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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMea Culpa. I take back everything I said in defense of Bob Woodward on Wednesday...
Thanks to Charlie Pierce, who wrote this:
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Pause for a moment and gaze in awe at what happens when two towering careerists collide.
Let us be clear. Both of these men knew before anyone else that the president* was lying in public about the most serious public health crisis in a century. Both of these men knew before anyone else how serious that threat was, and how deadly the disease could be. Both of these men knew before anyone else that a potential disaster was not only possible, but increasingly likely. BOTH OF THESE MEN KNEW! The president* knew and lied because he wanted to get re-elected. Woodward knew and kept it to himself because he had a book to sell. Whos worse? Far too measured a choice for this reporter, but, as someone who in his own small way practices the same craft as Bob Woodward, I have to wonder how Woodward watched the president* lie for six months as the body count ratcheted skyward without his conscience tearing out his heart. I have to wonder if, in some small way, journalism as public service died as collateral damage in that struggle.
And, please, for the love of god, dont buy any crapola out of Woodward that may be coming soon from the high road hes built to reach the limits of his enormous ego.
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The interviews with the president* were conducted on the record. As early as January, Woodward could have broken a huge story quoting the president* himself about how the president* was lying to the public and risking the public health. Maybe it would have forced a change of policy that would have saved lives. (Probably not, given what we know about this president*s modus operandi.) Woodward knew the truth behind the administration*s deadly bunglingand worseand he saved it for his book, which will be released to wild acclaim and huge profits after nearly 200,000 Americans have died because neither Donald Trump nor Bob Woodward wanted to risk anything substantial to keep the country informed.
I really dont give a flying fck at a rolling doughnut about anything else in Woodwards book except that simple fact. We all figured out without his help that Camp Runamuck was full of cowards and sycophants willing to put their reputations through the shredder to serve an addled and criminal presidency*. The Bitter Tears of Dan Coats doesnt interest me as drama in the least. We all figured out early on that Jared Kushner was a jumped-up putz. That, in far closer contact, Jim Mattis figured that out, too, doesnt impress me overmuch.
For reasons of their ownvenal, selfish, inexcusable reasons, all of themboth Donald Trump and Bob Woodward shirked the duties of their respective occupations and, eventually, hundreds of thousands of Americans may be dead in part because they did. The shame of this should be everlasting. Bob Woodwards nonfeasance in the face of this disaster should stand with Walter Durantys covering for Stalin in the matter of the Ukrainian famine as eternal embarrassments to journalism and to simple humanity. Nobody, as the bumper stickers used to say, ever died at Watergate.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33969935/bob-woodward-trump-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR1FjnnRyAs6ODGw_o3OVanWLBa3_nXUM5Inji7pXS24Bm40T-3DtPavpks
Hekate
(90,645 posts)KT2000
(20,576 posts)He was always coy enough to keep himself on a high perch but not this time. Yes - his ego made him release his book at the most opportune time for book sales. The dying people while he withheld this information only contributed to his sense of self importance. He is truly disgusting.
JI7
(89,247 posts)As Long as Trump is in office we are going to keep heading towards disaster .
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)of a shocking event - does he put his camera down, and get involved, or record the event.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)this was "timed" to come out weeks before a presidential election, knowing thousands of Americans were dying, for MONEY - there's nothing moral about that
if this had been known in February, repuke governors may have reacted differently than they did.....I doubt they would have pulled off their OPEN UP EARLY bullshit
certainot
(9,090 posts)would have been a lot harder to create the 're-open!' buzz all over the country. even dem governors heard the buzz from 'business leaders' etc
they weaponized a pandemic like they did with the 2014 ebola 'october surprise' that got them the house and 9 senate seats
a few hundred talk radio blowhards all over the country took limbaugh's lead (from his golf partner trump, 'lord' conrad black and breitbart (kremlim/putin), calling it a hoax created by democrats to bring trump down
feb 24 weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump
feb 25 The coronavirus is the common cold folks
"It gets into your respiratory system and it causes symptoms like the common cold -- or, at worst, the flu -- and depending on your age, just like the flu, it can be fatal."
"The fatality rate of this virus is less than the flu, far less than the flu."
that went on for 2 months before limbaugh had to pivot to other bulllshit like death rates are greatly exaggerated, masks are for democrats etc
from nationalizing efforts to manufacture and supply PPE to passing unemployment funding this story would have discredited not just trump but his silent partners on the radio as they dutifully regurgitated limbaugh's/putin's turds
pretty soon no thanks to woodward the schools will become incubators for a million more deaths and trump will try to do his own 're-close' of the country/USPS/election and rw radio stations in every state will attack their state democrats for not doing enough exactly right
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)what may have changed or how many lives may have been saved, it may have been none, but it was clearly Woodward's duty to report and reveal the truth of the lethality of the disease, and Trump's knowledge and duplicity before the American people. He put himself and his book above human life.
Tribetime
(4,685 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)had Woodward released the tapes six months ago. But now, with Trump on the record as having said over, and over again, blatant untruths about the virus, releasing those tapes is vastly more effective?
Just a thought.
malaise
(268,943 posts)Anyone who believed the Con is gullible - who believes someone with has lied to them over 20,000 times
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Wouldn't have made a blip 6 months ago.
Tribetime
(4,685 posts)Bucky
(53,998 posts)The whole point of having a First Amendment right to a free press is so that we can discuss public events that matter when they matter.
If he needed to take a couple of weeks or even a month to sort out what he had, I can understand. The really damning audio tapes were cut in February and March. So maybe he waited till the end of March to write a solid report and by then he had a chance to see how horrible things were getting in New York and New Jersey and Oregon.
but any reasonable person knew the disease would continue to spread across the country and that right wingers were getting militant about not wearing masks or taking reasonable precautions. And would work just ignored that building hysteria and didn't say a word about their leader lying to them about the seriousness of the pandemic.
Then going all through April and May and June when it was clear the summer heat wasn't going to kill the virus and the Sun Belt states started seeing New York City levels of infection, Woodward still sat on his hands and didn't say a damn thing cause he had two or three more interviews lined up.
I don't give a damn if it helps the election at this point. In a democracy we need to know these things as soon as possible to make the right decisions... And Woodward can't just play God and say "Oh well, I need to hold off so my book as maximum impact."
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)It is not. It is a public health crisis and has killed nearoy 200,000 Americanl. Releasing the tapes should not be based on when it will do the most political damge - but on when it will save the most lives.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)re-election campaign, and got them to pivot to re-opening. The RW would have attacked Woodward to discredit him, and you'd be in a similar position.
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Judi Lynn
(160,523 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Let's not lose sight of who actually did something wrong here.
Hint: NOT Bob Woodward.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I can understand the logic of placing some blame on Woodward and perhaps there is some to be placed. He however did not hold the reins of power or sit in on the briefings. He was not in a position to direct a national response the buck stopped at the desk of the president, not the journalist.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)I sure as heck think he did something wrong. You don't think people would've listened if Bob Freaking Woodward got up and said "He's trying to kill us all!". Bob may not be the person responsible for the debacle but he sure as shit had an opportunity to try and do something about it with a voice that is well respected and listened to. We got a difference of opinion here. I think Bob is just as guilty as Trump at being a self-centered egotistical dick. Bob Woodward could have saved ACTUAL lives had he spoken up.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)the virus for his own purposes.
Pretty much everyone already knew he was doing this, and has known it all along. The people that weren't listening to those warnings? They wouldn't have listened Bob freaking Woodward any more than anyone else who was saying the same thing. They were going to listen to Trump and Faux no matter what.
Not to mention, UNTIL a bunch of a people actually died, there was not actual proof that 'playing it down' was a bad thing.
Had Woodward said it in April it wouldn't have a lick of difference. Even if he'd played the tapes.
They're only a 'big deal' ... NOW ... because so many people are already dead.
Not to mention, blaming Woodward is a distraction that plays into Trump's hand.
This post/line of argument is totally counter-productive.
It gets a big thumbs-down from me.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,975 posts)What he knew about Trump's reprehensible deceit to benefit himself at a later publication date, the public and democracy be damned. What that says about Woodward's character is that he's a stone cold, calculating opportunist.
But I don't think Woodward's revelations would have changed a thing if they'd come out 6 months ago. Republicans would have just circled the wagons then like they're doing now. They're always utterly shameless when it comes to defending Trump. The book would have caused a brief sensation, then been buried under subsequent events. That's the Trump/Republican/media way.
So it's no thanks to Woodward, but I can only hope that releasing this info this much closer to the election enhances its ability to really harm Trump, since it will be fresher in voters' minds.
gab13by13
(21,312 posts)Woodward's book would have had little effect if he released it when we "only" had 2,000 deaths, it would have been ignored. The book most certainly carries more weight after 200,000 deaths.
On the other hand would releasing the book earlier have saved lives, I'm not so certain it would have, as a matter of fact I'm not sure it will even save lives being released now. The only effect this book may have is political.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Sancho
(9,067 posts)...nor did he know what MF45 would do. Woodward probably knew that as soon as the book came out, the interviews would be over. The virus discussions are only one of many reveals that could (did) surface in interviews.
Hindsight is 2020 (pun intended). The effect of releasing the tapes now maximizes the effect on the election, so maybe it was calculated, but I don't fault Woodward as much as Pierce.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)THAT is the motivation.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)...anything he writes will sell, just like his first book on MF45. I think he planned to maximize the interviews with the orange idiot, and EVERYONE planned to publish their books 2 or 3 months before the election.
DeminPennswoods
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under Trump no matter how early he knew. Keeping the stock market up and unemployment low were Trump's only priorities since he saw the economy as his path to re-election. We need merely to look at how he's operating then and now, desperately trying to get things re-opened so the economy bounces back.
People other than Woodward knew back in Feb or before that SARS2 was dangerous. When the first case appeared in Washington state, Inslee and his health experts were ready. I believe "the word" was circulating in the global scientific and medical communities, too, early on.
Elizabeth Newman was on with Nicolle Wallace yesterday talking about how career civil servants were trying to prepare without word getting up to Trump because it would make him mad.
Pierce has it wrong here simply because Trump was never going to act in the best interests of the country.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Though like you I think its naive to think it would have changed anything. But as good as Pierce usually is I think he makes a mistake in this piece elevating Woodward to the level of an American President, the most powerful elected official in the world. By repeatedly referring to these two men he either intentionally or inadvertently does that.
Journalists, actors, sports stars, no matter how famous they may be, no matter how many Twitter followers they have, just arent on that level. I think Woodward releases this in February, its a 24-48 hour story and Trump would still have done whatever he was going to do. Anything else would have been ahistorical.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)American president" as a prerequisite for coming forth with potentially damning and/or potentially life-saving information truly elevates the President himself to an imperial autocrat. Such an expectation discharges anyone of responsibility from ever speaking truth to power.
Fauci
Col. Vindman
Marie Yovanovitch
William Taylor
Walter Schaub
Preet Bharara
Even The Mooch and Bolton, and many others that don't immediately spring to mind this moment.
I can't accept that as a premise to excuse Woodward from the duty to act. Neither can I accept the fallacy of speculative evidence "It wouldn't have mattered" because we cannot know how many lives would have been saved by Woodward coming forward, but one human life is worth more than Bob Woodward's ego or his book.
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)Many people knew, otherwise how would they have been able to convey that information to Trump in the first place?
Elizabeth Newman said that the agencies that would be involved were trying to prepare all while keeping their actions to do so away from Trump because it would "make him angry". What does that tell you? Tells me these career federal employees and their bosses knew Trump wasn't going to have any sort of coordinated federal response.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Whether you think status is relevant or not Pierce elevated him to the level of a president in the piece. Hes not. Period. All the emotional arguments about his ego or book deals or human and journalistic ethics dont matter and dont change that fact one little bit.
Also, the speculative argument line cuts both ways. We dont know if it would have made a difference. I think its naive and ahistorical to believe it would. You think it would have changed everything. Well never know.
And on edit: these arguments are especially dumb given that Trump has been parroting a version of them all day. Do better, folks.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)I don't give one single little ---- what is coming out of Trump's blowhole about Woodward. Trump's abject failure, his crimes, his despicable inhumanity do not in any way excuse or absolve Woodward of his complicity in the service of self-interest. Full stop.
Woodward's excuse of "well I didn't really know if it was true" is some of the weakest shit I have ever heard.
pansypoo53219
(20,972 posts)Poiuyt
(18,122 posts)Dan Hedaya as Nixon was brilliant casting
pansypoo53219
(20,972 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)..... and the timing of its release, this editorial sounds like an attempt to stifle undeniable proof by Trump's own words by arguing that the most important thing the American people need to know is Woodward's underhanded attempt to make a buck.
"I really dont give a flying fck at a rolling doughnut about anything else in Woodwards book except that simple fact."
And there you have it.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)About what it would have changed and when it would have been more effective.
I think that kind of misses the point here. Pierce is speaking directly to Woodwards professionalism, character and selfishness.
As a journalist, it isnt his job to strategize what will have the greatest policy benefit or electoral impact. His job is to inform people about important current events. On that score, he failed on a massive score. Perhaps it wouldnt have made a difference at the time but people deserved to know.
Even if it wasnt clear at the time, the point remains that siting on this information as the death toll rose was an ongoing failure that could have been rectified at any time.
Even if you want to make the argument of greater good that he kept getting interviews, those ended months ago. So his continued silence was all about book sales.
I wont give him a pass
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)Who should he have "told"? And what would the likely result have been?
Not defending Woodward (he had a book to sell) but I'm trying to play this out in my mind. The press, maybe, could have taken the information earlier and gotten on it earlier. What would have been accomplished?
Maybe an earlier "tell" would have generated pressure on the President to act. I'm just not sure that would have happened.
I once lived and worked in Washington. I've never seen such a nest of vipers.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)I suspect it could have been higher than assumed by others here. The knowledge of his statements being out in public could have made it harder for him to behave as he did. And certainly might have convinced some of the public to pay less attention to him.
But all of that is beside the point. The point is that it shouldn't be up to Woodward to make that strategic determination. As a journalist, it is his duty to inform the public of current events. Even if it had no effect at all.
I know if I had a deceased love one who had been less than diligent, I would be pissed at him for not giving us that information back then. Especially if it was someone who was listening to Trump.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)were too corrupt and evil to be expected to do anything. The Dems here at DU knew he knew (or we assumed it). The Dems in Washington knew or suspected. I guess a "smoking gun" would have had ripples that might have been helpful.
Honestly, now that we have that smoking gun, what is going to happen next? I'd like to see some of the puke snakes in the Senate lose their seats along with Trump's defeat this year. But I think that was going to happen anyway.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)I figure there are about 25% of the population that stays closely tuned in to current events and about 10% that are completely oblivious no matter what happens.
The remaining 2/3rds pay marginal attention and largely live their lives based on the vague sense of what is going on. That is especially true for people who feel informed by their social media feed. Perhaps more importantly, when those kinds of people see two opinions expressed, they often just shrug and do what is convenient. We see it all the time in issues like climate change where people will just throw up their hands and say "who are we supposed to believe".
I strongly believe that if their was a bipartisan concurrence that this was serious, I think we would have had a much better compliance rate than we had. I am not saying that early release of this information would have amounted to that level of concurrence. I just think it would have been much harder to treat it as a matter of differing opinions if one side was a proven to be a liar and closet believer.
lark
(23,094 posts)Does that fit legally? It sure does morally.
Spazito
(50,308 posts)surprise, surprise. That takes nothing away from trump's responsibility for the deaths of 190,000+ dead Americans. trump is responsible not Woodward, imo, and castigating Woodward only gives trump and his cult an out as is already happening on Fox and even trump is tweeting the same.
Hugin
(33,130 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)"I have to wonder how Woodward watched the president* lie for six months as the body count ratcheted skyward without his conscience tearing out his heart."
Comparing the real Bob Woodward to the fictional character Bernie LaPlante? The fictional character comes off better. Woodward heard Trump minimizing the pandemic for MONTHS as tens of thousands died. Woodward knew that Trump's rationale was not to panic anyone with the reality of Covid-19, but listened quietly as Trump ginned up panic over fake issues like antifa and Black Lives Matter demonstrations. None of Woodward's misdeeds excuse Trump in the least, and pointing out Woodward's failures doesn't grant absolution to Trump.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)This is why we lose. Instead of focusing all the energy into Trump's comments, we're also wasting energy attacking Woodward and now even Trump has latched onto the whole, "why didn't he release this info months ago?" Z line.
Congrats, guys. Way to lose the story.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Joy Reid made some half hearted attempt at addressing it last night before quickly moving on to Trump and Anderson Cooper did more or less the same thing. Most of the people grousing about on Twitter are red rose types who want Trump to win anyway.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)If liberals had their way, the narrative would be Trump fucked up but let's talk more about Woodward!
I swear I've seen more posts angry at Woodward here than the actual downplaying.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)And now we see Trump making the same argument many here, and some elsewhere, have made, which to your point, was entirely predictable.
Happy Hoosier
(7,293 posts)Revealing this would not have shifted Trumpers who were determined to defy science and good sense.
I don't believe this would have shifted the course of the pandemic....Trumpers have long since determined they will never give up on him.
However, this CAN shift people who gave Trump the benefit of the doubt but were taking good precautions themselves. In my view, Woodard determined.... correctly in my view.... that the people would benefit MOST from exposing Trump's lies and manipulations.
We don;t have a redo button, but I think Woodward is acting in the best interests of the nation.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)I cant help but think going after him helps 45. Criticize, absolutely, but spend energy railing at and discrediting the person who has the most condemning evidence against that monster rather than using it all on the monster himself seems like a bad idea to me.
Maybe we just need to stand together and scream in all directions, I dont know. But I think it dilutes the focus.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)whereas I'm focused like a laser on Trump elsewhere on social media.
I have to agree with Charlie Pierce. Especially after Woodward's massive asskiss book about Dubya and his war crimes. Woodward IS and always has been a Republican and I don't trust him. Bernstein was and is a liberal Dem.
But at what I thought was the perfect place to discuss a sickening feeling about Woodward with-holding lifesaving info, people who have expressed this are being attacked! "Outrage Junkies," "concern trolls," "whiners" (whining about people dying? Really DU?)
I guess we're all on edge after being cooped up for months, but I am a bit taken aback by these attacks (translate "pissed" .
nolabear
(41,959 posts)I think people are all very much alike when somebody huts that sweet spot that just pushes us over the edge toward unreason. Some have longer fuses than others. I try hard not to shame but to hold the line when I disagree, and then not hold a grudge. 2020 is more than a whole lot of us can bear. I hope we get out alive and repairable.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)..... that so many agree with this piece of garbage editorial when the whole thing can be summed up with one sentence which I can't believe I am having to repeat.
"I really dont give a flying fck at a rolling doughnut about anything else in Woodwards book except that simple fact."
Charles Pierce is telling you to ignore the news shows, ignore trimp's quotes, and ignore anything that might be anti-trump. None of that matters. All that matters is Woodward's perceived greed. That's it. Nothing else. Neither this article, nor the author is deserving of any praise being heaped upon it and him by so many here. It is certainly not DU worthy.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)drive time ( here) on the Dean Obeidallah show, I listened to probably the most outraged caller ever on talk radio. This woman was literally screaming with emotion and anger at Woodward's failure to warn> The host, Dean was literally taken aback at her emotion and tried to direct it to Trump. She was having none of it and finally DO admitted that yeah, what Woodward did was "vile"
In August 3 folks I knew well died from COVID: a patient, a coworker and a colleague
We had another exposure episode in the clinic and folks had been sent home to quarantine
I understand the anger directed at BW. The election will be too late to fix the problems of these past few months and the next 2
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)wants to write a book. If you have to, hire a lawyer and let him tell us about the criminal things you know about this president. Things that we need to know to increase the public outrage to stop this president from moving in the wrong direction.
Then, write your book.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)It may well be fair to cast blame on both of these men, but only one of them was given the trust of the American people, and took an oath to defend America from all threats. And only one of them had the authority to take decisive action to save American lives.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)We didn't need Woodward to tell us that Trump was lying to us. We already knew from reporting from China.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)at least not enough to take them from healthcare workers. This went on well into Spring.
Several doctors were on MSNBC saying this very thing yesterday. We did NOT have confirmation that this was an exclusively airborne disease until damn near summer! And we still see people wearing their mask below their fucking nose! Like noses are not connected to our fucking lungs. Because they still don't get it.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)As for our experts, we were lied to about the masks.
I am pretty sure experts darn well knew masks are helpful, but we didn't have enough masks for medical professionals, so they didn't want public to buy all the masks for themselves.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)It had not been proven that masks for non-medical personal were vital, so let those on the front line have them.
We still didnt know for sure how it was spread, but Trump and the Republicans did. Remember the video of the Michigan Doc, showing us how to wash down our groceries, back when touch was still a factor. BUT THE REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP KNEW, that this was probably security theater and we all needed masks.
I saw a clip on MSNBC this am where Trump fucking LIED to Sanjay Gupta about infection rate at a press conference in the White House, contradicting what he said on a tape THE NIGHT BEFORE!!
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)Book publishing is a business, and publishers know how to protect their investments. IN all likelihood, Woodward was forbidden by contract with his publisher from disclosing details from the book in advance of publication.
ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)that the 1st amendment is absolute.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Donald Trump, and Donald Trump alone, was to blame. If Bob Woodward had released the tapes, there is ABSOLUTELY no guarantee that Trump and/or the RePutinCans would have changed a damn thing.
Trump says so many mutually contradictory things in one day that this would have been glossed over. Coming on the heels of 6 months of disastrous actions/non-actions, there is no way that Trump can explain this way, and it is far more effective. If Bob makes some money off of this, fine, but the political price that Trump will pay is worth it. It took the passage of time to demonstrate that.
For heaven's sakes, impeachment didn't change Trump, so why would Bob Woodward? Don't be like Susan Collins and think Trump would learn his lesson.
Blaming Bob Woodward will not change this country. Blaming Donald Trump for these failures and voting him out of office will.
PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
crickets
(25,962 posts)None of us will ever know whether thousands of dead loved ones might still be healthy and living today if Woodward had blown the whistle in real time, because he chose not to speak up all those months ago. It's merely a thought experiment now, a horrifying one.
Anger directed at Woodward does not exonerate trump or any of the other people who also could have told the truth and did not. donald trump and his administration have blood on their hands, no doubt at all.
Is there a sliver of doubt reserved for Bob Woodward? Make no mistake, the timing of his book release is tied to the election to make money, not to tip the scales. Any beneficial effect on the outcome of this election that comes from this book is entirely incidental to the cash and cachet.
Fuck you, Bob Woodward, you conscienceless husk of a human. Bravo, Charlie Pierce
It is possible to hold trump completely responsible for the needless deaths of tens of thousands, possible to harshly judge Woodward for having all the empathy of a dead shark, while simultaneously supporting Joe Biden's presidential candidacy. My vote is locked, loaded, and ready to go.
None of this 👆 will have any real effect on anyone else's vote, so I am in no way 'betraying the party' or letting donald trump off the hook by briefly expressing an angry opinion about Bob Woodward on a political message board.
Thank you for posting the op-ed, Hekate.
tavernier
(12,380 posts)Europe knew. Asia knew. Etc. Etc.
We screamed for honesty from the head rat who had no intention of using his power to help.
Why are we blaming Woodward? He didnt reveal a deep dark secret. We all knew. Trump wouldnt have changed a hair if this had been reported in January or June or right now. And he wont change anything until hes thrown out of office, feet first.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)If blaming Woodward is correct, Trump should now be shouting to the high heavens for all to wear a mask. He is not, and he will not.
Does anyone seriously think that Woodward's disclosing this in March or April or May or June or July of 2020 would make any difference???