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I wonder if this will impact the polls by the end of the week (Original Post) still_one Sep 2020 OP
How many truly undecided voters are there? brooklynite Sep 2020 #1
An excellent question still_one Sep 2020 #3
I think the real question is, how many might be persuaded just to sit home, lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #4
Exactly...very few undecideds, but it may be enough for Dems that don't vote to go vote Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #5
more than you think qazplm135 Sep 2020 #11
If someone hasn't decided yet they need to Tribetime Sep 2020 #14
I think it's likely - but probably slow and subtle. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #2
I really don't know anymore still_one Sep 2020 #6
I'm not sure there's much room for a dramatic shift BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #7
The book and tapes are more than just about the mishandling of the pandemic. He compromised still_one Sep 2020 #8
Yes, and you're right BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #9
important point qazplm135 Sep 2020 #13
Agree! He's at his worst when he is playing defense. Reactionaries never play defense well Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #10
3 points wouldn't be dramatic qazplm135 Sep 2020 #12
What is the "this" that you are referring to? Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #15
Nope. redstatebluegirl Sep 2020 #16
Nope jpak Sep 2020 #17
Fake news from the mouth of trump? still_one Sep 2020 #19
No from Woodward jpak Sep 2020 #20
Tapes of trump himself saying it still_one Sep 2020 #22
Trumpers don't care jpak Sep 2020 #23
So what? BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #24
Polls rso Sep 2020 #18
Ya Think??? 😳 grobertj Sep 2020 #21

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. I think the real question is, how many might be persuaded just to sit home,
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:14 PM
Sep 2020

because they can't see a great reason to vote for the Turd anymore. ANd perhaps a few on our side who will make the extra effort to vote.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
11. more than you think
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:53 PM
Sep 2020

at this point in 2016, over 90 percent of voters said their minds were made up and Clinton's polling lead wasn't too far off Biden's (albeit at the height of her post-convention bump and pre Comey).

Obviously that wasn't true as enough changed their minds to allow Trump to squeak out a fluke win.

I think this is basically the Comey letter but for Trump.

It reinforces Trump's biggest weakness relatively close to the election. A weakness that was at least a little bit being overcome by "RIOTS!!"

I bet we don't hear squat about riots the rest of the week. It's going to be all this and all coronavirus for the next week at least.

Which basically means this is the top thing on voters minds going into the first debate...which is right in Biden's best interest.

So yeah, I think this is the kind of thing that takes enough people from a close, maybe Trump could eke out a surprise win in this state or that state to, nope, solid 3 or more percent win for Biden. And just a couple of those is the endgame.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. I think it's likely - but probably slow and subtle.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:13 PM
Sep 2020

The effects will be cumulative, with the avalanche of other negative stories pouring in.

BannonsLiver

(16,366 posts)
7. I'm not sure there's much room for a dramatic shift
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:19 PM
Sep 2020

What it does do is bleed another 5-6 precious days off the clock that Trump needs to “turn it around.” And that alone is significant. With Woodward set to give a 60’Minutes Interview flogged all day by CBS during NFL games and with the books release on Tuesday it’s likely this will still be in the news well into next week. At the very least.

still_one

(92,122 posts)
8. The book and tapes are more than just about the mishandling of the pandemic. He compromised
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:21 PM
Sep 2020

our national security

BannonsLiver

(16,366 posts)
9. Yes, and you're right
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:22 PM
Sep 2020

As cousin Eddie said about Clark’s Jelly of the Month Club membership in Christmas Vacation, it’s the gift that keeps on giving.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
13. important point
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:58 PM
Sep 2020

there's probably one or two other major things that will help take this all the way to the first debate.

The problem Trump has is in 2016 he was playing on offense much of the time, and even when he was on defense, the media kept equating emailgate and Benghazi with the 20 plus Trump scandals.

But so far, knock on wood, the media seems uninterested in anything about Biden or Biden "scandals."
They didn't fall for "Ukraine-gate," and the Dems are much better responding to the BS than in 2016, and, let's face it, sexism means Biden is more likeable and less susceptible to ginned up hatred.

Trump's on defense all of the time. You can't win that way. You don't gain new followers, and even if each scandal only shaves off half a percent, sooner or later, that adds up.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. 3 points wouldn't be dramatic
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:54 PM
Sep 2020

but it would be substantive.

If Biden rolls into the first debate up 10 points, has a decent showing, and Trump is worse, then he comes out of that debate maybe at 12 or 13. Followed by a VP debate where Harris will clean Pence's clock.

It's REALLY REALLY hard to knock off the ten or so points Trump would need to knock off in literally the last month to win.

Like live boy/dead girl hard.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
16. Nope.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 05:06 PM
Sep 2020

His people are firmly behind this toad. He really could shoot someone on fifth Avenue and 40 percent would vote for him. Their plans are to suppress the vote. Have armed poll watchers from his crazy ass base to keep people away. The post office to keep ballots from arriving on time. Purging rolls. We have to work and vote like our lives depend on it because it does.

grobertj

(187 posts)
21. Ya Think??? 😳
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 05:29 PM
Sep 2020

Of course it will affect the polls. Probably, starting tomorrow. But we probably won't see the impact until the first of the next week. Polls average over several days.

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