NEED our Senate to flip.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
5. We thought the same after the "access Hollywood" tape in 2016 and look where we are at now
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:28 PM
Sep 2020

I remember Trump pulling out of WI and other battleground states in 2016 and he still "won".

Not to mention, he might just be re-accessing his ads. It's just way too early to tell. My mind will stay as we aren't winning until Biden is declared the winner after Nov. 3rd. Until then, everything else is noise.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
6. The people desperately holding on to '16 are unintentionally hilarious.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:30 PM
Sep 2020

As if nothing is different about this cycle vs that one. It’s reached LOL proportions.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
15. I agree
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:53 PM
Sep 2020

At no point in 2016, did I think Trump was out of the running. I hoped he would lose but he still very much felt like he could win. 2020 just doesn’t feel like that. 2016 almost feels like a mythical election when really it was a pretty typical toss up race and for some reason, people are significantly over correcting to the point where Trump being down nationally by potentially double digits is seen as a race that is “too close to call”. I get being cautious and not taking anything for granted but some people are going overboard with the “polls don’t matter, remember 2016!”.

calguy

(5,305 posts)
7. Just pretend we are 10 points behind
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:31 PM
Sep 2020

The think and act accordingly.
Otherwise, after the election. instead of studying how the trump campaign totally collapsed, we might be wondering how the mofo pulled off another upset.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
8. No.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:33 PM
Sep 2020

Money crunch maybe but they aren't going to collapse. It will be a long hard fight all the way to election day. Actually with the inevitable legal challenges a long hard fight well past election day.

Also don't forget about PAC money.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,669 posts)
9. No. He fights dirty and we can't forget it for a minute.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:39 PM
Sep 2020

The campaign squandered a ton of money but he'll get more, by hook or by crook (probably crook). A lot of shit is hitting the fan but Trump is used to being covered in shit; he actually likes it.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. I would hope so.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:40 PM
Sep 2020

In a sane world, Trump would have already resigned, but it appears that a significant percentage of the American electorate is not sane. We know that the President isn’t sane, so I expect him to drag this out to the bitter end.

-Laelth

sarisataka

(18,598 posts)
11. Yes, his campaign is going to implode
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:41 PM
Sep 2020

He will be defeated in a 50 state sweep, plus DC, we will get a super majority in both the House and Senate, he will then fly AF1 to Moscow and resign because he never wanted to be President in the first place.

Did I miss any of the usual fantasy predictions?

0rganism

(23,940 posts)
12. we should be so lucky
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:42 PM
Sep 2020

the less stable their campaign gets, the more i think Trump isn't planning on winning a fair election anyway.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
13. Nice write up/short analysis of the mess that rump has left in his wake, as usual per his MO. ...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:43 PM
Sep 2020

All Biden/someone has to do is simply point out the mess in trump's own campaign, the scamming and thieving going on in trump's own orbit by his own cronies, his gross incompetence in running his own election campaign, etc., to highlight trump's capabilities to do anything competent (which is zero in my mind).

His administration has done a big fat zero except cut taxes for the wealthiest in this Country (and of course no one else), and has zero accomplishments, has no long term planning except slash and burn, and governing by 'tweet' dozens of times, sometimes hundreds of times a day.

trump is an absolute worthless zero.

Even the Russians etc. can't do enough (online or other wise) to redirect voter anger away from trump's incompetent ranting and raving (seems like this is all he does, a typical 'bully' tactic), to hide his criminal ineptitude on all fronts.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
18. since the day of the inauguration...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:03 PM
Sep 2020

when he started his re-election campaign. I don't think a day has gone by when he wasn't going down for one thing or another. And here we are.

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. He's using campaign money to pay for the cost
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:09 PM
Sep 2020

of repairs to the Rose Garden and the South Lawn area following the RNC convention. He can't have that done on the cheap because it's a treasured national heritage site under the US Park Service. Rules and standards will be under the watchful eyes of dedicated White House historians and inspectors to see that everything is up to par.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
25. I think the wheels are wobbling pretty badly. Mostly I think the principal
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 02:27 PM
Sep 2020

is coming off the rails and they can't prop him up (or drug him up enough) any longer.


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