I'm a New Yorker and I think this is worse than 9-11

[Danmel]

With no disrespect to those we lost and I knew 2 of them, and without minimizing the shock, the terror and the economic impact, 9-11 was am attack by foreign enemies.
This is a far more lethal attack on the American people by it's own president, who sworn an oath to protect us.
I'm so angry.

[roamer65]

1. Take NY even bluer on November 3rd.

Utterly punish the Repukes.

[onetexan]

2. For sure. We're being attacked from within - domestic enemies starting with the Con @the top

[Nevilledog]

3. But hey...trump said today at the WH shitshow things are going well with the Taliban.

The day before 9/11, no less.

Link to tweet

[smirkymonkey]

20. Oh, and don't forget how he said he had the tallest building left in lower

Manhattan afterward. He was proud of that.

He didn't care about all the people who had perished, he only cared about the fact that he had the biggest dick left in the Financial District. I can't even say what I wish his fate to be.

What a sick motherfucker. How can anyone possibly stand by this disgusting person?

[Nevilledog]

22. But he lost tens of thousands of best friends and was a first responder.

The media won't tell you that.






Cuz they're all fucking lies!

[smirkymonkey]

27. Oh yes, he rushed right down there and pulled thousands of people out

of buildings because he was so brave!

What kind of repulsive person uses a tragedy like that to make himself look good? How low can you get? The more I think about what he has been like over the years, the angrier I get, and there is no end to it. He is the most vile person in the world.

I will never forgive anybody for giving this repulsive excuse of a human being a pass. And his children are carbon copies of him. I can't even say what I wish their fate to be.

[Cha]

31. Sociopath says he's getting along very well with terrorists responsible for 9/11

Link to tweet

[Skittles]

4. CORRECT

and fuck EVERYONE who supports him, excuses him, doesn't come clean about him, etc.....NO FUCKING HONOR

[SamKnause]

5. I agree with you.

It seems people were mourning the buildings.

Maybe if a building collapsed with every 1000 deaths people would give a shit.

Almost 200,000 people are dead !!!

Millions without jobs !!!

10's of thousands will have permanent disabilities !!!

People are scraping for food to feed their families !!!

Millions will be homeless !!!

Trump, his administration, and his cult don't give a damn about any of those things !!!

[jrthin]

6. I too a a New Yorker and I totally agree with you.

[RKP5637]

7. The founders probably never considered something as horrific as Trump coming along

and being president. The country was really not designed to deal with such a horrific president and senate tipping the scales into destruction of the US and alignment with a foreign power to bring the US down. This is horrible and could move the US into a total dystopia with a foreign power in control with a dangerous and most evil president, as we have now. And the magnitude of the dead, now, so far greater than 9-11.

[yellowdogintexas]

17. I doubt the founders in their wildest dreams could imagine this

the worst and most corrupted president in our history combined with a corrupt and selfish US Senate . If we had not taken back the House Majority in 2018 there is no telling what would have happened.

[RKP5637]

35. I hope this has been a wake up call to millions that they can't be just aloof about paying

attention and voting. Far too many IMO think the US will just go along as is. That, is how countries fail. And there have been lots of those in history.

[RobinA]

38. I Think What They

didn't anticipate was the Senate AND the President to be so terrible. Checks and balances presupposes there not be collusion between two of the checks. I will say that the Supreme Court, although not always doing what I would like, has done its job in this mess to a large degree. It's really the only check we have right now, (ok, the House has done its part) and we'd be a lot worse off if they had decided to join the bandwagon.

[RKP5637]

42. Yep, exactly! They never dreamed there would be so many in support of collusion. Nor did

they likely expect there would be so many cowards and cheats as with republicans, afraid to stand up for the US, and also afraid of losing their gravy train ... plus afraid of someone like Trump. It is pathetic what the GOP has turned into!!!

[radius777]

52. The founders believed decency would override partisanship,

and were obviously wrong on this count. The GOP has gone along fully with a clearcut criminal and traitor for partisan gain.

[llmart]

8. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

The sheer number of deaths is staggering - almost 200,000. The number of closed businesses and unemployed people is worse.

This is what you get when the GOP is in charge.

[Rebl2]

9. Putin's GOP

[smirkymonkey]

10. I lived in NY on 9/11 and watched the planes hit and the towers go down from where I was

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working in Greenwich Village (right near St. Vincent's Hospital), so I wasn't really close, but close enough to be traumatized by it. Especially the walk home uptown, which was like a total zombie march in complete silence with the people from downtown totally covered in ash and debris. It was shocking and it shook up our world for a long time.

However, eventually, we realized that things would get back to normal and that our city would heal again and there would be peace and we would come back stronger. A lot of us were terrified for a long time afterward by every noise, and subways stopping in the middle of stations, every sudden move or unusual occurrence, but eventually we adjusted and we healed.

It doesn't feel that way this time. It has been almost four years of an assault on our psyches, our democratic institutions, our social contract, our sense of decency. Everything that we have held dear has been shredded by this foul, disgusting man and those who enable and support him and they show no signs of letting up.

The thing that is even more frightening is that they seem to delight in sadistically causing us pain and misery and would even endure pain themselves if they could be sure that we would feel it too.

If we can't stop them in November, there will be no end to the cruelty they will impose upon us. The horror of 9/11 was finite, there is no telling when this will ever end unless we put a stop to them first.

[hjh3rd]

14. Damn you!!!!!

You typed my basically same message faster than me and posted it first👏👏👏

[smirkymonkey]

15. No, please! Tell your own story! It is yours and I am sure it is unique.

None of us have seen it exactly the same way. We have all had different experiences. Honestly, I would love to hear what you have to say.

So many of us have be silent about what we went through, so it would help me if you would share your experience if you are so inclined. But don't feel pressured if it is too painful for you. I would understand.

[hjh3rd]

19. I was just kidding with you...

I just posted my story looked two posts up and was like, I need to learn to type faster lol

[smirkymonkey]

21. Damn! I was looking forward to a really good story.

Where is your story? Can you post the thread or do I have to go searching for it?

[hjh3rd]

24. It is two down from your original post on the main thread (clunkylink below)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14057053

[alittlelark]

23. Your 'just kidding' really has no humor.

None.

[hjh3rd]

25. Maybe you should

Try scrolling down before posting. And maybe read the post you are commenting on because it clearly states I had already posted my story when I saw the other post.

[babylonsister]

28. Wow.

I was out of the country, watched from way far away. It was terrifying watching on tv, I can't even imagine.

[smirkymonkey]

33. I was one of the lucky ones, babylonsister. I wasn't down at GroundZero.

I was close enough to watch it go down, but not close enought to experience the horror firsthand. I know people who were, however. They will never really be the same again. The entire city was traumatized, but none like those who were there on the scene who actually survived it.

The sick thing is, I actually know people who took advantage of the benefits available to ground zero survivors to help themselves to "free money" to get things that they really didn't need (just wanted) because they were shameless opportunists. There were a lot of people whom I lost respect for back then.

[RobinA]

40. Also, 9/11

was external. A foreign enemy. Much easier to rally and fight. The Trump Catastrophe is internal. We can't and wouldn't want to send SEAL teams out to neutralize our family members and neighbors.

[MyMission]

41. Your story is my story too!!

I too was working in the village, at NYU, and I stood on W 4th and Mercer, a straight line view to the towers, and watched them fall. I too remember the march of survivors covered in debris, the ash and particles in the air and sky for days, the sirens. It was a Tuesday.

I had come up from the subway at Lafayette, just after the first plane hit. 3 people were standing there, looking up; I looked up and saw smoke streaming from one tower, asked "what happened?" and was told a plane just plowed into the tower.

I walked across Broadway to Mercer, and the street was lined with people staring at the smoke pouring out. Then I saw a plane approaching from the right, and as it flew behind the tower there was a huge explosion. I assumed the explosion had come from the tower that was smoking,
And I said a prayer that the plane hadn't been hit by the exploding building. Then we realized a second plane had hit the 2nd tower.

I walked into student services, where I worked. I was babbling a bit, saying "I saw it" but otherwise not able to form coherent sentences for several minutes. We had 2 large TV's mounted on either side of the the counter, and I saw a replay of what I had just witnessed in person. My shift (sitting at the counter) was from 9-1. It was not busy, so I and others kept taking smoke breaks to walk to the corner and stare down Mercer street, and I was watching when the first tower fell, which was the 2nd one hit. At that point the giant hole in the tower was visible, and I wondered how they would repair it, since it was still standing.

Then I turned away to walk back to my office, and heard a collective gasp from the many people on that corner, and knew the second tower had fallen. It was so eerie. I went in to my office and watched it on TV.

Meanwhile, many co-workers were concerned about getting home, with suspended subway service, and many left to start their walks home. At 1 pm I took my lunch, went to a friend's apartment nearby, where survivors were stopping by to get water and comfort. When I got back to my office at 2 pm only 3 people (out of dozens) remained. I lived in Brooklyn, but had friends and family downtown and thought I might stay there. Then the subway started running and I took the train to Brooklyn

I got off before my stop, planning to stop at my favorite library, which is a comfort spot for me, but it was closed. I walked to Coney island Ave to catch bus, and remember seeing particles floating, or really permeating the sky, shining and glimmering, heading towards the ocean. It was eerie but also felt like I was watching their souls in the sky. That avenue is a straight line view to the city, and I also saw the pillars of smoke rising from the spot the towers had been.

I was born and raised in NYC and remember as a child going to the markets in lower Manhattan with my parents, every month, and the markets moving because they were building the tallest buildings in the world on that spot. I watched them go up and watched them go down.

I had PTSD for quite some time. Planes were not flying for a while, but when they started I'd get goosebumps whenever I saw one flying from right to left. Sirens would also bring on assorted reactions.

I'd been thinking of leaving NYC to move closer to my widowed mom, who lived in NC, and did move here in 2003.

19 years later. I still remember it vividly. I always will.

The traitor in the white house has hurt US in a different way. An attack from within. I pray we will repel and remove that threat, which is 45 and his minions.

I've said enough here.
Blessed be!

[smirkymonkey]

43. Thank you for sharing your story!

It's funny, because after all we went through, so many of us. Nobody ever spoke about it. We never discussed what we felt or observed that day. Ever. I have never spoke of it or written about it until now. Maybe a few little vignettes here an there, but nothing substantial.

It helps to hear the stories of other people who have experienced the same trauma. Even though neither of us were at ground zero, it was still traumatic for all of us who were that close to it in the city that day. Just the horror of what had happened was unspeakable and for months I was so terrified that something else would happen no matter where I was.

There were cops everywhere with machine guns and everyone had this haunted look in their eyes. I was actually laid off a month later and I was happy about it because I didn't have to take the subway downtown anymore. All my friends were laid off too so we would go for walks in the park and hang out at each other's apartments. We needed that time just to escape from the rat-race and compose ourselves. I thought it was awful at the time, but now I realize what a gift it was.

I hope you are feeling better MyMission and welcome to DU!

[MyMission]

44. I also remember the "missing" posters, which were everywhere

But I don't recall law enforcement with guns. I do remember seeing cops, but they seemed as shell shocked as the rest of us.

Spent a lot of time at Union square Park, as 14th Street was a dividing line. There were memorial displays with photos, (different than missing posters), candles, flowers.

The shock and anger of the first few days was replaced with a connection, a caring among New Yorkers, a desire for healing and not for revenge.

I stayed home Wednesday and Thursday, but was ordered back to work on Friday, deemed essential, allowed to travel below 14th.

I did write and speak of it, early on and at each anniversary. It does help. Glad you're able to discuss it now.

Another bad memory...Last year, on 9/11, the republicons in the NC house called an unexpected morning vote to veto governor Cooper, while most Dems were taking part in memorials and not present for the vote.
That was a travesty, a foreshadowing, a prime example of what the repugs are capable of.
The Dems in the state Senate have had to be on guard since then, making sure all are present so they don't pull a similar stunt to approve the veto.

I miss the northeast, not NYC specifically. Being in the south is difficult. I'm in a 60/40 GOP city/county, purple state in a red region. Meadows was the rep here, for them. And I keep hearing about visits to the area by Jr, pence and don. They're courting votes here and it's also a payback to Meadows loyal constituents. He left but is bringing the bigwigs here. We were ungerrymandered for this election so I have hope we can elect a Democrat, Moe Davis.

Gov. Cuomo has done an outstanding job managing Covid and NY State. Cooper's done well, but hampered by the state legislature and the region we're in.

I always have a challenging day on 9/11. Glad we were able to share some memories and thoughts about it, and other stuff. DU is a great community! Thanks for the welcome.

☮️

[smirkymonkey]

45. Good to hear from you!

I'm glad you are here and I think you will make a great contribution to our community!

[electric_blue68]

50. Oh, yeah the posters...

there were lots of them at the 42nd Times Square subway station the mezzanine interchange between the N,R,Q trains and the 1,2 & 3 lines

Union Square! So poignant and cathartic with all the home made posters, plus the candles, and flowers. I spent a lot of time there myself.

Thanks, hadn't remembered that today.

[kacekwl]

11. What would you rather have happen,

Have a bucket of ice cold water dumped over your head or a constant drip on your head for 4 years.

[StClone]

12. "It's own president"

Trump is not acting as our President. He is acting out some self-absorbed inner-reality bit and we The People are sort of non-existent in his mental show.

[hjh3rd]

13. I lived 10 blocks north of the towers and this

Is definitely so much worse. At least with 9/11, the event happened and was over and people could focus on rebuilding. Our dog run on Warren didn’t open for a long time, but when it did, it was a small step towards being back. It took a long time but downtown came back and was even stronger. With this, there is no end that I can see. Nothing ever seems to get better. Most things are still shut down and even things that have reopened will not get people to go back to them. Who wants to go to a gym or a small restaurant to eat indoors? Maybe I am wrong but I don’t see it getting any better for the next couple of years unless something drastic happens and that will only happen if the orange one is voted out. My vote doesn’t really count in New York but I can phone/text bank in other states and that does help some. People really need to encourage everyone they know to make sure they are registered and make a plan to make sure their votes is counted this fall.

[smirkymonkey]

30. I'm so sorry for your experience.

Honestly, I know how hard that was. But as you say, there was a beginning and an end, so it was something we could eventually cope with.

This, on the other hand shows all the hallmarks of being a never-ending nightmare, and that is what makes it so hard to cope with. If we could only see some relief in sight, it would be so much more dealable. The fact that we all have no idea what is going to happen is extremely stressful for all of us.

Hang in there. You are not alone. Thee are millions of us who feel as you do. Who are going to vote this bastard out of office if we have to crawl over broken glass to do so. I honestly believe that there are so many more of us who hate him than who worship him. We may not be as violent or as vocal, but we will get out there to vote!

Take care of yourself, make sure that you are registered, and vote like your life depends upon it, because it does. Best of luck to you!

[Illumination]

16. SUE HIS A**!

:

[Meowmee]

18. Agree in NY here too

911 was so traumatic and tragic but this is a gazillion x worse imo with no end in sight. After 911 things were not the same for sure but I continued teaching and life went on pretty much as it had with the exception of no access to the city etc.- we are on LI. My father was overseas at the time, it took a while to be able to get into contact with him, the phone lines were overwhelmed and for him to get home. He said some people where he was working in Paris were laughing about it.

[speaknow]

26. What we have is

A living walking 9/11 that is killing
people every hour every day!!!!!!!

[Snackshack]

29. Agreed

9/11 was a horrible tragedy. It was an attack by a hostile enemy that cost 1000’s of American lives. After it happened we all set aside our differences got behind our President and country and came together as a nation to support, heal and fight back.

But this is much worse.

This was a known killer that has been allowed to attack Americans and continues to be allowed to attack us. It has cost us hundreds of 1000’s of American lives and this president instead of bringing us together has actively sowed division and hate...successfully.

[BGBD]

32. Covid 19

is worse than 9/11. There is just no other way to slice it.

[electric_blue68]

34. NYC'r here - it was horrific, and this is worse! :'''''(

[Quemado]

36. The Trump term of office is an ongoing 911 situation.

Part of the country just doesn't realize it.

[SoonerPride]

37. It is an order of magnitude worse.

You are 100% correct.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. In Terms Of Death...

...it's 1.8 orders of magnitude worse.
Obviously, we completely agree on how bad this is.
Add to that, it is not close to over, the issues have been caused internally, and EVERYONE is at risk.
That makes the 1.8 orders of magnitude seem small!

[tgenerico]

39. The Republicans are into something like Holocaust denial on this one.

And it's worse because it's current situation still going on.

[Nitram]

47. It is worse than 9/11 by far, and it is far more clearly due to a failure by the Republican

administration in office at the time.

[Blue Owl]

48. K&R

[Jetheels]

49. New Yorker here as well, totally agree with you,

the current attack from within the country, Putin aside, is much more sinister, stressful, and a daily ongoing tragedy. The GOP platform should be “No Lives Matter”.

[hamsterjill]

51. Texas here and agreeing with you.

First, my experience was only watching on television as the day’s events unfolded on 09/11. It felt like it was a bad movie; not real life. I worked with a man whose daughter was at the Pentagon and it was several agonizing hours before he heard from her and knew she was alive. I remember watching the cameras peeled on the hospital emergency room entrance. Waiting for victims to be brought in. But there were none coming and the staff was standing outside in full PPE.

It was a horrible scar on most of our lives - even from afar. I can imagine the effect on those of you in the midst.

The Trump stuff, however, is the continued incredulity and absurdity. He keeps getting away with everything and he is emboldened when he does and tries for something even bigger. It’s frightening and constant.

If he gets a second term, it’s hopeless. And I’m not being negative. I’m being very damn real.