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niyad

(113,263 posts)
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:21 PM Sep 2020

Question about Dr. Mary Trump. She is a licensed clinical psychologist, and yet, unlike with idiot

and charlatan phil mcgraw, NOBODY (including Rachel, which blew me away) addresses her, or refers to her, that way. Her title is not even on her book. Now, unless she specifically requested that the earned honorific be left off, and not used in interviews or reviews, it appears to me to be a not-so-subtle denigration.

Can someone explain this, because it irritates me no end (and yes, with everything going on, might seem trivial, but misogyny continues, even in chaos).

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Question about Dr. Mary Trump. She is a licensed clinical psychologist, and yet, unlike with idiot (Original Post) niyad Sep 2020 OP
My brother has a doctorate MaryMagdaline Sep 2020 #1
Same here. My brother has a PhD from a very prestigious university, however he never uses the smirkymonkey Sep 2020 #16
Same Here ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #18
Does Rachael Maddow include the words whistler162 Sep 2020 #2
I've heard her referred to as "Dr. Trump," but she doesn't practice now & has made clear she is NOT hlthe2b Sep 2020 #3
Seeing as Doctor is not part of her name on her book.... Spazito Sep 2020 #4
PhD is, though. AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #19
I don't think her bona fides have been in question... Spazito Sep 2020 #20
The same reason it's Kamala and Biden. Phoenix61 Sep 2020 #5
Rachel Maddow also has a doctorate, and she doesn't refer to herself as such. nt Baltimike Sep 2020 #6
I believe it's by her personal choice FakeNoose Sep 2020 #7
I worked for Thomas Schelling at Harvard in the 80's, Croney Sep 2020 #8
She holds more credibility as a family member/witness. nolabear Sep 2020 #9
Not really. Aside from her not presently practicing, the Goldwater Rule prohibits licensed... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #10
Thank you for the Goldwater rule. Notice it did not stop cat killer frist. niyad Sep 2020 #12
It doesn't stop a lot of people, unfortunately. TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #21
According to Miss Manners, people should not introduce themselves as spooky3 Sep 2020 #11
I don't, unless it is pukes, in which case the omission is intentional. niyad Sep 2020 #13
Some seem to be missing the question. Is it her choice, or the usual misogyny? niyad Sep 2020 #14
I would say it's her choice, especially as Dr Maddow would not disrespect a woman... Hekate Sep 2020 #17
I know that about her, which is why I was so surprised at "Ms. Trump". niyad Sep 2020 #22
Maybe legal concerns. moondust Sep 2020 #15
Thank you. niyad Sep 2020 #23
It is on her book obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #24
It is on her book blurb, but not as her title. Posters here have given me very helpfiul information. niyad Sep 2020 #25

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
1. My brother has a doctorate
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:23 PM
Sep 2020

No one refers to him as Dr C outside of the college where he teaches. Since she doesn’t practice, maybe she doesn’t use the title

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
16. Same here. My brother has a PhD from a very prestigious university, however he never uses the
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 01:57 PM
Sep 2020

title. He has a corporate job where he is just listed by his name and position.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
18. Same Here
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 02:05 PM
Sep 2020

If I put all the letters that could be after my name, I would have needed a bigger business card!
And nobody, ever(!) has even been allowed to call me "doctor".
Even at guest lectures, " mister" was fine by me.
It strikes me as pretentious, even though many PhDs have an equal education to physicians
Maybe that's why some use the did thing.
Just not for me.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
2. Does Rachael Maddow include the words
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:24 PM
Sep 2020

Doctor since she has a doctorate in PoliSci? It comes down to how the person wants to be addressed.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
3. I've heard her referred to as "Dr. Trump," but she doesn't practice now & has made clear she is NOT
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:25 PM
Sep 2020

trying to offer a professional analysis of him, so that, i think is why it is not emphasized.

Spazito

(50,299 posts)
4. Seeing as Doctor is not part of her name on her book....
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:27 PM
Sep 2020

and the author determines how their name will read on the cover, I would be reluctant to say misogyny is at play here in every instance. She may have stated a preference to be identified simply as Mary Trump rather than Doctor Mary Trump because her book is not primarily focused on her expertise as a clinical psychologist, it is about her experience as a member of the trump family and especially focused on her uncle, the squatter in chief.

Spazito

(50,299 posts)
20. I don't think her bona fides have been in question...
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 03:06 PM
Sep 2020

only a question on why no one is using Dr. Mary Trump or, as you posit, Mary Trump, PH.D as opposed to simply Mary Trump.

I didn't know that she also has Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in English Literature from Tufts University and Columbia University.

Very impressive bona fides for sure.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
5. The same reason it's Kamala and Biden.
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:28 PM
Sep 2020

It is, as you said, misogyny. A male PhD wouldn’t have to ask to be called Doctor. As far as the book title goes, she wrote it from the perspective of his niece not as a psychologist.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
7. I believe it's by her personal choice
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:35 PM
Sep 2020

It's a title of respect to call someone "Doctor" however each person decides whether they want to go by that title. Lots of people choose not to use the title, even though they have earned it.

Someone just pointed out that Rachel Maddow is a perfect example.




Croney

(4,657 posts)
8. I worked for Thomas Schelling at Harvard in the 80's,
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:38 PM
Sep 2020

and he said that if all the groveling students calling him Professor Schelling and Dr. Schelling really knew how to suck up, they would call him the ultimate title of respect, which was Mr. Schelling.

But maybe that was just him.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
9. She holds more credibility as a family member/witness.
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:40 PM
Sep 2020

I’m sure she chose to have her long-standing familial connection be the major factor when people read the book. Her clinical expertise is lagniappe and gives her great language to use, but I think her choice to be the niece and inside source is a smart one.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
10. Not really. Aside from her not presently practicing, the Goldwater Rule prohibits licensed...
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:46 PM
Sep 2020

mental health pros from diagnosing public figures they haven't personally examined.

Mentioning her (prior) profession on her book, or while being interviewed or talked about would at least imply that she is talking from a professional perspective.

McGraw actually does have his psychology doctorate, but gave up his license when he discovered it's far more profitable to spread bullshit when he doesn't have to worry about such things.

And, btw, I'm not sure how it happened, but only MDs seem to be able to get way with the the Doctor honorific. PhDs don't get no respect.

spooky3

(34,439 posts)
11. According to Miss Manners, people should not introduce themselves as
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 01:41 PM
Sep 2020

Dr. X. But that doesn’t mean that the rest of us should ignore the title.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
17. I would say it's her choice, especially as Dr Maddow would not disrespect a woman...
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 02:03 PM
Sep 2020

Television’s a funny medium, though. There is a lot of what my husband calls “phony leveling” there — meaning we’re all supposed to be just the same, even if we’re not.

Sometimes I get irked when a guest with a tremendous amount of expertise is reduced to their first name, as if his/her knowledge was on a level with the tv audience and the interviewer.

Rachel’s good about titles, though. Madam Secretary, Mr Vice President, Dr Fauci.

In what passes for regular life, PhDs don’t get called “doctor” much off-campus, and unless you do have a career in academia, all of life is off-campus.


moondust

(19,972 posts)
15. Maybe legal concerns.
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 01:51 PM
Sep 2020

So there is no confusion over whether her comments are intended to be a clinical diagnosis.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
24. It is on her book
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:01 PM
Sep 2020

It lists her Ph.D.

It is not common in the US to list yourself as "Dr. Mickey Mouse," but rather "Mickey Mouse, Ph.D." Most people who do tend to be a tad douchey, in my experience.

niyad

(113,263 posts)
25. It is on her book blurb, but not as her title. Posters here have given me very helpfiul information.
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:06 PM
Sep 2020
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