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2/3: the WHO chief stated that there was no need for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade
2/29: US cases around 15. Surgeon General tells Americans masks arent necessary.
3/8: Fauci in an interview with CBS said there is no need for people to wear masks
With even the experts downplaying the virus, no one would have listened to the tape if Woodward had played it back then. Trump could have easily spun it to something like That was simply a theory going around at the time. Weve since learned more and its not as dangerous as we thought. And the numbers for deaths in young peopleBACK THENwould have backed him up. The number of deaths in the USAT THAT TIMEwould have backed him up. The story would have fizzled.
The New York Times had several articles in Feb and even January that mentioned official information, not given to the public, stating the the virus more dangerous than the Trump administration was saying, no one listened. One could say well, if Woodward had released the tape maybe they would have. It would have corroborated NY Times.
No, they wouldnt have. Not with our experts downplaying it. Not with the small number of cases and deaths at that time. I remember what it was like back then. No one would have listened.
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,664 posts)via breathing, coughing, etc., was public information. But it's also true that because there were few cases in the US in February it would have been easy then for Trump and his stooges to downplay its severity even if Woodward had released the tape at the time. They'd have tried to discredit Woodward and characterize the tape as either falsified or taken out of context. The remarks that the GOPers have made today make it abundantly clear what would have happened if Woodward had disclosed the tape in February. They are doing exactly what they would have done then: downplaying it, claiming Trump didn't mean what he said, saying it was out of context. We need to stop busting on Woodward and instead place the blame where it belongs.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)Now we know differently of course. By airborne they probably mean aerosolized, but most people dont understand the difference between droplets and aerosolized.
Yep, I agree with you, I put the full blame on Trump. And I think its better Woodward came out with it now, when Trump is already on the ropes due to the Atlantic article. If I honestly thought Woodward exposing the tape much earlier would have saved lives, Id be pissed. But I know it wouldnt have mattered at the time. I say hes saving lives now by putting another nail in Trumps re-election chances.
chowder66
(9,066 posts)I was pissed about him sitting on it but even if you're wrong it's a waste of time to be mad at Woodward at this moment.
The anger needs to be focused on the Murderer in Chief and those that enabled him.
BannonsLiver
(16,359 posts)With the avalanche of news literally breaking by the minute it might have caused a ripple for a few hours. Nothing more. At least now its just one more brick in the wall toward getting this fuck out of the WH.
And no, before anyone brings it up, I dont give a fuck about what his cult supporters think. Theyre not the only people voting in this election.
brush
(53,764 posts)Woodward's revelations IMO have just cost him the election. He let tens of thousands die without saying a word for six weeks.
BannonsLiver
(16,359 posts)And at the very least it bleeds another week off the clock. Thats time he desperately needs. Also, Woodward will be doing a 60 Minutes interview Sunday night which will be flogged endlessly by CBS during their NFL broadcasts. The book comes out Tuesday. All of that basically ensures this is what will be talked about for a solid 5-6 days.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)3/29: WHO says virus not airborne
we can do it
(12,180 posts)So lets cut the trashing of Fauci right here.
Fucking drump LIED so hed have a better chance in the election.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)Stating Fauci made the wrong decision in not being honest about masks is not trashing him, its stating a fact. Fauci did some things right, but he got this one wrong. Even Fauci said he regrets that advice.
In respect to Fauci trying to protect healthcare workers, they are the general public too. How many healthcare workers might have been more casual about masks during that time because of what Fauci said?
Same well-meaning advice from CDC in early days of AIDS crisis that there is no evidence AIDS is transferred via transfusions, despite them knowing it was. Thinking at the time was the risk was so low that it was in better for the public to not create a blood shortage. Well, that didnt turn out well did it?
I expect the truth from scientists. Its not just a matter of saving lives, its also important for credibility.
Nope, that was the wrong decision by Fauci.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)i get trying to save mask for hospitals works but then they should have said it that way and recommend the cloth mask or face covering. I didnt buy it an luckily had mask already available i did buy gloves though.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)When I heard Fauci downplay masks I told my husband at the time that I thought he was downplaying it to make sure there are enough masks for healthcare workers. We wore masks to be safe at that time because I didnt believe Fauci.
I understand what Fauci was trying to do was well meaning, but that doesnt mean he was right. You can relay that information in a way that doesnt panic people. Tell them its just like covering your mouth when you cough. Its just an extra precaution and N95 arent needed unless you are a healthcare worker who has to be up close (cant social distance) and for hours at a time.
Finally, I dont quite understand the logic of saying Woodward should have exposed the tape back then to save lives but Fauci was right to downplay it so as to not cause panic and make sure there was enough PPE for healthcare workers. If its true that Woodwards release of that tape early on would have saved lives because it would have woken people up to how deadly the disease iswouldnt that be more likely to create a panic and cause people to hoard masks? You cant have it both ways.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)Excellent piece
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)I get why peoples initial reaction to Woodward waiting until now seems an unconscionable act on Woodwards part, but that is based on what we know NOW. Things were different back then.
The reason I dont give Fauci the same passfor the mask advice (I am still a fan of Fauci overall)is he knew better. His years of experience should have given him better judgement on this issue. BUT, the main reason he had to make a choice in the first place between giving the truth about masks versus downplaying it is because we didnt have enough PPE. The blame for that sits smack dab on Trump and his administration.