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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHistorian Allan Lichtman, known for accurately predicting presidential elections, weighs in on trump
Link to tweet
Historian Allan Lichtman, known for accurately predicting presidential elections, said that Trump's downplaying of the coronavirus pandemic will be remembered as "the greatest dereliction of duty" in presidential history.
8:43 PM · Sep 11, 2020
NoMoreRepugs
(9,423 posts)AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)Means NOTHING.
VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)live love laugh
(13,104 posts)czarjak
(11,274 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,385 posts)StClone
(11,683 posts)Orange Kool-Aide Cult.
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
If you want to read on the psychology of why people blindly follow cult leaders it's usually Authoritarianism (followers) at work (though other -isms can be in play!).
Major work on the topic by Associate Prof, Bob Altemeyer https://theauthoritarians.org/Downloads/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
There are updates to this work around.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)They are all into the here and now. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME. Country, nope, ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)but it should be tied with all of his other shit
Illumination
(2,458 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)He's always right. Everyone was right in 2016, including Lichtman. But I think it's like the stock market, or a game of chance.
"The trend is your friend, until the end."
Escurumbele
(3,392 posts)That is the history I want to remember..."Remember when justice was made and criminal trump and his enablers were given 100 years of life in prison for the murder of 200,000 Americans?" That is what I want to remember.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)That's his forte, correct? His prognostication about presidential history aside, has he come out with his prediction for the election? He'd better say Joe Biden, or I'm getting the hell out of the United States. I'm too old for another four years of Trump.
tblue37
(65,341 posts)Cha
(297,207 posts)Course not even one saw it.. I hope he's right.
I don't count anything until it's done.
Cha
(297,207 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I did miss it, but I usually don't pay attention to people who claim to be 100% correct 100% of the time. One Donald Trump is enough.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)I am depressed about the whole thing. In Minnesota we have turncoat DEMs - Rural GOVs supporting Trump. Makes me sick.
I don't have faith that we will get accurate vote counting. I remember Florida. We could have had Al Gore.
DECENT DEMS that will do what is right for the country instead of trying to manage their image at the cost of thousands of lives don't win. They SHOULD, but there is so much rigging of votes and suppression that I am very sick at heart.
I HOPE ALLAN LICHTMAN is correct. This country can't TAKE 4 more years of this narcissistic creep.
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radius777
(3,635 posts)"The secret is keeping your eye on the big picture of incumbent strength and performance. And don't pay any attention to the polls, the pundits, the day-to-day ups and downs of the campaign. And that's what the keys gauge. The big picture," Lichtman explained.
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When asked if the key model could account for something as cataclysmic as the Covid-19 pandemic, Lichtman remained confident. "Look, retrospectively and prospectively, the keys go all the way back to 1860. They are what we call a robust system. So, I don't fiddle with them. They've lasted through enormous changes in our politics, in our economy, in our democracy. Don't fiddle with the keys," he explained.
Although Lichtman has been predicting elections since 1982, he explained that he still feels the same amount of pressure every four years. "I'm 73 years old," he said to CNN. "But every time, without fail, I get butterflies."
Note that Lichtman was one of the very few who predicted Trump's win in 2016, and also his impeachment.
Cha
(297,207 posts)uponit7771
(90,336 posts)RealityChik
(382 posts)While I am impressed by Lichtman's track record, and remain hopeful he's right, why are the international betting website still going for Trump as odds-on winner? There are many such websites to Google for this, but I chose this one because it factors in Trump's most recent blunders:
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/world/america/060920/biden-may-be-leading-the-polls-but-trump-is-tops-for-gamblers.html
Predictions of a Biden win won't change my skepticism. Maybe I'm still shell-shocked by the 2016 predictions of an easy Clinton win, but 2020 is unlike any election before it. During our entire history, we've never had a presidential incumbent so desperate to escape a well-deserved, lifelong prison sentence for his criminal behavior that his only remaining option is to be re-elected at all cost, no matter the criminal behavior needed to make it happen.
Experts and statisticians can crunch the probability data from now until doomsday, but if the result is decided by humans, as in 2000, no one can possibly predict the 2020 outcome. The only difference between now and 2000 is that the Biden side of the equation will absolutely not allow Biden to concede, even if he might want to. This time there's no backing down from the fight. Rather, it will be a concerted effort to challenge a Trump inconceivable win by putting voter boots on the ground in the streets all over America, to pressure Congress and the courts to do the right thing, as dictated by our Constitution, even if it means an untested but legal fight as dirty as the Repubs to get it done.
I still believe it's more important to flip the Senate and fortify the House because even if Trump manages to steal the election, impeachment and removal can be initiated on Inauguration Day, or even before. The new Congress reconvenes on January 4, 2021.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Totally different approach. Their numbers are used to make sure the house never loses, not to portray an accurate estimation of the winner.
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)Hes also increased his advantage on Predictit.
catbyte
(34,384 posts)but vile MAGAts? The awful stuff gets reported a lot more. Plus, gambling sites want to make money.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Nate Silver has Biden as a 3:1 favorite but the markets have Biden favored at a slight coin flip (53 to 43). Markets could be factoring the '2016 shell shock factor' (that the polls could be wrong again) as well as Trump going to any lengths to win (voter suppression, kneecapping the post office, etc).
Note that the betting markets are not necessarily predictive in big races, as they were completely wrong in 2012(had Romney over Obama), in 2016 (Hilary was up to 87cents the day before election day), and this year in the primaries (thought Bloomberg would win, thought Bernie would win), and for the VP pick (Susan Rice was way ahead on the day Harris was chosen).
RW white guys with disposable income heavily dominate betting action, thus their viewpoint is reflected. Regardless of what some say, it's impossible to separate worldview from betting especially in a presidential race in such a polarized environment. The Russians and others could also be pumping money into the market to make things look better for Trump.
Even Nate Silver has said betting markets are not predictive.
Link to tweet
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/oct-23-the-virtues-and-vices-of-election-prediction-markets/
Markets of any kind are potentially subject to herding behavior. Even if the rogue trader does not have superior information about the campaign, other traders might alter their behavior assuming that he did.
Or traders could be betting on speculation buying up Mr. Romneys stock, for example, in the hope of selling it at a higher price later, even if that price diverged from their estimate of the fundamentals in the race.
Coming up with a probabilistic assessment of the chances of each candidates winning the Electoral College is intrinsically a very challenging task. Gut-feel probability estimates are not likely to be much good. It is the sort of problem, in my view, that benefits from a more rigorous approach, i.e. building a model. Yet, models are constrained by the lack of historical data and the infrequency of presidential elections only since about 1980 has state-by-state polling of the election been common.
In these circumstances, traders may be looking for an anchor to calibrate their assessment of the probabilities. It is certainly possible that FiveThirtyEight itself serves something of this function.
The FiveThirtyEight model is sometimes perceived as being incredibly bold for having Mr. Obama as a two-to-one favorite despite what is certainly very close polling, but the few other models that seek to frame the election in probabilistic terms tend to give Mr. Obama an even clearer advantage, putting his odds at between 80 and 95 percent.
Cha
(297,207 posts)mass 2nd degree homicide on TAPE.