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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes Biden have an Hispanic problem?
I am asking because election analyst like 538 Cook Political Report seems to say Trump might expand his non-white voter thershold from 2016. This could matter in states like Florida where Trump can eek out a win there
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Karadeniz
(22,510 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Its about abortion, its about religion, its about residual hang ups from the Kennedy policy on Cuba, its about I got mine so fuck you. Its about a lot of things. Cook is good and there is some polling that backs it up, but at this point you can lead a horse to water...I dont know what you can say to people who have been singled out by the current administration for literal state sponsored discrimination and yet says Mmm I need more of that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If a candidate talked shit about the group I belonged to I wouldn't vote for him or her for all the blandishments in the world.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)but no one is worse or even equally as bad as Trump. No one. I think Hispanics vote for their own self interest just like everyone else. Right now, everyones self interests are better off with Biden.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)little community of 15k, 71% Hispanic population in Hereford Tx voting for Trump. I have a friend there. As a matter of fact, she was steaming last night because someone had stolen her Biden signs. We have had conversations about the heavy Trumper community it is and it truly blows my mind.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,185 posts).
This is especially true if the candidate is a woman.
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Next.
doc03
(35,325 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)but Trump is in trouble with just about everybody but a few select "base" groups.
doc03
(35,325 posts)stay on the other side of the wall? Like the union workers that got a good middle class life through collective bargaining. Many now have turned Republican since they can join the country club and golf with management.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)Trump is neither though- and certainly not very moral
But concern noted, newbie...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The assumption that we are naifs that can't see what's going on.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)what do they possibly think theyre going to get out of it? Really? After 20 years of trying and utterly failing why keep ramming their heads into the wall?
Is it for the 2 seconds they get our attention? Maybe thats it!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)unless being here for a minute is their glorious goal! But then no one can accuse them of learning from their mistakes.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)If you want to last here you cant get your ass handed to you and just say thank you!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Id love to read about that.
It doesnt seem to me to be that hard to join DU.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I find that bizarre as hell.
I mean, to what end?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I haven't been there in years. They had a whole forum devoted to commenting on our threads.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)In a creepy way.
Though perhaps that makes sense when I consider some new folks who come in and rack up thousands of posts in a very short time...hmm.
maxrandb
(15,322 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Why are people even taking a bite a this shit?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)phylny
(8,379 posts)¡Creo que Biden/Harris ganarán y trabajaremos para que esto suceda!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The Klansman is doing marginally better among POC than he did last time. I don't get it. If a candidate demonized my ethnic group he or she would never get my vote.
And whatever improvement the Klansman makes with POC will be dwarfed by his decline in support from college -educated whites, suburban dwellers, and seniors.
Polybius
(15,390 posts)Even in 2016, he did better among African Americans than Romney, McCain, Bush, or Dole did. Those candidates were all far less racist than Trump is.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Those are details. I don't get it. He has dissed Blacks. He has dissed Hispanics. He has dissed Asians. If someone dissed my ethnic group he or she would never get my vote. Hell. I wouldn't vote for a clown who dissed someone else's ethnic group
*I don't think GWB, McCain or Rmoney were racist.
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MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)As evidenced here.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)mahina
(17,646 posts)?
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)but there's probably not much we can do about it.
25-30 percent of Hispanics are solid conservative.
They are anti abortion, they are anti socialism or even the whiff of socialism, the identify pretty clearly with the Republican Party.
We can chip away at them, but it's never going to be the case that we get Hispanic support to reach say AA support.
And in Florida, it's an even higher percentage because of the Cuban population and some other populations.
Biden probably could be doing a better job, and I'm sure his team is looking at it.
We need a little peel off there, and to continue his advantage with the 65+ crowd all the way to election and we win Florida with increased AA turnout. That's the path, but FL is always close. It's like they purposefully let in one new Red and one new Blue voter at a time.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Not only do you have religion and social conservatism in various quarters, but you have people coming from Central and South America who do not like even a whiff of the word socialism. Ask a Venezuelan ex-pat about their experience with socialism. They'll have things to say.
But there's always this kind of what I think of as white patronization. The idea that, "Well, Trump's border and immigration policies are bad for Latinos, so they should be against him." And I always want to reply, "Have you ever . . . met actual Latinos?" I have a lot of Mexican friends and family. A lot. They all came legally, worked hard, became citizens, and moved up economically. You know who they don't like?
Illegal immigrants. Their attitude is, "I worked hard and played by the rules. I waited my turn, paid my dues, and achieved my goal. Those people can, too."
But white patronization has this idea that there's some kind of racial loyalty, that most Latinos will automatically back all Latinos on policies and politics. It's just not so. So when people say things like, "What's wrong with Latinos?!" that is some white racial condescension. Instead of understanding how various Latinx communities believe and operate, there's a kind of, "You're brown, they're brown, why don't you have the same beliefs?!" And there's shock and confusion among white people that they do not.
Maybe we shouldn't be peddling in that so much. It's more than a little racist.
We understand this about different Asian populations (man, East and Southeast Asian populations are a massive mixed bag of politics). Why is it so hard to believe about Latinos?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Having lived in Miami which is predominately Cuban, having lived in Orlando which has a large Puerto Rican and Dominican population, and now living in Los Angeles which has a large Mexican population I can attest they are not a monolith. I was also the only non-Hispanic in a Hispanic study group in college.
Trump hasn't just attacked illegal immigration. He has attacked and demonized Mexicans and said Hispanics and African Americans are too stupid to vote for him. He also represents a white nationalist ideology that doesn't include them. I don't see how they can let that slip by.
Trump has on several occasions suggested Jews are preternaturally good with money. This Jew can't see letting that slip by as if he was talking about other Jews and not me.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Same mistake Rachel Maddow made in 2018. Tons of voters don't care about issues. They have a general impression and prize it.
Trump exudes strength and fascination to some Hispanics who really shouldn't be considering him at all
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)My response was highlighting the fact that Trump has demonized Hispanics and my puzzlement about their support for him has nothing to do with thinking of Hispanics as a monolith.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)But people will overlook that if they think their other interests are being served. Look at Evangelicals. Of course he's completely spat in the face of their endless moralism. But he's also filling the judiciary with people they like. That is a large part of why Republicans have been content to let him go wild. He's serving their long-term goals even if he's an immediate disaster.
When Trump started insulting Mexico, I thought for sure my Mexican friends and family would have a lot to say. They didn't. What I got was, "Well, he's not entirely wrong . . ." Mexico is a giant mess, and there isn't a lot of loyalty there where you might think there would be a little. Corruption and the cartels are ruining the country, and they hear about it from their friends and family who still live there.
It's similar with, say, Filipinos and Duterte. You can trash the guy and country's politics all day, and a lot of Filipino-Americans won't take umbrage.
That's why I say it's white condescension. But maybe a nearer term would be ignorance. A lot of us don't really know the dynamics of different countries or the relationship ex-pats may have with it. Why would we? It's rarely to never on our news, and a lot of white people are very insulated from minority communities. They may have minority friends, but that doesn't mean they have a deep understanding of the thought processes, emotions, and politics at work.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)I follow the US poet laureate Juan Felipe Herrera and he asked on Facebook a long time ago regarding some article on how Latinos support Trump, and he asked if this was true.
I have searched for a Latino type discussion forum and I don't couldn't find one. I don't see this discussed on Twitter the same way as you can see many Black pundits talk about Trump.
Also, I am not sure how, but I was under the impression that Sanders had more Hispanic supporters than Biden did.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)It really shouldn't be a 70-30 block, given all the diversity. But that's where it's been.
Logically the percentage had to revert toward prior norms. That is happening now, jumpstarted by Hispanic loyalty to a known quantity, the incumbent. The mistake was believing in 2018 that the children in cages issue would shove Hispanics further away from Trump. I remember Rachel Maddow emphasizing that repeatedly. She shouldn't be commenting on anything regarding political math because she has no idea what the hell she is talking about.
There were articles all over the place in early to late 2019, indicating the Trump and the GOP were prioritizing Hispanics toward 2020 and making inroads. I think Democratic campaigns slept on this possibility, just like the midwestern white working class shift was rumbled all over the place following the 2014 midterm but Hillary's camp didn't pay enough attention.
Here are some of those 2019 articles. I always save bookmarks like this, especially when they are related to a blatantly obvious situational scenario:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/surge-in-hispanic-voters-could-have-major-impact-on-trump-re-election-bid.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/26/latinos-for-trump-supporters-hispanics-mexicans-attacks-immigrants-column/4224954002/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-poll-latinos-reject-trump-democrats-have-work-do-n1039361
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Going forward, Democrats will never maintain 70-30 as dependable so given the lesser share of the Hispanic vote it is imperative to register and involve as many as possible, so the net vote advantage won't suffer as much, even if the percentage slips 5-10 points
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)- How the GOP Built a Loyal Hispanic Base. For decades, Republicans used appointments and policies to win a reliable third of the Latino vote.- Washington Monthly, July 2020.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2020/how-the-gop-built-a-loyal-hispanic-base/
..Cadava introduces us to the political evolution of various Hispanic subgroups, beginning with the Eisenhower years. The book gets off to a bit of a dizzying start (there are a lot of constituencies to get to know, and each of them is quite different), but it hits its stride as it takes the reader through time. After Eisenhower, one of Cadavas first major subjects is Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, who in some ways symbolizes the GOPs tortured political relationship with Latino constituents. Like many future Republican candidates, Goldwaters staunch anticommunism attracted some Hispanics, but his opposition to civil rights put others off. The views Goldwater expressed about civil rights contributed to his extremist reputation and to the suspicion of many Hispanics that he just didnt like them, Cadava writes.
In a sense, then, its paradoxical that the Republican Partys abandonment of the civil rights mantlefirmly seized in the 1960s by Democratshelped spur its aggressive courting of Hispanics. But after the Civil Rights Act was passed, the party had to search for ways to make up the support it knew it would no longer receive from African Americans. To help do so, Republican operatives turned to leaders in the Mexican American and Cuban American communities who had a deep allegiance to values like religion, free enterprise, and anti-communism. These leaders, not willing to abandon civil rights altogether, hoped that they could move the GOP toward adopting greater respect for immigrants and greater educational opportunity. They became some of the partys earliest Hispanic boosters.
The Nixon administration worked with these leaders to nurture a strong anti-communist base (remember those Cuban American Watergate burglars?) and devise new patronage-focused strategies to engage Latino leaders. Nixon concentrated on delivering federal programs to support minority entrepreneurs, including Hispanics. He also oversaw important milestones. Notably, Nixon became the first president to appoint a Latina as treasurer of the United States.
His selection of Romana Acosta Bañuelos was understood at the time to be a strong signal of Nixons respect for the community and his inclusionary intent. She also provided an irresistible PR opportunity; he could point to the dollars people carried in their pockets, which for the first time had a Latinas signature on them. It is worth noting that this strategy has been followed by nearly every president since Nixon to diminishing effect; of the past 11 U.S. treasurers, seven have been Latinas...
Stinky The Clown
(67,792 posts)Its spelled eke.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Some Hispanics have a problem with him. That's because many of them identify primarily as white, are conservative and tend to align themselves with Republicans.
The fact that Biden doesn't appeal to a segment of conservative white Republicans is not a "Hispanic problem." In fact, it's not a problem at all.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The Keys are pretty blue, but mainland south Florida, which is heavily Cuban, is very Republican.
spanone
(135,827 posts)former9thward
(31,986 posts)(Chicago is divided into 50 wards) I have not seen a single Biden sign or any sign of Biden political activity. Does that mean anything? Maybe, Maybe not. Who knows?