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Fri Sep 11, 2020, 09:26 PM

God damn you all to hell till the end of time

God damn you all to hell till the end of time For Bashing Hillary Clinton

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Reply God damn you all to hell till the end of time (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 OP
Karadeniz Sep 2020 #1
Skittles Sep 2020 #7
Karadeniz Sep 2020 #2
samnsara Sep 2020 #3
Chili Sep 2020 #4
FM123 Sep 2020 #5
Chili Sep 2020 #9
FM123 Sep 2020 #13
Chili Sep 2020 #14
Skittles Sep 2020 #6
Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #8
Chili Sep 2020 #11
Skittles Sep 2020 #15
Hekate Sep 2020 #10
TomSlick Sep 2020 #12
Dr. Strange Sep 2020 #16
betsuni Sep 2020 #17
Dr. Strange Sep 2020 #19
betsuni Sep 2020 #20
SharonClark Sep 2020 #18
cwydro Sep 2020 #22
betsuni Sep 2020 #21

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 09:54 PM

1. I think I see your issue, Hillary lost and now we're stuck with the worst president in our history,

According to presidential rankings. But the problem isn't the Bernie supporters or Warren's or anyone...except Comey, an opposition so unscrupulous that it worked with Russia to win and was then protected by that party who'd also devolved into a party so unscrupulous that it ignored the US Constitution. And we must recognize Fox and the other faux news networks that groomed their viewers to accept and adore a person with not one redeeming trait.

We supported Hillary once she had the nomination. She won the election. She lost the electors, a system that hasn't kept up with the spirit of elected officials. We changed the election laws so women could vote, all races vote, senators be voted on...but the electoral college still allows the unfairness that in other areas has been afdressed.

Now we need to make the electoral college our next major objective.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:43 PM

7. there were a lot of factors

the most senseless ones are those that bother me the most

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

3. i am still angry

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:17 PM

4. not me - I voted for her

... and still like her.

Coincidentally, I was just reading the tweet by Kurt Eichenwald (I think it was that thread); a repub replied to him, I hated Hillary, regret not voting at all. Why? What was all the hate about? Yes, she pissed me off with that subtle dog whistle in SC against Obama. Forgave her, known of her for too long to believe she was doing anything but politicking in that instance, though stupidly. Yes, she's made irritating comments over the 28 years she's been out there. So? She probably smacked Bill around and beat the hell out of him for Monica - but she stuck with him, and stuck with it, to both of their benefits. But why the deep hatred? - on both sides? Can someone explain?

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Response to Chili (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:31 PM

5. Much of the deep hatred was manufactured by the media.

"But I began to speculate on how much of the Hillary hatred at least (Trump was very unpopular as reflected in polling data from the get-go) was driven by the press coverage, how many Americans were effectively brainwashed into hating Hillary or felt peer pressure to join the anti-Hillary chorus because the media kept telling us how awful she was, and we didnít want to be outliers to the hate brigade.

And while there is no definitive way to measure the impact of press coverage on public opinion, I think a fairly powerful case can be made that the media narrative created the media narrative Ė yet another case of political post-modernism."


https://billmoyers.com/story/last-night-3/


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Response to FM123 (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:00 PM

9. ah

I remember being annoyed, then pissed as hell by it all - but I also feel guilty. I had a very serious illness that summer, a week in ICU, 10 days of rehab - took months to recover. I lost my beloved dog because of it, broke my f'ing heart deeply ... but then had a great distraction, too (Cavs! Ring Night with the Tribe starting game 1 in the World Series right next door!)... so maybe I didn't give all that email bullsh*t the seriousness I should have. Watching the beginning of his successful lying with no fact-checking from a hospital bed didn't lock me in to the real danger. I never believed that so many people would vote for that shallow imbecilic corrupt traitorous narcissistic xenophobic homophobic racist sociopath. I was wrong.

For that, I do apologize. Didn't realize he could get away with so much evil that even impeachment didn't work. That's why I hate him so completely now.

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Response to Chili (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:23 PM

13. Oh my goodness, you sure went through a lot!

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Response to FM123 (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:26 PM

14. oh thank you!

That illness... it's why I'm so high-risk now. If I catch COVID, I'm kinda done.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:42 PM

6. yup

even some people here were influenced by the anti-Hillary propaganda

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:53 PM

8. In 2008 Hillary supporters here were put on ignore lists

 

Huge ignore lists were passed around by private message, with Obama supporters identifying Hillary supporters who needed to be intimidated and put on ignore.

It was beyond ugly. I was sent the list on a different site. The person who sent it said he didn't want to take a chance on using the messaging system here. My name was on the list along with dozens of posters who I respected the most.

Same thing at DailyKos and other progressive sites. MyDD became the only major haven for Hillary supporters.

Many great posters at this site left and never returned based on treatment received in 2008, simply via supporting Hillary.

I stayed away from this site during primaries 2016 because I sensed it would be another mess. Then it was more than amusing once Hillary was nominated to see many of the same names who had viciously attacked her in 2008 suddenly singing praises.

Hillary was my all-time favorite Democratic nominee. But it should have happened in 2008. That was my argument at the time, that you had to grasp the situational aspect and run the female in the favorable national cycle. Hillary would have won in 2008, given Bush approval so low for 3.5 years since Katrina. During that first term she would have received huge credit for rescuing the economy. She would have won again in 2012. Then that sets the state for basically unblemished Obama in 2016.

Such a waste. I despise it when everyone gets stuck in here-and-now tunnel vision instead of big picture grasp of situational variance from cycle to cycle.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:12 PM

11. I vaguely remember stopping in a few times in 2008

... and saw the fighting. Didn't want to pipe in because I was actually torn in the primaries, at first. I knew Obama would be our first black president, knew it without a doubt, admired the hell out of him and Michelle, but didn't think he was quite ready. Thought Hillary was ready, but I was split between the two of them. It was that SC primary that did it for me, but I never got angry with her. And she made a successful Sec of State. And Prez O? Yeah. He was ready!

I'm sorry so many people left because of it. I'm not one of them; I had already been absent for a few years struggling with personal stress.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:34 PM

15. oh I remember

my one ding against Hillary was a big one - her IWR vote, but at least it was REAL....I could not believe the crap that people believed about her, it was sickening

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:11 PM

10. Hide thread. I really do not need to be cursed out in such a comprehensive broad-brush manner...

...after sticking it out through DUís craziness, after supporting Hillary, and after watching a whole lot of her detractors go elsewhere.

Rephrase. You know you can.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:18 PM

12. Who is "you all?"

Are you attacking DU? Democrats in general? Some amorphous "they?"

Who is the subject of your ire?

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:34 PM

16. Colin Kaepernick

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:40 PM

17. What did he say?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #17)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:05 AM

19. No difference between her and Trump.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 02:38 AM

20. Thanks, thought he said something new. He fell for the propaganda aimed at young voters.

Especially young black voters.

"Their parents -- particularly their mothers -- were virtually solid in their support for Clinton, and that wasn't the result of her racial 'pandering' (as Trump later suggested) but rather Hillary's quiet, steady work, over decades, on issues of 'kitchen-table' importance to black families and the relationship she built with black leaders. That history was either unknown to or ignored by many Sanders supporters. Clinton, 'has to be willing to get out of what's comfortable and get on the streets,' said one, obviously ignorant of the fact that at the age of twenty-four, Hillary had been a civil rights activist who went undercover to investigate discrimination in public schools. Hillary was also the first candidate to pay attention to the Flint, Michigan water crisis, joining forces with Flint's mayor long before Bernie showed up in town. But like Clinton's work on LGBTQ issues, decades old rather than campaign inspired, none of this made it into flashy stories headlining her lifelong commitment to racial, gender, and sexual justice.

"She also apologized profusely for using the 'super-predator' label, even though in her speech it was not aimed at African American youth but the dealers who exploited them. ... But for too many millennials, both black and white, '1994 Crime Bill' and 'super-predator' said all one needed to know about Clinton. Some spoke as though she was personally responsible for the spike in mass incarceration that was a consequence of her husband's bill."

Susan Bordo, "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton"

Such as shame. All anyone had to do was Google to find out Clinton was talking about drug dealers, as Bernie was when he called them sociopaths in his speech in support of the 1994 Crime Bill. And Google about the crime bill, that it had bad things in it because it was bipartisan, but also good things like an assault weapons ban. As Representative James Clyburn explains:

"We operated on the theory that we were not going to lose in '94. We put stuff in there that we thought we would build on. But we lost in 1994, and all the punitive stuff, the Republicans kept all that and got rid of some of the good stuff. ... We went left in this country in the 1994 bill when we put in the assault weapons ban. But when it came time for renewal, we didn't have the votes."

Same thing that happened with the ACA. Something to build on but Republicans took over the House and that was that. Once again, Democrats blamed for what Republicans do.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2020, 11:48 PM

18. What a trash and dash POS post.

I canít believe DUers are responding to this post as if it had any context or meaning.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:49 AM

22. Bingo.

But oh the drama.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:09 AM

21. Too many people fell for the cartoon villain propaganda version of a person who spent her

life fighting for progressive legislature to help people, in particular women and children. Which was erased. Fucking morons. All you had to do was Google it instead of mindlessly believe crap on the Internet or what you heard from both-sides idiots who blamed Democrats for what Republicans do.

Concession speech from the supposed evil-corrupt-warmonger-Wall Street-wealthy donors-emails-establishment-blah-blah-blah bullshit cartoon of a progressive:

"And to the young people in particular, I hope you will hear this. I have spent my entire adult life fighting for what I believe in. I've had successes and setbacks. ... I know we have still not shattered that highest and hardest glass ceiling, but someday someone will, and hopefully sooner than we might think right now."

The most honest candidate of all candidates in the 2016 election. The U.S. is a conspiracy theory Idiocracy.

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