fuck all these authors

[gopiscrap]

who withheld damaging info about trump just so they could make a buck

[GusBob]

1. i was thinking about this yesterday

how many books have there been? Its like a whole industry

[global1]

22. This Country Is Obsessed With Trump.....

And that's not only his supporters (deplorables). Even those that are anti-Trump are obsessed with him.

All you have to do is look at the posts here on DU. The great percentage of them are about Trump. People here are addicted to reading books about him and can't get enough of info on him. His childhood. His school years. His young adulthood. His Trump Org years. His mental capacity. His sexual proclivities. His money. His family. His marriages. His divorces. His tweets - and this goes on and on.

Lately - just about every week a new book comes out promising to tell the real truth about Trump.

When you turn on any of the cable news shows - you only have to wait seconds before his name in mentioned.

When you turn on the late night shows - Cobert, Kimmel, Meyers, Fallon, Cordon, Conan - most of the monologues are about Trump. The morning and afternoon talk shows - focus on Trump

Magazines at the checkout counters of big box stores and grocery stores feature articles about Trump.

One just can't get away from this criminal.

And everyday you hear of another way he breaks, skirts or turns his nose up to laws and he gets away with all of his criminal activities.

Yes - as a country - we are obsessed with this individual and everyday he does something even more outlandish than the last - and we give him a pass. He beat getting convicted during impeachment. The Repug Party always circles the wagons for him and protects him.

He's evaded giving up his taxes. Oh - they're under audit. BS!!!!

He lies. He's a liar. He doesn't care about anyone except himself.

And we just watch as this all happens right before our eyes. I'm sick of it and there is no way I can take another 4 years of this obsession with Trump.

[Turbineguy]

40. Yes. We used to have a choice.

You could stay at his hotels. Or not.

Now you can't check out of his fucking hotel and your when your credit card approaches its limit, the bank extends you more.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Don't shoot the messenger. Do you seriously think

that if Woodward had released this information when he learned it that it would have made any difference? Trump would have denied he said it and that the tapes were fake or doctored or taken out of context, and Woodward would have been pilloried by the GOP and the bobbleheads on Fox. And the MAGAts would have believed Trump's lies, like they always do. Pay attention to what was said. That's the story.

[still_one]

6. Exactly. He had to complete the book. It had to be fully documented. The interviews and tapes

took months to do and end in June

[uponit7771]

11. ... the quintesential excuse of a functionary, I had to push these 6 buttoms before calling the fire

... department.

No, fuck that Woodward better have a damn good reason for not telling people early how dangerous the virus was =

[still_one]

26. The whole story needed to be documented. Those interviews took months and ended in June

See my response to you below

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14047212

Post 23

[uponit7771]

7. You forgot the sarcasm tag, yes it would've made a big difference if it came from the president that

... the virus was killing children

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Like I said, he'd have denied he said it - he's done that before many times

even when there are recordings or video - and the GOP, Fox and the MAGAts would have smeared Woodward for lying about Dear Leader. Should Woodward be asked about it? Of course. I really don't think it would have made any difference. The responsibility was always Trump's and the rest of his administration - and they would have known about this, too. Why didn't any of them come forward?

[uponit7771]

16. Reveling the deadliness of the virus would've STILL saved people who didn't know it was bad!! Trump

... could deny it all he wanted to but people would've had the true record at that time.

No, the president saying this virus will kill a lot of people including children going out the general public could've saved lives ... if not tens of thousands of them

[TreasonousBastard]

27. And what would "people" have done with this knowledge if they were even...

able to absorb it properly?

[uponit7771]

30. Stayed safer than what they were doing on Feb 7th, there aren't a lot of reasons that are worth

... the lives of people who didn't have clear information from the get.

There were certain people who knew the virus was a big killer in the beginning and the populous should've been told and prepared.

[still_one]

23. It needed to be fully documented. The vast majority of medical experts were telling us how

dangerous it was

There should be no ambiguity today, and still quite a lot of people are not taking proper precautions

Those interviews and tapes took months, and ended in June

This book is more than just about the mishandling of the virus, the information regarding what he was doing to undermine the country with our foreign adversaries had to be documented fully to prove in his own words just how dangerous he is


Here are Quotes from top officials in the book "RAGE"

James Mattis:

“Trump is dangerous, unfit, and has no moral compass”

Dan Coates:

“Trump “doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie”

Dr. Anthony Fauci:

“Trump’s attention span “is like a minus number and his sole purpose is to get re-elected”

Those interviews had to be completed, and then documented for history, or the full story would never have been told

[uponit7771]

28. The issue is there was ambiguity then from the Trump while clearness of how dangerous the virus was

... would've saved lives a lot more than making sure T's were crossed 2 months afterwards.

To this day there are still TOO MANY people who think its a hoax etc because of what Trump said in the beginning

[still_one]

37. Did you hear the press conference today from his press secretary? She lied her way through

the entire press conference using the lame excuse that he was “protecting people from panicking”

After three years, it was more than obvious that trump was a pathological liar

The whole story had to be told, and if those interviews were cut short, just how diabolical he was in trump’s own words would have never come out

[uponit7771]

39. People still could make an informed decision regardless of Trump admin reaction with what Woodward

... knew.

it doesn't matter if Trump lies he couldn't lie further than his own words on tape, people would've known and made their own decisions after the fact.

Making an informed decision is the gating factor here, people weren't able to because the level of deadliness was kept from the populous.

I'll wait, looks like there's some reasons this was kept from the pubic.

[still_one]

42. We probably won't agree on this, but I sure understand humanity of your argument, and admit

it is hard rationalize unnecessary deaths assuming the words of trump would have made a difference

[GeorgeGist]

44. So what difference does it make now?

NONE. Except cha chings in weasel pockets.

[empedocles]

3. Does seem like the Bolton book was markedly more influential, when it came out, in

August, than it would have been, if it came out earlier - as so shrillily demanded by some.

[genxlib]

32. Bolton's book would have been more influential

If it had been replaced with testimony before Congress like someone who actually gave a damn about democracy would have done.

[ihas2stinkyfeet]

4. no kidding.

i have better books to read these days.
like- michael palin's complete diaries, which arrived yesterday.

i hope none of them makes a dime. and when this is over, who wants to read about it? maybe in 50 yrs the next generation will wonder how it was in 2020.
but nobody who lived through it will want to revisit it. ever.

[uponit7771]

5. Woodward ... ***BETTER*** ... have a good fuckin reason for allowing 200,000 American to die before

... he came out with how bad this virus is.

[TreasonousBastard]

29. How is it his fault people died? It takes time to put a book together and, IT WAS TRUMP...

who let them die.

[uponit7771]

38. Not informing the public on how bad the virus is, I don't think the reasons we weren't told this ...

... thing is a killer in the voice of the president was worth the lives

I do not understand the logic of "keep life saving information from the public" or "[Fill in Blank]" I'm missing it

[still_one]

41. He didn't complete the interviews until June. If those interviews were cut short, the full

history of this president would not have been told in Trump’s own words. This book is more than about the mishandling of the virus.

Trump can’t run away from this. No doubt they will try

All the Presidents Men took time to document

[MineralMan]

8. Hmm...on the other hand, releasing such information

closer to the election will have more impact, I think.

Anyhow Trump would have just called it fake news if it had been released earlier.

People are thinking about the election now who were not thinking about it six months ago.

It's a timely release, actually.

[octoberlib]

10. Totally agree. Why is everybody trying to deflect the blame from Trump?

[MineralMan]

13. You ask an important and pertinent question.

I've been asking that myself, actually.

I think I know the answer, though.

[uponit7771]

12. After 200,000 dead people? No ... people would've known earlier and reacted earlier with Trumps own

... words expressing how deadly the virus was.

By April people were ... NOT ... socialized on how deadly this bug was, people were still comparing it to the flu which they got from Trump et al.

[GusBob]

17. this point of view begs the question

how many lives is that actually worth

my friend over here on the Blackfoot Reservation, when they shut down the Glacier entrances, he lost all his summer business which is all his business for the year

he had a great point: 'my income is not worth one death of my people'

the people who died are unable to think about the election, sir

[uponit7771]

21. RIGHT !?!?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. I agree. As I said in another post,

Trump would have weaseled his way out of the dilemma and the GOP and Fox would have backed him up, tapes or no tapes. Other people - members of his staff - would have also known what Trump was thinking, and they didn't say anything either. I don't think Woodward cynically withheld the info just to sell books, although the timing of the release is more likely to have an effect on the election than an earlier publication would have done; I think he knew perfectly well that if he let it out months ago it would have been quashed and ignored.

[MineralMan]

24. Yup. With Trump as President, no disclosures would have changed

the course of what has happened. The book, however, could change some people's minds this close to the election, where it would already be forgotten if it had come out months ago.

I'm fascinated with the small group of people who are coming out and trashing Woodward. It's all very interesting, it seems to me.

[uponit7771]

34. Regardless of Trumps reaction people could've decided better for themselves being fully informed.

... we're talking about 80,000 people dead because Trump didn't react fast enough in Feb ...

If people would've know then at least the virus was a big killer we could've made our own decisions

[octoberlib]

9. Fuck Trump. He's the one at fault. Also, better that this comes out right before the election.

It would have been swept under the rug and long forgotten ,otherwise and wouldn't have changed a damn thing.

[TheBlackAdder]

15. If he leaked it right away, he'd be cut off from all subsequent interviews.

[uponit7771]

19. How long was he recording Trump? Thx in advance

[TheBlackAdder]

43. From what I thought it was 7 or 8 intervierws over several months.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. And Trump and his minions would have made sure that he was discredited

by claiming the tapes were fake.

[nolabear]

25. Woodward was taping 45 long after the Feb. tape, amassing more evidence.

I’m conflicted about him not coming out too but he’d have met with a massive campaign and loss of access. If his goal was to take 45 down waiting was likely smart. But yes, there might—MIGHT—have been lives saved. Remember they didn’t put things in place. Knowledge doesn’t put things in place. They held that power.

I don’t automatically condemn Woodward outright. But I think he’ll have to defend that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. This. I'm sure he'll be asked about it, as he should.

But I think he's been around the block enough times to know what would have happened if he'd let that tape out when he first got it, because that was before much information about the virus had become public, to the extent even the experts knew much about it. It would have been easy then for Trump to have immediately backtracked and obfuscated, because at that time there were few cases in the US. He could have said, yes, we thought it looked serious but now it doesn't look as bad as we were led to believe. And at the same time he'd have claimed the tape was fake or the conversation was out of context, and he and his minions would have done everything they could to discredit Woodward and pretend the conversation was either irrelevant or never happened.

[nolabear]

36. Perzackly. They stop at nothing to keep the grift going.

Over the next few days I suspect more and more will come out, not only about COVID. We need that.

[jalan48]

31. The closer to the election the better. Trump wouldn't have changed any policies if the book had come

out a month ago. Hopefully the book will further damage him.

[genxlib]

35. There is an inherent conflict between books and journalism

Journalism should be about news that is a current event.

Books are largely historical writing about past events.

We need both.

But I do have a problem with a Journalist holding current event information long enough to become history. Perhaps Woodward should no longer be thought of as an active Journalist in his current role.

[Mike 03]

45. For every one of those authors, somebody actually DID come forward

and testify, and divulge damaging information about Trump, and here we still are.

And when the books DID come out, the news anchors talked about it for 72 hours and never mentioned it again, and then acted surprised when the exact same bombshells were revealed again by some other person (see: Trump's slurs against the military).