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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is privately expressing concerns about Joe Bidens presidential campaign, according to three people with knowledge of the conversations, urging Bidens team to intensify its focus on pocketbook issues and appeals to liberal voters.
Sanders, the runner-up to Biden in the Democratic primary, has told associates that Biden is at serious risk of coming up short in the November election if he continues his vaguer, more centrist approach, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive talks.
The senator has identified several specific changes hed like to see, saying Biden should talk more about health care and about his economic plans, and should campaign more with figures popular among young liberals, such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).
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Asked for comment, Sanderss team provided a statement from Faiz Shakir, the senators former campaign manager in the presidential race, saying that Sanders is working as hard as he can to get Biden elected but has advised some strategic adjustments.
Senator Sanders is confident that Joe Biden is in a very strong position to win this election, but nevertheless feels there are areas the campaign can continue to improve upon, Shakir said. He has been in direct contact with the Biden team and has urged them to put more emphasis on how they will raise wages, create millions of good paying jobs, lower the cost of prescription drugs and expand health care coverage.
Shakir said Sanders also thinks that a stronger outreach to young people, the Latino community and the progressive movement will be of real help to the campaign.
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Sanders led a surging liberal faction during the Democratic primaries and scored early successes in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada before ultimately falling short. His critique of Bidens approach reflects his status as a longtime stalwart of the partys left and a self-described democratic socialist.
But it is rare for such a prominent party figure to repeatedly voice private criticisms of the partys nominee and acknowledge them publicly, especially in the campaigns final stretch. Sanderss decision to do so suggests the ongoing frustration among liberals, who urgently want Biden to defeat President Trump but are upset that he has taken a relatively centrist path.
Biden is determined not to play into attacks from Trump seeking to cast him as a radical or a socialist. The nominee has distanced himself from elements in his party calling for defunding the police, implementing a single-payer health plan and banning hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. Sanders supports the latter two policies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-expresses-concerns-about-biden-campaign/2020/09/12/a0ccc4fa-f4a1-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)He may not be addressing these issues in the same manner that Sanders would, but he is addressing them.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 12, 2020, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)
mzmolly
(51,004 posts)as well.
crickets
(25,983 posts)brush
(53,862 posts)during this pandemic. And so much negative info is coming out on trump that Joe has to respond to and blast trump about, it's taking up a majority of his campaign time.
And that's a good thing. Stand back and watch when your opponent is self-destructing. Let him continue.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Amishman
(5,559 posts)Biden's commanding lead in both national polls affirms that we made the right choice in the primaries
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)If you are concerned go to Biden and talk it over with him and keep your mouth shut!
still_one
(92,396 posts)is if this is in the Washington Post
Cha
(297,655 posts)the WaPo & everyone knows it now.
Sounds like there's a leaker.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)bc Biden lost that many too. Unless you think he and not Obama ran their campaign?
For the love of god can't people just accept what Sanders says at face value instead of assigning evil motives? The man won more than a few delegates and, until Super Tuesday, was our leading candidate. He's been in Congress a long time and has a lot of supporters. Can't we give him a little credit for 1) knowing what's important to his base, and 2) trying to improve our campaign?
Y'all are acting like such sycophants, as if the slightest criticism is high treason. Give it a fucking rest already and try to learn from others. It can't hurt.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)So many things he could be doing himself to ease his concerns.
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)genxlib
(5,535 posts)Stuart G
(38,445 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)nobody is paying attention to him any more.
And as stated above, why is his council so wise, he's a two-time loser.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)for Trump
The ads would be everywhere in a flash
Turnout means nothing compared to preference. Guys like Sanders somehow have no clue about that. There is no such thing as bringing out 5% more of your supporters without a parallel national interest surge that also brings out 5% more from the other side.
Elections are decided on messaging and preference. I agree Biden needs more emphasis on health care and climate change, etc. But the last thing he needs to do is come across as more liberal. That plays well here but not among voters who decide elections. Andrew Gillum was described as too liberal for the state by 46% of Floridians. Stacy Abrams was described too liberal for the state by 41% in Georgia. Those are impossible numbers. Or should be.
Biden's opportunity for victory rises, the lower that number is.
still_one
(92,396 posts)Hero57
(39 posts)Much less a general election, AOC is not that popular around the country as people think. Sanders did worse among young people than 2016.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)because Trump convinced some Latinos that Biden is a socialist. This would seal it
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)is the logical thing to do. Right....
Cha
(297,655 posts)MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)on how to win a national election. After all, you beat him all across the nat....oh, wait. Never mind. Why on the green fucking earth do you have faiz shakir being quoted as to what the senator from Vermont thinks joe Biden should be doing? Unbelievable yet entirely predictable. Everybody needs to get in harness and pull the direction the nominee is pulling, and fast.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Duly noted. I think the Biden campaign is doing just fine. And they have emphasized raising wages (especially for child and adult caregivers), creating good paying jobs (especially through clean energy initiatives), lowering the cost of drugs, and expanding health care. And all of these plans exceed the rubric of "centrist," sometimes by a lot. Maybe Bernie hasn't been listening. I have. Right now, however, there is an intense news cycle that is being addressed. And note that he doesn't mention the big elephant in the room: racial justice.
Unwelcome analysis: this is the kind of "Only I can fix it" attitude that strikes me as a great character flaw. And a singular focus on his own base, when the entire country, with a vast range of views, needs, and opinions needs to be addressed. My advice to Biden is: don't take this advice. Keep doing what you're doing.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)Saying what they're going to do about Covid, etc.
They're already doing that, but I'd suggest stopping the immediate reaction to everything Trump says, and do the Reagan-- "There you go again."
And pivot immediately to 'Now, about the fires in California, what we need to do is...."
Sanders is of course going to mutter that the one who won is not doing it right, but he doesn't want to admit that Biden's got a better connection to voters.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)You say
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Saying what they're going to do about Covid, etc.
Then admit
Maybe you should contact the campaign, since you know so much more than it apparently does.
Spazito
(50,453 posts)because Democrats didn't want his agenda at all. He has not gotten any major legislation passed in the 13 years he's been in the Senate.
He doesn't get to slag the successful candidate, Biden, because he didn't get his way, his agenda.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Spazito
(50,453 posts)and his inability to get any major legislation through the Senate in the 13 years he's been there. The best way to push some of his ideas is not to alienate almost everyone he needs to help him succeed, that has been and continues to be one of his biggest failures, imo.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)$15/hour wage, Medicare 4 all, real climate action, the disaster of income inequality etc.
And if you mean "majority" of Democrats then say that instead of minimizing those of us who found/find his message attractive and whose votes Biden will need in November.
Progressive Dems like me, AOC, Bernie, and a fair few other Ds here on this board aren't going away.
Spazito
(50,453 posts)and to infer otherwise is a big mistake some make, sadly.
When I read this, "and whose votes Biden will need in November.", it comes across almost like a threat to not vote for Biden/Harris unless everyone caters to your and a few others' whims. I am sure you didn't mean to leave that impression but it does read that way to me.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)sit on the porch of his lake house.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Theyre not going away either.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)But We need to support the ticket period. And if Sanders can't manage that, he should not speak unless he wants to help Trump which I do not believe is the case.
Remember when so many were telling HRC to go home and knit something?
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)The policies he advocates make sense. There is no reason that the citizens of the richest country in the world should be living in third world conditions. Do something. Get out of that damn false 'centrist' mindset and commence changing things for the better.
Which is to say, of course, that I totally agree with you.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Do we really want to act like sycophants? It doesn't reflect well on the open-minded, big-tent party.
jorgevlorgan
(8,329 posts)But Biden doesn't have to change his policy proposals in order to win, he just has to emphasize them in order to show how incredibly superior to Trump they are.
mcar
(42,372 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Thats what.
mcar
(42,372 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,329 posts)Talking about nonesense let a you free to be painted by your opponents. Talking about policy is also how the opposition finally beat berlusconi in Italy.
mcar
(42,372 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,329 posts)Authoritarians have been ousted democratically is nonsense?
mcar
(42,372 posts)Can you answer the question I asked?
I think Biden is fine.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)and relevance is in doubt, there must be a desperate need to reclaim the spotlight.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)betsuni
(25,618 posts)What in the hell are they talking about? In Sanders Speak liberals are Democrats (both sides) and "progressives" are the only true Leftists. What's "centrist" about Biden's policies?
gristy
(10,667 posts)His campaign no doubt hears him, and I have no doubt they will consider the points made.
Cha
(297,655 posts)is he doing to help with that?
tavernier
(12,401 posts)Oh wait, we didnt! Wonder if anyone has told him yet?
Oh Bernie, I think there are kids walking on your lawn. Go and advise Them.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)against the eventual winner who was broke and not even running in several states he won on Super Tuesday...why in the world are they going to be more motivated because Biden does a couple of events with AOC??
The AOC cohort is never going to be enthusiastic about Biden. They just aren't. Certainly some and one hopes most of them will come out to defeat Trump, but I just don't see how doing a couple of events with AOC is going to magically enthuse them when Bernie himself wasn't enough.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)peggysue2
(10,839 posts)So, perhaps Bernie's electoral prognostications should be considered 'questionable' at best.
As far as not running a more progressive campaign, Biden is trying to reach the broadest electorate possible. Many of the policies Biden has proposed are, in fact, progressive. Maybe not to the degree the Senator from Vermont would like but Biden is the nominee not Sanders. It's important to remember Trump would love Biden to make a sharp U-turn left because painting him as a wild-eyed socialist would be so much easier and more effective.
From everything I've read, Biden/Harris are reaching out to Hispanic communities. We can argue over whether this should have started earlier but the outreach is going on. As for young voters? I have not seen any shift from Dem to Republican in the polls. The question is how many young voters will actually come out? Their track record is not exactly stellar. But 2020 is about their future, more than us oldsters: climate change, environmental factors, racial justice, reinventing police departments, gun control, economic equality, a woman's right to choose, etc., etc., etc.
If the threat of another disastrous Squatter-in-Chief term isn't enough to motivate voters, nothing will. Because this is all about the country's future, as in, will we have one?
Cha
(297,655 posts)all too well.
We have to BEAT trump FIRST.. & he should know that.
JI7
(89,264 posts)in the 2018 election results.
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Baclava
(12,047 posts)we can do it
(12,194 posts)Takket
(21,625 posts)is never going to be. If its Bernie or bust and they are going to sit there holding their breath until they turn blue, they aren't worth wasting any time on.
roman88
(52 posts)It's not like he's sabotaging Biden or Harris. My God people need to stop acting like he's some pariah. -_-
Cha
(297,655 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Just saying.
mcar
(42,372 posts)not saying "privately" in the WaPo that Biden needs to do everything the person he beat tells him to do.
Bernie lost. Period. If he wants to offer suggestions (not advice) to Joe, he should actually do it privately. Not this passive-aggressive leaking to the media crap.
It sure seems like someone in his campaign is trying to sabotage Biden/Harris. My god, wake up.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,421 posts)is that it is easier to ignore without feeling any guilt or regrets doing so.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,634 posts)Up until today I thought he'd done a good job in getting behind the ticket this time around and unifying his supporters to support the Biden/Harris ticket. I thought he'd learned from the mistakes he made 4 years ago. This accidentally/on purpose leak to the Washington Post isn't helpful at all and I say this as a 2016 Bernie supporter. This election is literally about life and death. We don't have time for this nonsense.
grobertj
(187 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)Spreading negativity again.
AGAIN!!!
You SURE you wanna go there, Senator?
You SURE its helpful to give anybody still on the fence cover for not voting Biden?
You SURE its a good idea to start complaining and fault-finding?
Accentuate the negative - AGAIN???
Criminy!!! I never saw or heard anyone so determined to be the skunk at the picnic! You secretly working to hurt Biden cuz it wasnt you getting the nomination, dude? Still nursing a grudge or something? Since the polls are looking good, NOWs the time you feel compelled to start picking Biden apart?
Come ON, Bernie! Now is when we need EVERYBODY ON BOARD!!! Now is when we need to be A UNITED FRONT!!!
Now is NOT the time to sow disappointment or disunity, dammit! Whose side are you on, really?
When its said that Democrats are good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, its this kind of shit that helps drive that impression.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Seriously, jeeze! Bernie needs to get on board or keep his mouth shut.
calimary
(81,466 posts)because it wasnt painted his favorite color.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Its that level of concern. SO CONCERNED.
Thank you for your input, Senator.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)I don't know if they are actually gettable voters, but if possible Biden should do some outreach or we could face another 2016. Putting our heads in the sand is not the solution.
ETA: I see a lot of hostility toward any possibility this election may not be in the bag. That kind of response is not helpful. The goal is to actually win in November, not feel good about the election now. The self-described left still angry over yet another primary defeat are a problem. They could very well throw the election to Trump as they helped do in 2016. Pretending Sanders is a troll for voicing that concern is wrong. Anyone who remembers me from 2016 knows that I despise Bernie, but he has a point here--something I've seen expressed by far too many voters.
The goal of Democratic organizing is not to make people feel good about a potential election win but to encourage you to make that win happen: volunteer, phone bank. https://joebiden.com/call/ That's what it takes to win this election.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Yup.
"Anyone who remembers me from 2016 knows that I despise Bernie, but he has a point here--something I've seen expressed by far too many voters."
Double yup.
The vitriol towards Bernie and his supporters isn't helpful. We don't have this election in the bag. We must win overwhelmingly and there's certainly a couple things Biden/Harris can say and do that would reach this group without alienating other Dems or Independents.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Bernie reaps what he fucking sows. And so do his supporters.
I cant stand him because he acts like he despises my party. He certainly disparages it enough.
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)"Sanders privately expressed?" Is he trying to gin up his supporters to not vote?
I haven't seen him on the campaign trail, have you?
bluestarone
(17,030 posts)Nothing like self destructing again! RUMP and putin are enjoying THIS!
BGBD
(3,282 posts)can shit the fuck up.
He wouldn't know how to win a presidential campaign in the first place.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Someone is not getting enough attention, it seems.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Ridiculous.
kcr
(15,320 posts)LeftInTX
(25,555 posts)security, Medicare, or health insurance.
I saw a lot of memorials for people who died of Covid 19, which was depressing. Then, there was a whole lot of climate change stuff. There was too much time spent on immigration. Then there was Billie Eilish and her green hair. This stuff droned on. It could have been condensed and they could have covered more issues.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Democrats. You think people who actually care about these issues need to tune into a convention to know where people stand on issues ?
This is just excuses. If Sanders is concerned HE would be the one getting out there and saying Biden is the one to vote for if you support these issues. Instead he is concern trolling. Considering how badly he lost it's not like he has some success in these areas to give advice .
LeftInTX
(25,555 posts)They did not hear one peep about how Trump was trying to dismantle: Social Security, Medicare, and the ACA
The convention is not for the "base", it's for undecided voters.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Iggo
(47,565 posts)still_one
(92,396 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)I can't get to the entire article, but so Bernie has concerns. Big deal. "Political figure seeks to influence campaign" isn't exactly a man-bites-dog story.
I agree that a strong outreach "to young people, the Latino community and the progressive movement" would really help the campaign. Maybe the campaign will listen to that advice, and maybe they won't. Either way, like Bernie, I'll do all I can to ensure that Biden wins and we vote Trump out in November.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)betsuni
(25,618 posts)economy far more than anything else. As the Atlantic put it in a piece titled, 'The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class,' I ran on the 'most comprehensively progressive economic platform of any presidential candidate in history' and talked more about jobs in my convention speech than Trump did in his, as well in our first debate, which was watched by eighty-four million people."
Hillary Clinton, "What Happened"
The most frequent word used in Clinton's speeches was "jobs." This is common knowledge.
So, no. Her campaign and career had always been on kitchen-table and pocketbook issues.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thanks for the detailed info. (Did you notice the sound of crickets?)
DTomlinson
(411 posts)betsuni
(25,618 posts)DTomlinson
(411 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)I'm an Obama/Clinton Dem and no fan of the Bernie wing (especially on Twitter, many of them are rabid Dem haters) but Bernie himself is fully behind his friend Joe Biden in this thing and his advice is sound.
Biden is running a campaign that is in many ways similar to Hillary's: looking at good poll numbers (which could be wrong, just like last time) while ignoring the lack of enthusiasm amongst key demographic groups. This neglect could spell doom in swing states where every vote counts.
Younger voters especially PoC youth feel alienated and upset about many issues; Latino voters are not 'automatic Dem votes' and need to be messaged to properly; male voters are an issue and we can't continue to lose them as even male PoC voters seem to be drifting away. Our convention was overly touchy feely (as someone mentioned above) and this may work to get soccer moms but fails with alot of other demographics who are looking for harder answers to kitchen table issues.
The big mistake Dems are making is letting Trump beat them on the economy. A great Dem once said 'it's the economy stupid' and that is what it boils down to in moving alot of these voters into our column. Biden has to do a better job of connecting Trump's chaos and covid mismanagement to the failure of the economy for regular people. Because Trump is good at tricking people into the idea that he's some great businessman and that 'the stock market = the economy = everyone doing good'. More people than you would think buy that bullshit and Dems need to refute that narrative.
We keep hearing from Dems that 'Trump downplayed the virus' but we don't hear why he lied. He lied to prop up the stock market which he viewed as key to his reelection, pumped money (via the Fed) to these companies, at the same time forcing regular people into the pandemic to die for the 1 percent. That is the message we need to be pounding, that Trump=death and darkness and Biden is 'an ally of the light' who offers a bright future (and bulletpoint the policies which will lead people there).
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Dont spread that garbage here. If you want to talk about just like last time, you better be ready to have a conversation about treason,
The poll numbers werent wrong. Trump did NOT win shit.
And the convention was overly touchy-feely my ass. I guess some folks just dont recognize basic decency anymore.
Sanders sounds bitter and vindictive. We dont need his brand of divisiveness this time around. Either get fully on board or get the fuck out of the way already.
radius777
(3,635 posts)The poll models underestimated turnout of 'white non-college' voters (the white working class and rural whites) and overestimated turnout of urban PoC, which is why they were off by several points. Hillary didn't campaign in those states because both public and private polls said she was way ahead, and Comey's actions 11 days before the election sealed the deal (by shifting the undecideds heavily to Trump).
Alot of people on Twitter and Youtube noted that our convention was too touchy feely, and some of the musical performances were mocked by young people (especially the 'For What it's Worth' performance). Like it or not, some people are moved by 'fire and brimstone' and want to see some level of toughness and straight talk about policies.
I've never liked Sanders and thought he was vindictive in 2016. But I think this time he is operating in good faith and is just telling us what he is seeing amongst the demographics he handily won. Nevada concerns me as there have been several reports that Biden is underperforming with Latinos and youth as he did in the primaries. Bernie crushed in Nevada and we need his help, also with other swing states that could be decided by Latinos (especially young Latinos).
TLDR; we need to ignore the national polls and pay attention to state level and demographic trends, which are showing some weaknesses with certain groups, as we don't want to be 'surprised' and lose states we think we're going to win.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)All this gobblygook about wrong polls is silly. Hillary won by millions of votes.
IT. WAS. TREASON.
Twitter an youtube are overrun by Russians and trolls. Why do I care what they say?
Pay attention indeed.
This is the same kind of horse s#*t Michael Moore pumps out every election cycle. Cryptic warnings about the need to do this or that. And why not there is no downside. If Biden wins everyone will be so happy that all the comments like this will be completely forgotten in the nationwide celebration. But if he loses then people like Bernie and Moore can at least take a consolation prize tour of the political talk shows being heralded because their prophetic warnings went unheeded.
Screw that noise. If you are concerned then get off your ass and do something. How about touring the country trying to get younger people to turn out and vote? Since they supposedly love Bernie so much then lets see him get out there and weave a little youth turn out magic. But don't hold your breath. Because first of all they didn't even turn out for him in the primary. As I recall he even got steam rolled by Biden in counties that had huge college universities. And second if any of them took up the mantle of trying to deliver any such aspect of the electorate and it didn't pan out then they could be opening themselves up to blame. "OH MY". No, can't have that. Better to sit on the sidelines and lob cryptic warnings.
still_one
(92,396 posts)isnt with Biden and Harris, but with them
betsuni
(25,618 posts)who don't vote or vote for Republicans because they carefully study Democratic policies and find them not progressive enough.
It's absurd.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Considering these groups didn't come out to vote for Sanders if he was honest he would say something like "I had indications of high support which did not show up during election day so don't get over confident with good news before election day" "Make sure this support turns out on election day".
But he is never critical of his own actions so that's not going to happen. Instead it's the same lecture without looking at how he himself was not able to do what he is demanding of others.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Vermont couldn't do a Medicare for All plan, it failed. The Fight for Fifteen minimum wage movement happened long before Bernie appropriated it. He keeps claiming usual Democratic issues as his, and that Democrats thought they were radical. Absurd.
DFW
(54,437 posts)Would he be reaching out to Biden for advice on how to improve his campaign? Would he be interested in advice on not promising far more than he can ever deliver, and thus set up his own one-term presidency?
I think it is exceptionally wise for resisting the temptation to tell their own constituency that they will make everything available in abundance, and affordably so, within six weeks of taking office. With the disastrous policies of Trump/Mnuchin/McTurtle, it will take MANY years--if ever--before we can ever get back to some kind of fiscal solvency. I have always said it takes but a few seconds to blow up a building. It takes years to rebuild it. I applaud the Biden/Harris campaign for their reluctance to lie about what they can accomplish, and hope they resist efforts to convince them to abandon the strategies that got them the nomination in the first place.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)This is wise.
It is fine to have goals to strive for. Even Martin Luther King knew: "I may not get there with you."
But to promise ridiculously unrealistic accomplishments only sets you up for angry voters next time. Trump may still get the votes of some coal miners, and some rust belt factory workers who now have no jobs, but I'll bet far fewer than last time.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)That was weird. Then they almost immediately turned against him because of their fantasies.
DFW
(54,437 posts)It seems to be a major difference in large blocs of voters: some Democrats get pissed if their elected candidates don't turn life into paradise with a week of being sworn in, where most Republicans think their politicians are heroes, even if their life turns to shit within a year of THEIR elected candidates taking office.
What was that old saying? Republicans shout that government doesn't work, and then they get into office and prove it.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)should be disregarded.
Hotler
(11,445 posts)Politicalgolfer
(317 posts).....if you catch my drift
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)We need to beat Trump. Sanders is not helpful. He is now permanently dead to me. I will trash any OP's that contain his name. I expected that he would be more into beating Trump and helping our efforts. Clearly, Sanders isn't doing this. Fine, I for one have no interest in any comments he makes at this time or ever really.
DTomlinson
(411 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)Now I'm even more worried than I was. I hope Biden's team listens but I don't hold much hope, sadly.