America withdraw from the United Nations? What do you think of some who feel so?

[NYCButterfinger]

Some Americans say that the United States should withdraw from the United Nations, that the city of New York and the UN should negotiate over an agreement to sell the UN headquarters building and let the UN go somewhere else?

My next door neighbor has been saying for years to me, "America doesn't need to be in the UN".

What do you think?

[qwlauren35]

2. Unthinkable.

Only a true isolationist would think that. We are a melting pot of the world. How could we isolate ourselves from the countries that we have such very human ties to?

[Spazito]

3. What do you think? n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Your next-door neighbor is an idiot, but what do YOU think?

[marybourg]

5. What's wrong with being in the U.N.?

Other than we don’t “need to be in the U.N.”?

[smirkymonkey]

6. Ok, I know this is a naive question, but why are republicans/right-wingers so anti-UN?

Is it just because the UN won't allow us to be big bullies around the world or is there more to it than that?

[WyattKansas]

18. Because Republicans like to destroy anything the Democratic Party did to progress to a better world.

Why? Republicans only want death and destruction, reaping the rewards of others misery and they like using the U.S. Super Power status to bully and conquer other countries to cash in on more rewards. Everything they spew about God, the flag, Ma, and apple pie is bullshit cover for their Mammon worship.

[smirkymonkey]

23. I thought it was something like that.

God, I really hate them.

[George II]

7. If you're asking others' opinion on this, why not give us yours first?

[cab67]

8. 'Some Americans' have been saying this for decades.

At first, they were Birchers concerned about some sort of Communist plot to fluoridate the water and control the government from the shadows.

There’s less paranoia about fluoridation now, but it’s still based on conspiracy bullshit.

Trump thinks it’s a good idea. That’s all anyone needs to know.

[Aristus]

27. You forgot "polluting our precious bodily fluids".

[Johnny2X2X]

9. Naive and easily led

The UN has been great for America, it's stopped wars before they had to be fought, it's fostered trade that has been an economic boon to the US, and it's helped all sorts of problems get resolved before they reach our chores. The UN is a great investment and saves us so much blood and money it pays for itself 100 times over.

[TreasonousBastard]

10. JFC! We CREATED the UN after WWII to avoid another WWII. Yeah, it's not working as well...

as everyone hoped, but that it exists at all gives us some hope.

Only reactionary assholes want it gone.

[tritsofme]

11. This is an incredibly stupid idea, worthy only of ridicule. I'm perplexed why you would legitimize

such a fringe RW concept, and think it is the jumping off point for some sort of “debate” about our future in the UN?

[Spazito]

17. Some people say....

Gosh where have I heard that before....hmmmm.

[Caliman73]

22. You keep saying what "other" people in your neighborhood are saying, what do YOU say?

It is good to know the intentions and views of the people you are having a discussion with.

Without that, the posts appear to be trolling or stirring the pot.

The UN is a voluntary agreement between nations. The US has acted against the recommendations of the UN many times in the past and the UN has been powerless to stop the US. So have England, France, Russia, and China, who are on the Security Council. The only way things get done through the UN is if the US primarily but sometimes the other major nations need to back the UN up.

The UN is not a powerful organization unless the nations involved cooperate and make it so.

This idea of the UN having ANY kind of power or authority over the US is ridiculous.

[NCDem47]

12. UN's central mission: the maintenance of international peace and security.

In the old days, conservatives (war hawks) mocked its dove mentality.

Today though? Kinda goes against the current worldwide shift to fascism, authoritarianism, oligarchy, racism, and isolationism.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

14. This has been going on for decades.

When I was 10 (I'm 71 now) I remember seeing barns with "U.S. OUT OF U.N. NOW!" painted on the side in huge letters. I didn't understand. To me the U.N. meant UNICEF, and I had even made a model U.N. building out poster board and a ping pong ball after my elementary class had taken a field trip there. I still don't understand the hatred some people have for working with other countries, although Trump's declaration of "America First!" did open the door to that kind of thinking.

[Brother Buzz]

15. It would be cool relocating the UN back to San Francisco....

where the charter was ratified, but to walk away from it is just plain stupid.

[MineralMan]

16. That Has Been a Right-Wing Goal for Decades.

Enough said.

[Baked Potato]

19. Many Americans know the U.N. is not perfect, but necessary for peace.

I don’t think the US should withdraw from the U.N. Does your neighbor have reasons?

[NYCButterfinger]

20. She said that the UN didn't do anything during Iraq, that UNICEF is wasteful and that American

sovereignty is important.

[Baked Potato]

21. Looking at the big picture, the U.N.

has many success stories. I remember the U.N. opposing the Iraq war, but our sovereignty won out.

As far as UNICEF:

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UNICEF uses a variety of programs, from emergency response to education, to support children. They work in over 190 countries to improve the lives of children through a variety of initiatives.

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[Caliman73]

26. What was the UN supposed to do during Iraq?

Does your neighbor know that the UN inspectors and US inspectors had done their job and that Iraq was in compliance with the mandates against chemical weapons? Does your neighbor know that the US, against the wishes of the UN launched an invasion against Iraq based on false information? Does your neighbor know that the UN has NO military capabilities except for what member nations provide? Who was going to give the UN troops to "do something" in Iraq? The US, who was there against the UN's wishes? France, England, Russia?

I have no idea about UNICEF. The only real threat American sovereignty is Trump inviting other countries to meddle in our elections.

[LanternWaste]

29. Her responses do not follow.

In effect, her responses are a fallacy in which a conclusion does not follow logically from what preceded it.

[Initech]

24. This is the wet dream of anti-globalists like Alex Jones.

And that's enough to say that if they are for it, it's bad.

[Hekate]

25. Some people say you keep quoting other people without rendering your own opinion

Some people say — I myself wouldn't say it, but many people are saying — you are doing this for amusement.

[LanternWaste]

28. Seems all of your of late arguments and allegedly sincere queries share one common denominator....

"some people are saying..."

I find that both telling and a leading indicator... especially from one who professes to engage in discussion, yet dramatically avoids it. As though you were simply casting wide nets filled with rhetorical bait and fallacious chum for little more than a self-satisfaction.

That's what I think. As per your request.

[PETRUS]

30. My neighbor says the US should withdraw from North America...

What do you think?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. America withdraw from the United Nations?

Awful idea.