I again ask that those who post David Packman clips please LABEL them. IMHO, the meager

[Atticus]

info they contain is never worth having to endure the manner of presentation.

I ALWAYS feel "Rick-Rolled" when I click on one of those and I ALWAYS click off in disgust.

[hlthe2b]

1. TYT clips too. Cenk is no friend to us.

[Baltimike]

31. This all day long. nt

[BeyondGeography]

2. Fully agree

Who on earth wants eight minutes of Packman in return for 90 seconds or so of video?

[TheRickles]

22. It's pretty easy to scroll through his talking and get to the meat of the video. n/t

[MrsCoffee]

33. But not worth it at all.

[BeyondGeography]

39. Nine times out of ten it's video you've already seen elsewhere

The thread titles under someone not named David Packman are clickbait; if you knew it was him most people wouldn’t bother.

[lillypaddle]

3. Agree 100% nt

[FreepFryer]

4. Agreed, and can we include former Russia Today fanboy Thom Hartmann in that bunch?

Between him and Chris Hedges this place entertains a lot of agitprop.

[Maraya1969]

5. I so agree. So many Youtube videos are like that now. I can't stand them. I always fast

forward past the talking head.

[Sympthsical]

35. It's because of how monetization works

A lot of content creators on YouTube are more rewarded if they can streeeeeeetch things out to ten minutes or more. It creates for so much fluff and talking around the point. (Don't forget to like and subscribe!)

I have a lot of different creators on a lot of different subjects in my subscriptions, but as soon as they start falling into the talk around trap, I unsubscribe. It's a shame. If it takes you six minutes to say your piece, take six minutes, man. I have things to do, too.

[Maraya1969]

56. I've actually commented on a few that take too long. Now that I know they do it for money I'm

going to comment more; even if I barely watch the video because I have skipped though most of it.

[Maraya1969]

6. Do they get paid more for making longer videos? Sometimes I think so.

[Tones2345]

16. Yes...

YouTubers make their videos a minimum of 10 minutes to get an additional ad break in the middle of the video.

[Botany]

7. Egg Zac lee

30 seconds of a clip that is mentioned in the post vs 10 minutes of Packman?

[Fla Dem]

34. So you move to the clip and bypass all the hot air. Easy-peasy

I do it with all these youtube pundits if they have a clip I want to see.

[kentuck]

8. :-) I thought I was the only one.

[Polly Hennessey]

25. I thought I was the only one, too.

As soon as Packman appears, I leave. The man talks endlessly.

[tblue37]

9. + a brazillion! nt

[RandiFan1290]

10. I know many here prefer Joe Scarborough

but posters are free to post what they want as long as they don't break the TOS.

[Atticus]

11. Of course people are "free to post what they want". I simply think it would be considerate

to let us know that an OP is just a conduit to a kernel of relevance following a Packman website promo and several minutes of "ain't I cool" commentary.

[RandiFan1290]

13. Every post I click is a link to a tweet

There is nothing I can do about it except move on.

[Atticus]

14. You clicked on this one. Where's the "link to a tweet"? nt

[Pobeka]

26. I'll cut @RandiFan1290 a little slack on "every". Seems like 95 out of 100 are tweet links now.

In particular I won't click on a Trump tweet link, I refuse to up that egomaniac's click count. I wish posters would either give us an image of the tweet or cut 'n paste the text in the OP.

[Sympthsical]

37. I'm not a fan of the tweet posts

So many posts are just copies and pastes of a random Twitter account. Half the time, it's just a sentence or two. I don't get why that requires an entire post unto itself. There's usually very little content in it. Feels like people are just running up post counts or something. I read things on Reddit I like all the time. I wouldn't drag every post I like from there over here.

I don't get why it's a thing. But, like you, I just skip immediately.

[PatSeg]

12. I agree

I don't need that much commentary when the actual clip is pretty self-explanatory. Packman's comments add nothing of significance. I get more than enough commentary from MSNBC.

[kentuck]

15. I drag the cursor past Pakman to the clip and then skip the rest.

But it is a minor nuisance.

[PatSeg]

18. Yes it is a minor nuisance

but like Atticus said, I often feel "Rick-rolled".

[flamin lib]

17. Just as bad as the '50 classic photos' or 'you won't believe #5' click bait. nt

[MindHowYouGo]

19. Agree! Please Label nt

[Ellipsis]

20. Thank you for saying that. n/t

[tavernier]

21. Hmm. Never heard of him.

Guess I didn’t miss anything.

[Owl]

23. Yes please!

[George II]

24. I've asked that in the past, too. A 10 minute video contains about 30 seconds of substance...

And one has to watch several minutes to get to the point of the subject line.

I now recognize them before I click on them, and simply don't.

[NNadir]

27. I have no idea who David Packman is.

[DFW]

29. I've never heard of him, either

Although if he's at all similar to TYT, that's enough of a turn-off for me.

[IronLionZion]

46. The David Pakman Show, a nationally syndicated progressive talk show on TV and radio.

https://www.youtube.com/c/thedavidpakmanshow/about

OP just wants the video clips to be labeled as such. I'm wary of clickbait Youtube videos that try to hide what they are. So a DUer would think a video is going to show something, or maybe a news clip or whatever, but it turns out to be David Pakman talking about it. It's similar for Egberto Willies and other liberal talk show clips.

[NNadir]

48. Well, I'm generally disinterested in these. If I open a post up because of "click bait..."

...I just hit the "back" key. It only takes a second

There are a lot of self declared internet "liberal" "pundits" with whom I disagree, notably that Cenk person.

Here and there, I'll watch one who appears to be amusing and witty, but in general, no, we have the "back" key to simply address our tastes and views.

[irisblue]

53. Egberto Willies does get to the point quicker then Packman

[betsuni]

28. Ugh. He's terrible.

[Tribalceltic]

30. I'll agree with this

The substantive portion is almost always available elsewhere. I don't think it's to much to ask to label posts like this.

[pazzyanne]

32. I also have an issue with watching David Packman videos.

Referring to this as "Rick-rolled" is appropos.

[packman]

36. Agree 100% -

[jpak]

38. Yup

Stop

TY

[keithbvadu2]

40. Filling the time.

Homer on a 'per minute' call.

Then he calls a flat rate advice line and the voice speaks like lightning/click.

[WheelWalker]

41. I could not agree with you more, comrade. Disgust, indeed.

[Thekaspervote]

42. Thank you!! I never bother with him either

[NurseJackie]

43. Yes please! Yes, yes, yes. Packman, TYT, Alberto... all clickbait. All a waste of time.

The bait looks interesting (ie: something outrageous a public official said) and in the 10-minute video, it's a full 7 minutes of Packman droning on and on and on (so many words to say so little) and a 30-second clip of whatever it was he was talking about... and a two minute ad for the sponsor.

It's total SPAM.

Alberto's thumbnails make it look as though it's a genuine MSNBC or CNN clip... but when you click on it, it's not what was shown. Instead it's the Alberto show with more talk-talk-talk and perhaps 15-seconds of CNN or MSNBC's content... then more talk-talk-talk.

ABSOLUTELY, it's clickbait. It's cheap and it's deceptive and it's dishonest.

These youtube businesses know what they're doing. They PURPOSELY CHOOSE THE DECEPTIVE THUMBNAIL IMAGE to make it appear as though the content is actually from CNN or MNSBC or CSPAN. But as soon as you click, you get Rick-Rolled.

Gotcha again!

[usaf-vet]

50. AGREED!

[scarletwoman]

44. Thank you! "Rick-Rolled" is exactly how I feel too, when I discover I've clicked on a Packman video.

[Cozmo]

45. Here's how you can tell if it's a David Packman video

You can usually see the initials TDPS within the icon

[NurseJackie]

57. Not in the small thumbnails that appear on the home page.

Alberto Willis does the same thing. Deceptive click-bait thumbnails... but the video shown is NOT what it appears to be.

Obviously they get paid (and ranked higher) for every click... whether it's deceptive or not. Then Youtube takes that data and their AI uses the number of clicks to determine that they should recommend it to others.

People who use deceptive thumbnails are tricking the viewers and they are deceiving Youtube.

It's a total scam.

[Pepsidog]

47. I enjoy his clips, but then again what is"Rick-Rolled".

[The Magistrate]

55. When a Link Turns Out To Be 'Rick Astley singing Never Gonna Give You Up'

It was a fad here some years back....

[NurseJackie]

58. Here's a detailed description. You'll never believe what you see!

[TheFarseer]

49. I'm curious

Who are good DUers supposed to listen to for news commentary? I ask because most people will crap on whoever anyone mentions.

[aidbo]

62. Joe Scarborough, lol

[FDRman]

51. Pundits

Apparently, all left leaning pundits are bad. Wonder how many posts are from Russian bots.

[Illumination]

52. Recently stopped watching David Pakman videos. I'M DONE with him. So many others that are far

far more superior to his!...

[liberalla]

54. Thank you! I couldn't agree with you more! He is so annoying and drags out whatever information

he's got and is trying to 'report'. I always regret the time spent waiting for him to get to the point. I exit the clip/post immediately.

[NurseJackie]

59. I'll click the link that takes me directly to the Youtube channel and VOTE IT DOWN!

And if the thumbnail image is particularly deceptive (ie: looking like a genuine MSNBC or CNN or CSPAN clip) then I'll also report it to youtube as being a deceptive clickbait video.

[Stainless]

60. This post is promoting ignorance and bullshit about Free Speech TV.......

FStv is the best unbiased news source in America IMHO.

[Atticus]

61. Bless your heart. nt

[COLGATE4]

63. Agree 100%. nt

[trof]

64. ABSOLUTELY! THANK YOU!

[BadGimp]

65. One man's' trash is another man's' treasure.

I REFUSE to Label whatever is it that you feel needs to be Labeled, no matter how you insist it is Labeled.

[Atticus]

66. Aren't you special. nt