How many dead is Woodward responsible for?

[5X]

He sat on the tapes for six months.

[underpants]

1. Uh. No.

Not his responsibility to lead.

[agingdem]

25. oh please!

Woodward is a self serving author..he didn't kill anyone...all of this Trump bilge is after the fact ...bottom line: Trump chose fairy dust over science and human life...it was all about his ratings...

[brush]

35. Don't bypass trump. HE IS THE ONE TO BLAME.

The revelations in this book just cost him the election.

[Baitball Blogger]

33. He's a journalist.

Our kind of system of government doesn't work if we don't have journalists and writers keeping us properly informed.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. What do you think would have happened if those tapes came out six months ago?

[5X]

6. Everybody would have known of the coverup and couldn't so easily dismiss the virus.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Knowing what we know about both Trump supporters and the general population, this seems highly

unrealistic.

[5X]

15. So, no matter what is known, no one would take the virus more seriously?

With that attitude, what use is news?

[sfstaxprep]

20. Reality Obviously Doesn't Matter

A book and tapes by Bob Woodward would hardly have had an impact. Most who will buy or read it, probably knew Drumpf was Full Of Shit months ago.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

39. We knew since before the election that Trump doesn't give a shit about people.

Some people think that talking about it over and over again will somehow get Trump supporters to change their votes. Others think that we're simply one bombshell away from Trump "imploding" or "resigning" or getting to a place he "can't come back from." Others believe that there's a key -- a person, a piece of news, a victory, a photo -- that will make all of this go back to what it was. None of these change the fact that Trump simply doesn't give a shit, he knows we know it, his supporters know it. Now what?

I'm not being cynical or dismissive, although I'm sure it sounds as though I am. What I mean is, it doesn't matter if we think things should or shouldn't be this way. We're way past "should." What are people going to do about it?

[ProfessorGAC]

40. Millions Aren't Taking It Seriously, Now!

Prior to the taping, PINO was already downplaying the seriousness.
Those cultists who heard that then still think it's overblown or worse, a hoax.
Once the word "hoax" was used regarding the virus, nothing Woodward revealed would have mattered.
People are still throwing public tantrums over being asked to wear a mask.
What makes you think that thought process would have been swayed, after the fact?

[Kaleva]

26. That's just speculation.

Trump supporters and most members of the GOP continue to support despite everything that has come out. There's no reason , other then wishful thinking, that it would have bee ndifferent in this case.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Not much. Trump would have claimed they were fake or doctored

or taken out of context, and all his GOP bobbleheads and Fox would have agreed and gone after Woodward.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. Exactly.

[BannonsLiver]

3. Less than Trump.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Trump is responsible, and so are the members of his administration

who knew the truth and did nothing.

[Rebl2]

5. I agree

All so he could make money off a book he was writing. Sickening.

[hlthe2b]

7. He was irresponsible, but please don't take the focus off who is REALLY culpable: Donald J. Trump!

[htuttle]

8. None

We all knew that Trump didn't give a shit about people dying of COVID. This only confirms what we already knew.

Would anything have happened differently if it came out earlier? Probably not.

[obamanut2012]

10. None

Good try, though.

[jayfish]

11. Maybe, to Gain Access, Woodward...

agreed to a NDA that expired upon publication of the book. Regardless we need to stop shooting the messenger. This is like the fifth or sixth thread I've seen on this.

[Yavin4]

14. That's a Bingo!!!

[empedocles]

16. This whole ridiculously ugly, vicious trump; endless investigation,

needs all sorts of information and witnesses to come out.

Instant, righteous, purist tests may not be helpful as these trials proceed.

[MineralMan]

17. Lots of anti-Woodward posts today, aren't there?

Makes a guy wonder. Yes, it does.

[5X]

19. anti woodward does not equal pro trump and I resent the implication.

[mahina]

32. Yep

[octoberlib]

18. None. I love how people are trying to deflect the blame from Trump.

Even if Woodward had released this it would have affected absolutely nothing. The information was already out there through other media sources. Trump would have acted no differently than he actually did.

[TheBlackAdder]

21. If he reported it after the first interview, there wouldn't be the other 6 data harvests.

[Wellstone ruled]

22. Woodward only cares about Woodward.

His old partner Bernstein back in the Watergate era was the ground pounder who made that duo happen. Bobby Boy just bagged the profits.

[LakeArenal]

23. He's an author. He went in with the intent to write a book.

Here’s the book... I think timing is great.

[Jirel]

24. ZERO.

There are only 2 kinds of people out there - those of us who already know everything he says is bullshit, and those who won’t believe that/just don’t care. Dumpster Fire would have changed NOTHING if the tapes came out. He would have doubled down and yelled “fake news!” The response, and the actions of his idiotic followers, would have been identical.

It took so many people dying to pry loose some of his cult. It would’ve taken the same deaths if the tape came out months ago.

It’s pure fantasy to think the release would have changed anything. We see him caught out on lying time and time again, but it never matters to that core base, and it never causes him to change a thing.

[Spazito]

27. So....

How many deaths do you think trump is responsible for? Who was able to act regarding nationally taking responsibility for guiding the country through this pandemic, Woodward or trump?

[tritsofme]

28. He is responsible for the same number of deaths as you are.

What a silly thread.

[mzmolly]

29. The President had the power to address the pandemic.

It was Trump's responsibility to act vs. lie.

[Autumn]

30. None. You might want to blame Trump instead of pushing it off on someone else.

[Squinch]

31. You are right. People are acting as if, by saying Woodward should have released the

tapes when he got them, you are exonerating Donny Bodybags.

It doesn't work that way.

Both have culpability. Of course Donny Bodybags's is much larger, but Woodward could have changed the national conversation much earlier, and this "anti-mask/covid is a hoax" cult would have had many fewer adherents.

You are absolutely right.

[5X]

36. I for one am not willing to gamble with lives to increase sales or win an election.

At some point, it became prudent for Woodward to speak out and it wasn't when his book was published.

[crickets]

41. +1

Woodward could have changed the national conversation much earlier, and this "anti-mask/covid is a hoax" cult would have had many fewer adherents.

Maybe, maybe not, but the point is valid that by holding on to the tapes, he made sure we'll never know. Given the number of lives in the balance, I reserve the right to be almost as angry with Woodward as I am with trump.

I'm also quite capable of separating blame and holding two people responsible for two different things.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. Zero- had he shared the tapes, it unlikely Trump's conduct would have changed. Nt

[crimycarny]

37. I respectfully disagree

Trump would have spun this and his base would have bought it. At the time the virus was in it’s infancy and lots of people downplayed it, including Fauci who initially said masks weren’t necessary! Obviously Fauci must have had the same intelligence as Trump, so he knew better!

As late as February 29th the Surgeon General told people to stop buying masks. Said “they were ineffective.”

At the time Fauci claimed masks weren’t necessary I remember turning to my husband and saying “he’s lying. He’s worried healthcare workers won’t have masks if people start panic buying them.” We started wearing masks.

While I get Fauci’s concern I think it was the wrong decision. Tell the American people the truth. Tell them cloth masks and social distancing is sufficient. Maybe some would still have panicked, but also maybe we could have stopped the virus in it’s tracks. Or at least slowed it down by a lot.

[Montelimar]

38. Woodward isn't "the leader of the free world"

he isn't an epidemiologist, he isn't FEMA, he isn't the CDC.

Your "president" and his "government" failed us. Not Woodward.

[Dem2]

42. Shoot the messenger

Yippie!

[steve2470]

43. fuck Woodward, more concerned about Trump nt