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Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:42 PM

Bob Woodward sat on this audiotape for 7 months

New Yorkers were planning Mass burials a month after this tape was made because they were running out of refrigerated trucks to handle the volume of bodies piling up.... and Bob Woodward thought he needed to sit on this another 6 months to help his book sales.

Trump is an amoral piece of shit who'd kill his own supporters if it would get him re-elected. He bragged about that 4 years ago. We knew that about him.

But I would have expected Bob Woodward to do something a little bit sooner because it would have saved lives.

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Reply Bob Woodward sat on this audiotape for 7 months (Original post)
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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:44 PM

1. How many threads on this topic so far?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:53 PM

8. My first

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Response to Bucky (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:03 PM

17. Yea, but maybe look if other people posted an exact same thing before posting?

NT

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Response to Bucky (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:16 PM

29. CNN covered this this morning. Seems Woodward expected to talk to...

trump on Feb. 7 about being acquitted in the impeachment hearings and was surprised trump wanted to talk about covid, which at that time was seen by most, including Woodward, as a problem in China. He listened and recorded trump talking about how he had just spoken with Xi Jinping who told him that it was very serious and spread through the air but it was under control.

Woodward didn't know, and trump didn't share, that there was also a national security meeting in late January where trump was also alerted that covid was spreading in China and it was dangerous and had potential to arrive here. It wasn't until later on in May when Woodward found out about the January meeting that he realized what he had in the Feb. 7 recording. It was then that he sped up work on the book so it could be published as soon as possible before the election.

It sounds plausible as most people in Feb. had heard vaguely about a virus in China. I myself had flown to Phoenix on the 4th and came back on the 7th, not concerned yet about flying or mask wearing or social distancing.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:23 PM

36. Yep

So much god damn sanctimony.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:44 PM

56. Trump called him 19 times over the course of months. If he leaked it, Trump would cut him off.

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I know right.

Everyone with half of a brain knew Trump was bullshit and mostly all of his followers would believe him over his own recording. There are a lot of revelations that came out that would never have come to light if Woodward spoke up earlier.

Deflecting to Woodward, as the scapegoat, does Trump and Russian troll bidding.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:45 PM

2. What could it have done?

There's no way to impeach Trump, thus the only effective method of getting rid of Trump is what Woodward did, release it as a September surprise.

It was obvious that Trump was gaslighting the public about the virus, in order to prop up the stock market and secure his reelection.

Woodward's tape proves it but it was pretty clear this is what was going on.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:48 PM

3. It's not about Trump its about those who suffered and died

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:59 PM

9. But releasing the tape then wouldn't have made Trump

do anything differently and there was no way to impeach him.

Trump would've simply gaslighted like he's doing now, and continued on with his 'downplaying' tactic while dogwhistling to his base that the virus is a hoax.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:00 PM

12. I know that's your opinion but I disagree 100% And I don't even know how this is a question

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:02 PM

14. What do you disagree with?

Did this revelation made Trump supporters to all of the sudden wear mask? No.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:05 PM

19. Actually a lot of Republicans are leaving the party.

This could have accelerated the trend. This could have gotten just a few more people to take the precautions seriously at least.

Voting for Trump is a tragedy. But blowing the chance to wake someone up and possibly save their life is one also.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:06 PM

22. What exactly do you want done about it now?

Numerous posts about this topic don't achieve anything other than to take blame off Trump.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:19 PM

34. No, giving Trump 6 extra months to not be called out on his lies...

... that is what gave Trump political cover. 6 months of not having the conversation that he knew this all along was six extra months that all of us could have spent chipping away at more and more pro Trump denialism.

Imagine Rachel Maddow playing this tape over and over every couple of weeks. Imagine ABC, CBS, MSNBC, and maybe even Fox new shows making Republican senators squirm, and mass hating Republican governors face up to them carrying water for this liar.

Maybe the timing feels good for us a democrats, but Bob woodward, who is a Republican, sitting on this for the last 6 months has given a lot of Republican politicians time to run out the clock on an election when they're bleeding support.

But ultimately the real problem is, in a democracy people aren't supposed to make the decisions for you about what you deserve to know.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:27 PM

39. Again, what do you want to do about it now?

Imagining what could have happened does no good.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:44 PM

55. 90% of the case against Trump is about imagining what could have happened

I don't think it deters one person from turning against Trump to point out that Woodward sat on a story in a way that tactically helped Trump through the summer (inadvertently of course) and gave breathing room to the Republicans carrying water for Trump.

The fact that nothing can be done about it now doesn't mean I don't have the right to be outraged about it after the fact.

Of course I'm mad at Trump, but I've been living at him for the last 4 years. And I matter than hell at the Republicans who put their party interests above National Security for the same 4 years.

But I'm pretty damn sure I have the right to be mad at Bob Woodward for withholding damning information about Trump while people were dying and businesses were failing and families were being evicted.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:38 AM

103. ITA. ThAts just what trump would have done. Nt

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:49 PM

4. Kill the messenger! Off with his head!

Long live the murderous traitor!

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Response to Pathwalker (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:06 PM

20. I want Bob Woodward to sell a lot of books

I just don't think failing to warn people, using Trump's own words, is an ethical way to do that.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:51 PM

5. That is exactly Trumps defense. Nt

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:51 PM

6. There wouldn't have been any point for Woodward to come forward. Trump would have

said he was a low life, stupid, a Democrat and it was all lies. The right wing talking heads would have went on a full out attack discrediting everything he has ever wrote clear back to Nixon. I don't understand Trump lies and people attack the messenger.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:03 PM

16. Of course he would say that. But it's an audio tape in his own words

Moderate Republicans are jumping ship because of trump. This could have pushed more. Trump isn't doing his evil in isolation. This would have made more of those on-the-fence Republicans squirm a lot harder.

This would have been another cudgel to beat over Trump's head during the Democratic convention. His quotes could have been bumper stickers a lot sooner, and woken up more people a lot faster to the reality of Trump.

Knowledge is power, and Bob Woodward held the good guys back.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:03 PM

61. +1000

I agree. Look at how people are attacking Woodward now? Does anyone think they would have listened to him back then? He's not a doctor, he's not an expert. People only would have accused him of the same things they are accusing him of now.

Trump and the republicans would not have changed their behavior. They would have gone with exactly the same playbook and their cult would have followed them in exactly the same way. The media would have been acting out the same scenario and I doubt very much anything would have changed much. BECAUSE TRUMP WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY! He and Kushner and the rest of them wanted people to die. They wanted to blame the Democratic Governors and use this virus as a political wedge.

TRUMP was the president! He was the one with the power to change the response. Woodward could have screamed at the top of his lungs and I doubt very much it would have made one bit of difference. The same people who would have heeded his warnings are the same people who were likely to take it seriously back then. The media would have done a hatchet job on him and people would have been just as confused.

I don't think the guy (Woodward) is the most ethical person in the world, but I think his motives may have had more than just selling a book. Keep in mind that he did not have knowledge of how this virus was going to progress back then either. I just don't believe he was that prescient.

He is not an epidemiologist and did not have access to a fraction of the info that Trump did, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did not know how devastating this disease would be at that point. He may just have held on to it as his "trump" card in case things got bad enough in order to expose Trump right before the election in order to finally get rid of him.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:52 PM

7. And

Trump sat on or denied the seriousness of the virus for how long?

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:59 PM

10. Like I said, everyone knows Trump is a murderous POS

He's not doing it alone. The entire Republican establishment is enabling him. I want them gone too.

I don't know for a fact this tape has been released in April or may it would have saved that many lives.

Calculating how many lives you save by warning people is making decisions about who gets to be warned about a deadly situation. There's a reasonable chance Herman Cain would have gone to Tulsa without a mask anyway. An ethical person would have warned all of them, "Here's a tape of Trump admitting he's lying about how deadly the virus is just to get reelected."

If you have a capacity to give someone the chance to save their life, the chance to see they're being hoodwinked, as a human being you owe it to them.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:47 PM

57. +1000000

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Response to Bucky (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:42 AM

86. Trump could have taken this more seriously in his DAILY press breifings...

but it looks like Trump had other priorities. I'm sure you can find out those other priorities without someone pointing them out for you. Because as you say, everyone knows Trump is a murderous POS.

I'm also sure you were pointing out to everyone the severity of the Covid-19 based on all the reporting in early February. I don't know one publication that was not reporting on Covid-19 in early February, everyone reading the news, or watching the news was aware. Why were more precautions not taken? Because as you say, everyone knows Trump is a murderous POS.

I guess we will never know, Monday morning quarterbacking and all.

I would also like to add, what is Trump doing now? There are cases surging all over the place, Trump knew it was airborne. What is Trump doing now?

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:00 PM

11. It is obvious, Woodward must be impeached for mishandling of the COVID crisis

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Response to still_one (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:06 PM

21. You just don't have anything useful to say, do you?

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:01 PM

13. Please stop!! No one was listening to the experts, whatever makes you think they would have

Listened to a journalist??

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:10 PM

24. Sorry, but all the Republicans jumping ship are absolutely listening to experts.

But it doesn't matter if they would have listened or not. You have a moral responsibility to warn people if you can wake them up.

I mean seriously,if you saw someone you disagreed with politically driving towards a cliff, would you warn them? I don't have to like someone in order don't use my voice to save their life.

The fact is you and I and Bob Woodward do not have the right to deny someone the information that could lessen this ongoing pandemic.

Saying "Oh but they would have ignored Trump's own words anyway" is lazy.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:48 AM

87. Why didn't Trump warn America about the threat of Covid-19?

Trump had daily press briefing, why was it not stated daily that Covid-19 was airborne?

I guess we will never know what Trump knew and when did he know it.

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:19 PM

68. Exactly! If they weren't listening to Fauci, who was the foremost expert in the field, why the hell

would anyone have listened to a journalist, especially when they thought he had a political ax to grind?

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:02 PM

15. So did trump.

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Response to spanone (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:04 PM

18. Trump was very much lying on purpose, which Woodward's tape proves.

Trump (and however many other people briefed) were informed early on and then Trump went and publicly lied.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:14 PM

25. Lots of people here seemingly heavily invested..

..in making sure that Bob Woodward stays spotless in this shit-cyclone.

Not sure why.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:17 PM

30. Nah, it's more about assigning blame to, you know, the fucking president.



Give it a try sometime.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:23 PM

37. Blaming Woodward for not letting us know that the president lied (with proof!)

Does not detract from the blame that rests on trumps shoulders.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:29 PM

42. We already don't know he lies?

NT

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Response to aidbo (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:32 PM

44. I just think about all the questions Republican pols could have faced

over the last 6 months. I'm just thinking about the Republican governors who've been shillyshallying over masks and shutting down bars trying to explain away Trump's words while failing to protect their people.

If this revelation is the game changer that I hope that it is, I'm pretty mad that we didn't get these points on the board before the second half of the game, before 50,000 lives ago.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:42 PM

53. And so now that the tape has been released all those republican governors are doing something?

Pandemic is nowhere near over, in case you didn't notice.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:49 PM

59. I've spent 57 years watching "the process" work its slow magic

It takes a long time to turn around the ship, especially in a democracy when there's so many different oars in the water.

I don't know for a fact that having this information in April or May would have changed the big picture, but I do know the people Trump was misleading deserved to know this as soon as it could have become available.

I don't know if you've lost any friends or loved ones in this pandemic. But I have. A couple through their own a/o a family member's stupidity about the dangers. They didn't need to die, and playing politics and optimal political timing like this is playing with other peoples' lives.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:16 PM

26. does anybody think it would have made a difference?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:35 PM

48. I do.

If it was really all that hopeless, we wouldn't have over 100 Republican public officials endorsing Joe Biden right now. Maybe it could have been 10 more, maybe could have been 100 more.

But it would have been six more months of people asking Republican governors why they're carrying water for Trump when -- in his own words -- he deliberately misled the public about the dangers that were taking American lives. I would have loved to see that question being asked for the last 6 months.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:16 PM

27. Sigh

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:16 PM

28. It was better to be released now, less than 2 months before the election

than 9 months before the election when it would have been long forgotten by now.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:18 PM

33. PEOPLE WERE / ARE DYING

WE THE PEOPLE should have come FIRST

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Response to Skittles (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:23 PM

38. They did -regardless of what his intentions were

It is having the effect of keeping the guy who did that from being re elected. If it were released 7 months ago, we would have forgotten it by now and it would have done squat at hurting Trump's re election. Look, I don't pretend to think Woodwards has anybody else's interest but his own at heart for anything, but the timing of this is far more helpful to the goal of making sure this never stops happening and never happens again -than not.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:34 PM

46. how many people are dead now?

ENOUGH ALREADY

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Response to Skittles (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:38 PM

51. A lot of people are dead now, but Trump's supporters are still going to his rallies without masks.

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:42 PM

54. AND???

*DONE HERE*

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Response to Skittles (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:06 PM

64. And maybe if more people had known his lies sooner, fewer would go to those rallies

Maybe Herman Cain would have died anyway. But how many people did Herman Cain pass the virus along to? How many lives would I save just a few more Republicans had worn masks? Just getting Trump to cave on that one's little stupidity would have saved lives.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #64)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:03 AM

80. Guess what, a ton of people are still going to those rallies

They re still spreading it. They are still defending him. Those people don't care about how he lies. But the timing of this release will convince more of his supporters who don't go to his rallies and are on the fence, to not vote for him. If this was released 7 months ago it would go the same way every other "bombshell" did: quickly forgotten in the media news cycle

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Response to Skittles (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:54 AM

89. I know RIGHT. We should IMPEACH Trump for his handling of Covid-19.

IMPEACH Trump for his mishandling of the pandemic response.

IMPEACH Trump for lying DAILY that this was "all going away, like a miracle"

WE THE PEOPLE should have come FIRST. IMPEACH Trump.

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #89)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:58 AM

92. it's well known that repukes aren't going to do a damn thing about Trump

which makes it all the more sickening that others are not stepping forward

SHAME ON THEM ALL

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Response to Skittles (Reply #92)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:06 AM

95. I'm not talking about holding the repukes accountable.

We MUST HOLD Trump ACCOUNTABLE!!!! Don't you see we have the TAPES, the TAPES!!!!

We MUST IMPEACH, get Pelosi on the phone we have the TAPES!!!!

No waiting for the election, WE MUST IMPEACH, NOW!!!!

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #95)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:23 AM

100. did you not see what happened during the last impeachment?

NOTHING WILL CHANGE WITH THESE REPUKES, NOTHING

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Response to Skittles (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:28 AM

102. I AGREE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO TRUMP or GOP.

THEY ARE INVULNERABLE!!!! Woodward coming forward at any point BEFORE TODAY will make no difference in holding Trump accountable.

The only remedy we have besides impeachment is VOTING THE MFers OUT.

NO other way to remove the turds from the punchbowl.

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #102)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:29 PM

108. I absolutely disagree that people speaking up would not change anything

doing nothing is NOT AN OPTION when people are dying

over and OUT

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Response to Skittles (Reply #108)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:40 PM

109. If speaking up is all we have...

WE MUST VOTE. THAT is the ONLY voice we have left.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #92)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:12 AM

96. Why isn't Woordward being called to Washington to sit in front of Congress...

to tell us all what he knows. Get the Trump tapes in the Congressional record.

Even if we don't start an impeachment hearing there are a lot of things Congress can do to prevent future presidents from committing the same failures and lying to the public as Trump has.

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #96)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:23 AM

98. it is unbelievable

no one has any freaking honor, no one seems willing to really put country first

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Response to Skittles (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:53 PM

106. Plenty of sanctimony to go around though

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #106)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:27 PM

107. I won't even say what I think of such a response

DONE HERE

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:17 PM

32. Bob Woodward is a journalist and an author.

He did his job. Battling Covid is Trump's responsibility. He did not do his job. JMHO.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:20 PM

35. Woodward knew Trump wasn't doing his job while lying about it

that is sickening

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Response to Skittles (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:27 PM

40. Obviously Trump is more sickening than Bob Woodward

But if Trump's central sin in this is not warning people about how deadly and contagious this disease was when he had the duty and moral obligation to do so, surely the job of the press is to bring evidence of this wrongdoing in front of the public as soon as they can. Especially when lives are at stake.

If the firefighters aren't putting out a house fire, that doesn't justify me quietly standing at the corner and watching it burn. I can at least warn the residents. I can at least give them the information they need to decide what's best for themselves.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:28 PM

41. And I guess no one else could figure that out?

Really?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:33 PM

45. on tape?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:37 PM

49. So if it wasn't taped it didn't happen?

NT

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:57 AM

91. IMPEACHMENT TRIALS SHOULD START TOADY.

Trump MUST BE IMPEACHED. TODAY, NO WAITING, TODAY!!!

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #91)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:59 AM

93. He's already been impeached.

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #93)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:03 AM

94. But we have Trump on TAPE.

ON TAPE !!!! Dont you get it??? It will STICK THIS TIME!!!!

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #94)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:19 AM

97. We have him on tape and so what?

Republican Senate won't convict him, no matter what.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #97)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:24 AM

101. That's not the point.

Witnesses must be called, impeachment must happen. We have the TAPES!!!! Damn the election, we must hold Trump accountable for his LIES!!!!

And, if I have to go back and add /sarcasm to all my posts. You can't see the forest for the trees, the exclamation points should be the give away!!!!

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:30 PM

43. The President and Every Republican stayed mute

or yelled from the rooftops how Covid is a nothing burger. They are to blame.

Stop with blaming the journalists.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:35 PM

47. Maybe because Trump just kept talking... and talking.

It is my understanding that there were something like 18 interviews on tape. In those, Trump incriminated himself on a lot more than just the virus response. Because of that, the book is incredibly damaging in multiple ways.

If Woodward had published in March, Trump would have shut up. As a reporter, Woodward did the right thing by letting him talk ad-infinitum.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:37 PM

50. I love nothing more than a good gotcha on Trump.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think politics comes before human lives and public safety.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #50)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:40 PM

52. Did anything change now that the tape has been released?

Pandemic could very well get worse going into the winter months.
Did the tape change anything that Trump is doing? Yet you are arguing it would have changed things if it was released earlier? Well, we are still in the middle of the freaking pandemic and it might get worse.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:04 PM

62. Things don't happen overnight in politics. Not literally

Trump doesn't act alone. He has circles of enablers, toadies, and water bearers.

And in case you didn't notice from the dozens of Republican officials supporting Joe Biden, Trump's lies and deceptions do have a cumulative effect.

But as I've discovered over the course of this discussion thread, my real complaint is that people who deserved to be warned with this fairly damning evidence didn't get warned about those tapes, because Woodward wanted to sit on the story till the "right moment".

So I respect your right to be cynical about human nature and assume it wouldn't have saved any lives. It's certainly more dramatic with the news coming out 8 weeks away from the election.

I'm at about a lot of things and I don't like Bob Woodward giving Trump's enablers even temporary comfort and shelter. If it had been a couple of months, it wouldn't bother me so much. A reporter needs to get the story right. I just don't think the 6 months (counting from the March "I wanted to play it down quote" is justifiable.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #50)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

76. These are way beyond gotchas and you misunderstand how reporting works.

At the time of the interviews, Woodward didn't know what Trump was going to say in the next interview. So, does he cut him off from admitting all of these things and publish early, or does he let him keep talking? The good reporter lets him talk. You never know what your subject will say next.


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Response to tinrobot (Reply #47)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:35 PM

112. That's Woodward's defense, sure

But by the March quotes, Trump had connected all the dots in his own words. There's nothing really explosive after that. There'd be no loss to this story's impact if it'd come out in early April, after Woodward did his due diligence as a journalist. It would have given us an additional 5-6 months of chipping away at Trump's base... and additional 5-6 months of making Republican governors squirm to justify reopening over the summer, which is when the death toll really started to climb.

What you're using as a justification for Woodward's silence is that it was worth it for him to trade other people's health and lives for his own personal access to the White House. That's not a very strong argument.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:47 PM

58. Damn President Woodward!! Damn that guy...oh wait, nevermind.

Let's yell at the guy interviewing the "leader of the free world" instead of focusing our ire at the actual guy who failed to do anything with all the information at his disposal.

That will help the situation.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:54 PM

60. I don't know if you've lost any friends or loved ones in this pandemic

.

I don't know for a fact that having this information in April or May would have changed the big picture, but I do know the people Trump was misleading deserved to know this as soon as it could have become available.

I don't know if you've lost any friends or loved ones in this pandemic. But I have. A couple through their own a/o a family member's stupidity about the dangers. They didn't need to die, and playing politics and optimal political timing like this is playing with other peoples' lives.

So yeah, if someone gets hurt through their own stupidity and some stranger could have warned them, could have made the case a little stronger, but didn't, I'm going to be pissed at that stranger. They did a shitty thing

The whole reason I'm a Democrat is because I think I am my brother's keeper.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:08 PM

65. You blame the people responsible not someone who could do very little.

Woodward is not pristine, but this focus on "why didn't he?" let's the real responsible parties point the finger at him.

There is going to be a great deal of soul searching after we are out of this danger. We can have our reckoning then.

Whether I have lost anyone to the pandemic or not, I understand loss and anger. I also know that anger and hurt tends to blind people and make them susceptible to misplacing responsibility.

This pandemic did not start in January or February, it started earlier and remember that Trump was bragging about taking out the Pandemic Response Team in 2018. Think about how having people on the ground in Wuhan could have made a difference, then think about Woodward.

I am sorry for your loss. Use your anger and hurt on the right people.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:10 PM

66. This information was available early on.

Do you really think Trump was the only person briefed? Frankly many of us figured out this was very serious just based on public reports coming out of China.
Why blame a reporter for something known to many people, including those in positions of power in US government?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

73. The cdc was telling people not to wear masks for several months

That doesn’t jibe with the info was out there.

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Response to Sewa (Reply #73)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:20 AM

85. We had a severe shortage of PPE.

When we were told not to wear masks, it was not for our benefit, but a way to make us not to purchase whatever PPE was out there.
People are still being told to wear homemade masks and not actual PPE (N95s). Do you think we are being told that because it's actually good for us, or because we still have a shortage of N95 masks?
Considering studies show that N95s work best in both preventing droplets from going out and coming in, the answer is clear to me.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:04 PM

63. +1

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:12 PM

67. We have known more for months and Republicans haven't done anything differently

even now after we know and have huge number of deaths and cases they still aren't doing anything.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #67)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:26 PM

72. Thank YOU!

I can't believe the people who aren't placing the blame square in the laps of Trump and the republicans. They are 100% responsible. Period. They have been all along and they still are.

Have they done one damn thing to make things any better? No. The pandemic is still out of control and they still have no plan except to try to find a way how to do away with Social Security and Medicare and to steal the election. Too many people here focus on the wrong things.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

74. They are still complaining about Pelosi's Salon Appointment

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:21 PM

69. And so did Republicans that knew.

They're the problem.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:21 PM

70. I agree with you

I know of at least one other person who posted this who was also attacked.

I can’t believe these long time DUers are getting so upset over this. I too have questioned Woodward’s actions. It doesn’t mean I think he’s an enemy. It just means I would like to hear from him why he watched 200,000 people die while Trump actively worked against doing anything about the pandemic to stop the deaths.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:13 AM

81. +1, I wouldn't be able to stay quiet ... I'd have to say something sooner

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #81)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:44 PM

104. So would I

If he had spoken up though, he would have had to disclose the tape recording, which would have jeopardized any further tapings for his book. The result would be that we wouldn’t have the usual explosive information which is contained in the book. Woodward’s entire life has been about exposing Presidential wrongdoing and he and Bernstein did the world a huge favor by exposing Nixon. He hasn’t played favorites either.

Perhaps in a historical sense this book may be important in its impact on Trump and the country. But theimpact of exposing Trump based on one tape is probably negligible. Perhaps Woodward sensed this. It could be a reason since so many things that would have ruined any other politician haven’t come anywhere near touching Trump.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:23 PM

71. I knew about the Wuhan virus in february

And in late March/early May we knew Trump had been briefed about the virus back in November. None of this is news to me.

The news is the tape. That’s it. And Woodward is not responsible. Trump is. Stop helping Trump.

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Response to Bluesaph (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:19 AM

82. " ... we all knew ... " Is literally McConnell excuse for Trump.



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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:02 AM

75. ok, so?

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

77. Agree

Certainly it takes no blame away from dump and his enablers to say this although it is not a popular thing to say here currently. Anyone who knew anything should have made it public. I believe others knew from early briefings as well how bad it could be. Lives would have been saved with more info leaking.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #77)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:20 AM

84. +1,I wouldn't have stayed quiet seeing hundreds of thousands of people die

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:18 AM

78. It's the tape.

Others behind the scenes may have known about all the lies and deception at some point and they share the blame for not coming forward. Without a tape, though, their story would have been dismissed by many as "fake news."

Woodward, on the other hand, had Dumbo on tape admitting early on that he knew it was very serious. I don't know how Woodward could sit by for months and watch the daily flood of lies, deception, and dereliction costing tens of thousands of lives and not understand that releasing the incriminating tape could potentially save thousands.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:21 AM

79. The tape is out now. How will is save lives going forward?

How will Trump change? What will Republicans do now?
You really think this changes how Trump handles the virus now or then?
I wish Woodward had sat on it until Oct 12th.
This will blow over too quick.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #79)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:19 AM

83. Exactly. Tape is out. Using the logic some here display,

tape is really going to change things. Oh wait...

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:50 AM

88. You wanted Bob Woodward to tell us

what we already knew? Other than Trump vocalizing the knowledge it changes nothing.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:56 AM

90. oh haven't you gotten the word?

that's a DISTRACTION.....we can't "blame it all on Woodward" - OMFG

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:23 AM

99. Why are you pushing trump bs?

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #99)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:28 PM

111. Sorry, that's weak.

Go home, troll

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:50 PM

105. Who could have done anything about it, if he had released the tape?

Congress had already impeached the MOFO.

Do you think the MOFO would have changed his ways?

IMHO, it's all on Trump, not Woodward.....





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Response to Sogo (Reply #105)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:26 PM

110. Do you really think there'd be no impact from this?

I for one would have loved to read another four months of this sort of story chipping away at Republican morale, enthusiasm, political fundraising, and hypocrisy.

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/12/donald-trumps-fatal-flaw-of-his-many-defects-bob-woodward-may-have-identified-the-worst/

Who could have done anything? The people who weren't wearing masks and social distancing could have. The Republican enablers who were denying the existance or threat of the virus could have figured out they need to at least shut up and keep their paranoia to themselves--especially those who were advising Republican governors across the Sun Belt on how to navigate this crisis.

The Dunning Kruger effect is a thick layer of armor built around Trump's incompetence and veniality. We need all the weapons we can muster. This story is a strong sword. I would like to have had it sooner. Turning people around from their chosen ignorance is a slow process, like turning the Titanic around from its trajectory.

Don't forget that every time a Trumper wakes up, the first thing they do is put on a mask. An earlier release would have saved lives. At the end of the day, Woodward prized his access to Trump over those lives. Of course we can never know the exact number. But seriously, why haven't YOU personally stayed silent about the danger Trump presents to the republic? Why haven't you waited until a more politically dramatic moment to denounce his recklessness and thievery?

I think it's because you do know that an ethical person knows they have an obligation to warn people about the dangers they're in, even if they doubt the potential victims won't take the warning seriously. You owe that to your fellow human beings.

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